Whining about the PI
I'll give Beaver fans credit, most seem to have moved beyond blaming the refs for their loss Thursday. However, there seems to be an abnormally high amount of Cougar fans who still believe the game was decided the second that flag was thrown. I disagree and to those fans who feel it changed the outcome, whether they cheer for Oregon State or not, I have this to say.
Firstly, Oregon State's downfall began earlier than the fourth quarter. It started when Mike Riley felt the need to chase the points after missing a PAT in the first half. For whatever reason, coaches get into this flawed mindset that they need to try and get that missed point back as soon as possible. However, they often dig too big of a hole to crawl out of and that's exactly what Mike Riley was doing Thursday night.
After going up 9-3, Oregon State's offense went cold and Utah scored 17 unanswered points. The Beavers, to their credit, did not wilt and came back right before the half and scored. Except Riley decided to go for two and failed. Instead of going into the locker room down 20-16, they're down five. This isn't terrible, because a touchdown, regardless of the PAT or not, still gives Oregon State the lead and that's exactly what happened at the start of the third quarter, as the Beavers marched down field and scored a touchdown.
22-20, Oregon State, right? Wrong. Riley, once again, decides to chase the points and goes for two. Now this is where it gets interesting, because Utah stopped Oregon State on their first two point attempt, yet were flagged and the Beavers lined up at where Utah was on their two point conversion and failed to convert. So instead of leading by two, the Beavers now cling to a one-point lead. That's important, because neither Utah or Oregon State would score again until the end of the game.
Fast forward to late in the fourth and Oregon State, still up by only one, puts together a masterful drive that seemingly puts the game away. Lyle Moevao found David Camp down the middle for an easy one-yard touchdown and just like that, the Beavers were on the verge of winning. It appeared they dodged the bullet when it came to not converting on their two point conversions. Riley, finally getting it, kicks the PAT and Oregon State takes what feels like a commanding 28-20 lead.
Surely, with how poorly Utah's offense had played the entire second half, they could not come down the field in a matter of minutes, score and then convert to tie, right?
Wrong.
That's exactly what Utah did. They marched down the field, easily scored and then enter the pass interference call. Debatable? Sure. But what isn't debatable is the fact had Riley decided to kick the PAT just once in either case where he went for the two, the Beavers are up nine and two points or not, the Utes would have still trailed. So instead of possibly leading by 9 or 10 points prior to that final drive, Riley's Beavers only held an eight point lead. Which made the comeback extremely doable for the Utes.
So there is the call. Debate it all you want, but the game didn't end on that play.
Now I brought this up before and I'll repeat it again. The Beavers had been stopped on an earlier two point conversion, yet a facemask by Utah gave them another shot from the same spot Utah would have on their scoring drive. Now Utah wasn't stopped, Oregon State was. Had they converted from that spot, the whole dynamics of the game is changed. But they couldn't and because of Riley's chasing the points and the fact they failed on a near-gimmie two point conversion, Oregon State laid the foundation for that Utah comeback. That is fact and can't be debated, because it is reality.
Beyond that obvious miscalculation by Mike Riley (I'm sure had he called the game again, he'd take the points), there is still indisputable blame here. After Oregon State had scored, they had the momentum and were inside Brian Johnson's head. He had been shut down the entire second half and yet their defense couldn't get a stop. Johnson marched Utah down field and scored with ease and that isn't because the officials blew a call, it was because the Beaver defense failed at doing its job. But even then, the game was still Oregon State's to win!
The penalty moved Utah closer, but as the Utes had proved earlier in the game, it's possible to stop the opposing team when they line up for a two point conversion that close to the goal line. Oregon State couldn't. I mean, it was a basic bootleg play, yet the defense couldn't stop Johnson.
Ok, so the game is tied now. Not the ideal situation for Oregon State, but still far from over as they had a chance to win in regulation or at least take it to overtime. But instead, Mike Riley performs the worst clock management I've seen this season and the Beavers have a quick three and out, giving Utah great field position and a chance to possibly win in regulation. Now I use the word possible, because when that drive started, the Utes still weren't in field goal range. Yet the Beaver defense again failed to stop Utah and Brian Johnson -- who had been off the entire second half -- steps up, finds Brent Casteel for the 16-yard gain and Utah is now in field goal range.
Cue Louie Sakoda and the Utah victory.
Blame the refs all you want. Blame the PI call, but it doesn't change the fact it was Oregon State who left points on the field and couldn't get a stop down the stretch. Utah managed to get that stop, forcing a punt and then getting the ball back for the win. Had Oregon State done that on Utah's final drive, the PI call is never made and the game isn't lost. Instead, they flopped and now too many people are trying to find too many excuses for the obvious. Both Utah and Oregon State had their chances and it was Utah who ultimately made the plays to win. That is why they are 6-0 and the Beavers are 2-3.
