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An open letter to Stewart Mandel

Stewart Mandel knows college football and by all accounts, he seems to be a pretty decent guy. However, like most college sports writers for the major sites, they have one fatal flaw: They rarely give non-BCS teams credit. Today, in his power rankings, he did just that, setting his eyes on the Utes and their 10-0 start. 

Now I actually don't have too much of a problem with his ranking, as he puts the Utes at ninth, however, he also does so by tearing down not only Utah, but other non-BCS programs. Something that appears to be all too common nowadays. 

This is my counter.

With its dramatic 13-10 win over No. 11 TCU last Thursday, Utah firmly established itself as the highest ranked of the non-BCS teams. But the Utes didn't exactly blow anybody away, either. They went 59 minutes without a touchdown, were outgained 416 to 275 and were extremely fortunate that TCU missed two late field goals to leave the door open for their game-winning drive.

Texas Tech didn't blow Texas away, either, winning in the final seconds of that game. In fact, it took a more miraculous drive in that win than what Utah went through in theirs. Sure, Tech outplayed Texas for most of the game, however, had the Longhorns actually pulled out the victory, would Mandel and others have questioned the win because it came in the final seconds and they didn't dominate? I doubt it, especially since he puts Texas at 4th in his rankings (the Red Raiders are 2nd, even with their non-dominant victory over the Longhorns). 

Sure, TCU really isn't at the level of Texas and Utah probably isn't at the level of Texas Tech. But we're not talking about putting the Utes at first or second in the country here, we're just talking about moving them up a spot or two. Defeating a team Mandel admits he had rated higher the week before, even if it happened in the final seconds, should not be diminished because the Utes failed to dominate. 

Alabama didn't dominate LSU, a team Utah is ranked ahead of, barely squeaking by the Tigers in overtime. But how many people have made that an issue when it comes to ranking the Tide? Not many. See, when you're a BCS team and you defeat another solid BCS team by a small margin, it's a good win. But when you're a non-BCS team and you defeat a solid non-BCS team by a small margin, it's just an average win. Had the Utes and Frogs both been in a BCS conference, no one would be questioning Utah's last minute victory, just as Mandel didn't question Georgia's, who barely defeated a slightly better than average Kentucky team. They're tenth, right behind Utah, up from thirteenth a week before. Utah's victory over TCU, who ranked ninth last week, only netted them a one-spot gain in his rankings. So I guess we should believe a close win over an unranked Kentucky team is more impressive than a close win over a ninth ranked TCU team, at least that's the logic Mandel seems to employ here. 

But that not all.

Note that Utah also needed a dramatic, last-minute rally in its other big win of the season over Oregon State, and, in the game that originally put the Utes on the map, had to hold on for dear life to survive Michigan, which is now 3-7.

Note, Penn State, who Mandel has ranked seventh, ahead of Utah, lost to an Iowa team teetering on the brink of a losing season. Sure, the Hawkeyes are a better team than Michigan, but if you go by Mandel's rankings, he believes Penn State is better than Utah, so they should equal out, right? Well not in his world. Instead of dropping Penn State behind Utah for losing to an Iowa team that entered that game 5-4, they keep them ahead of a 10-0 Utah team who defeated a 9-1 Texas Christian team he had ranked ninth the week before. Confused? Yeah, so am I. We'll dock the Utes points for barely winning at Ann Arbor, but we'll keep them behind a Penn State program who lost to struggling Iowa. I don't get it. 

But he didn't end there.

Again, Utah most certainly deserves the highest ranking of the non-BCS bunch. It's undefeated and alone atop the toughest non-BCS league, the Mountain West. It has beaten TCU (9-2), Air Force (8-2) and Oregon State (6-3), whereas fellow undefeated Boise State's lone substantive win was at Oregon (7-3). Undefeated Ball State's best win came against Indiana (3-7).

Well that just makes it all better, doesn't it? Nothing like a backhanded compliment, eh? Isn't it interesting the Utes have now two wins over two current top-25 teams (TCU and Oregon State), while also defeating a team on the cusp of the top-25 (Air Force). But that isn't good enough in his eyes. 

Utah deserved to be rewarded for beating TCU (which I had moved ahead of the Utes last week), and I did move them up one spot from 10th to 9th, but I'm starting to believe that we the voters are being overly generous in our rankings of these teams.

Utah deserved to be rewarded for beating TCU (which I had moved ahead of the Utes last week), and I did move them up one spot from 10th to 9th, but I'm starting to believe that we the voters are being overly generous in our rankings of these teams.

I jumped 8-2 Ohio State above Utah this week. Why? Because no part of me believes the Utes would stand a chance against Terrelle Pryor and Beanie Wells. I would have moved Georgia ahead of them as well had the Dawgs not struggled so mightily to win at Kentucky. (I did move them ahead of Boise State.) Oklahoma State is almost certainly better than the Utes and Broncos, too, but that would have required keeping the Cowboys in the same spot after losing 56-20 to Texas Tech.

Uh, what? So your rankings are based on whether or not a team has a shot at defeating those ahead of them? Well if that's the case, why the hell isn't Iowa ranked ahead of Penn State? I mean, they proved they could not only hold their own against the Nittany Lions, but they actually won the game! What's more, why isn't Oregon State ahead of USC? I know, I'm letting results get in the way of flawed logic, but I can't help but push this further. 