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I have yet to see an impartial observer call the PI call the wrong call.
You called it debatable, which I can agree with. The AP article on the game did not think it was the wrong call, though, and neither did any espn analysts that I saw.
The part that makes it debatable is that I could occasionally see an referree not throwing a flag in those circumstances, but I believe it should be called.
An excellent game. I wish I could have been there. I miss Utah football live.
by Ute in DC on Oct 4, 2008 11:50 AM MDT 0 recs
One did
My brother, complete Cougaholic, said it was clearly PI, the guy played the receiver, not the ball, automatic flag.
by MeanBobMean on
Oct 8, 2008 1:18 PM MDT
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It's simple
Oregon State could have stopped us on the second try, they could have had a better offensive showing, they could have stopped our last drive, and finally they could have blocked the field goal. Simple as that.
by Riddy on Oct 4, 2008 1:51 PM MDT 0 recs
OSU Coaching decisions
Riley was out coached on many levels. One of the ones you didn’t mention was the short kick off that shortened the field for the tying TD drive. Chasing points is only bad when you don’t make them. If you’re going to chase the points (go for 2) you have to make them. The play selection was terrible. You have to have almost sure fire plays if you’re going to do it. SInce the result of not making the 2 is always worse than the reward of getting the 1 is good. It’s not an even trade. Roll outs and misdirections are the best choice for a two point conversion. BJ’s run showed that. OSU had chances to stop the Utes and couldn’t do it. I didn’t see whether they were playing a zone and dropping off, but BJ wasn’t being pressured on the last two drives. It’s a delicate balance of pressure and coverage. Utah blitzed and was burned on the first TD. So there is no right answer. You have to execute whatever choice you make. The last two years in the TDS game the Utes went with coverage schemes and were burned. By Collie and Harline. I think that pressure is the way to go, but if the QB reads it well, a long gaine is possible. It looked like OSU went for coverage late, and BJ had the time to find his receivers. If the Beavers tried to pressure on any one play, obviously BJ read it and made the right decisions. But ultimately KW did a better job of coaching than Riley.
by BigBGoUtes on Oct 4, 2008 9:44 PM MDT 0 recs
We won by three.
The biggest argument is that the two point conversion would have only given them 2.
We are lucky to get that win. It is nice to see us winning the close games, and we are not in the top 10 in all 5 BCS computers currently available because we have been playing cupcakes.
As for the call, the question is whether it was catchable? Hard to say with the defender tackling the receiver and all… Without the hit it would have been an amazing catch, if we had got it.
by utesfan100 on Oct 6, 2008 7:00 PM MDT 0 recs
Game was fun
Oh those fetching Cougar fans . . .
I attended, had great seats, wore the kilt, stormed the field for first time in life (I’m an alum).
It’s the most exciting game at Utah my bud and I have ever attended.
I heartily suggest to all Utah fans that they express courtesy to visiting teams and fans though, booing is bad sport. We shook hands with a couple OSU fans, thanked them for coming to Salt Lake, and we cogratulated them on their huge win last week. One of those fans said it really made him feel bad for how he had previously behaved and he vowed to be nicer.
I also think booing our play calling and players is in bad taste. I mean, I personally feel Ludwig is just OK, and I did expect a better year out of Johnson. However, I did not boo, and we pulled off a game I predicted weeks previously through 2:30 left in the game that we would lose. OSU could very easily be 4-1, they were a good, good football team.
How can anyone boo that win? With my feeble mind I have to say, Utah has lost so many just like that, it was really grand to see one pulled from the fire.
Point about the PI call: whenever a guy smears a receiver—intentionally or not—and plays the receiver rather than the ball, they get called. If that guy had his back turned and was reaching toward the ball? No call and Utah wins by one instead of three.
Great assessment of the game by all, and I think the band looked terribly sharp and did a great job of whipping the students up and having fun afterwards.
High fived Casteel, after we jumped the rail, who was extremely polite and receptive to being close to the fans, he really showed class to a lot of young kids.
I think we Ute fans best be prepared for some disappointment. The powers that be would dearly love a “BCS buster” becaus eit make snews and that makes them money. But I’d say we’re a good team, but we’re no Oklahoma killer.
Just my dos pfennigs
MBobMean
by MeanBobMean on Oct 7, 2008 2:23 PM MDT 0 recs