He says Utah would not stand a chance against Ohio State and bases this on, I guess, his opinion. I don't know if Utah would beat Ohio State, hell, they'd probably lose if the game were in Columbus. However, that doesn't mean they wouldn't stand a chance in either a bowl game or if they were to have played them at Rice-Eccles. I mean, USC managed to dominate the Buckeyes and the Beavers turned around and beat the Trojans, who then lost to the Utes. Yes, it's a warped way of making my point, but no more warped than Mandel's belief Utah couldn't hold their own against Ohio State. 

He finishes it off by trying to save face, but maybe inadvertently ruins his case. 

Utah will deserve its coveted top-12 spot if it beats 9-1 BYU and finishes undefeated in an admittedly tough conference, but don't get fooled into thinking these are the 2004 Utes. That Alex Smith-led team may very well have beaten a top-five foe in a BCS game if given the chance. This team has proven that, if given the right breaks, it can beat TCU and Oregon State.

I wouldn't even think of comparing this team with 2004's. In fact, there is no comparison, that team was far better and proved it on the field by blowing out every opponent they faced. However, we're not talking about the 2004 Utes, or the 2004 season. We are talking about the 2008 Utes and the 2008 season.

What these two teams do have in common, though, is that they both have been written off. In 2004, it was because the Utes didn't play anyone and now it's not that they haven't played anyone, but rather they haven't dominated those teams like they should have. But it's the double standard we non-BCS fans have to put up with.

I mean, had Utah lost to Iowa in the same fashion Penn State did, does anyone really believe they would have kept their top-ten ranking? Does anyone really believe they wouldn't have tumbled all the way out of the top-15? Of course they would have and that's the problem with the BCS. They give too much credit to the teams from the BCS and not enough credit to the teams from the non-BCS. When those smaller conference opponents do defeat the eleventh ranked team in the nation, even if it's by a hair,  it's only a marginally decent win. But when the number one team in the nation barely defeats the fifteenth ranked team, it's a solid win, deserving of high praise and proof that their players are worthy of a national championship berth. 

It would seem the media isn't much different than the BCS as they, too, make excuses to keep the Little Guys out. Even when their own rantings appear to cheapen their arguments.

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Mandel's writeup

I read it too, and also that of Pete Fiutak’s who also panned the non-BCS undefeated teams. OMG….I just keep banging my head against the table here as I read all that drivel from the national sportswriters, who are, soooo biased against the best of the non-BCS teams. At any rate, no, this isn’t the ‘04 Utes. I think they had a better OC than the ’08 Utes. However, the Utes are tough as nails, Brian, Freddie and Brent on the offense. I love this team’s never say die grit.,

In defense of the Utes win over a lackluster Michigan team….don’t forget that the coaches had to cover the gamut in preparation for Michigan since no one knew exactly what the scheme and players would look like with the new coaching staff. Now all the teams coming behind Utah have that advantage. Thus, I think the speed and tenacity of the Utes would stand them well against Ohio State, even now that Terrelle Pryor and Beanie Wells are playing. Utah’s defensive speed is no slouch, nor is the speed of the offense. When USC did a beat down on Ohio State, Pryor and Wells were not playing full time or in the game and yet, I don’t believe Mandel mentioned that small fact. But let’s see, the Oregon State team that put a beat down on USC is the same team that Utah beat …on gritty (there’s that word again) late drives by the Utes. Alabama has won in almost the exact same way…the early season win at Clemson for Alabama does not look so big now, does it, but the national pundits don’t ever seem to notice that, do they. Strangely, I think the Utes stack up best against #1 Alabama among all those teams who are ahead of them.

Re: Oklahoma’s win over TCU that Mandel noted was won by the Sooners 35-10 at OU, it should be noted that the Sooners certainly won the first half, but were played even by TCU in the 2nd. TCU figured ’em out, but did not have the offense to carry them over the large hump the Sooners had.

The bottom line to all of the sportswriters drivel is: It is all conjecture until there is a playoff.

by MississippiUte on Nov 11, 2008 2:57 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This article only bothered me a little.

First off, I would like to say that ranking teams is a subjective business. Most teams have about four non-conference games from which we, the spectators, try to gauge the relative strength of each conference. Complicating the difficulty is that teams frequently change through the season. Some teams improve, and some teams get worse – whether its due to injuries or just plain giving up.

Due to the subjective nature of polling, many pollsters are going to say or vote in ways I disagree with. But its obvious from reading his article that Stewart Mandel has put some thought into his ballot. It seems that he is basing his rankings based on which team he thinks would usually win if the teams were to meet on a neutral field. I think Utah would beat Ohio State or Penn State in a bowl game. He apparently does not. We both have valid reasons for our beliefs.

Ultimately, he puts Utah at #9, which I think is a fair assessment. He makes some disparaging comments along the way, which I did not like. However, he does write some good things about the MWC, and he has TCU ranked at #14 and ybU at #19, which shows a fundamental respect for the conference.

by Ute in DC on Nov 11, 2008 5:57 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Like I said in my post...

His ranking of Utah isn’t the problem, it’s the snide remarks and him trying to justify the ranking that gets me. Mandel doesn’t get it and his logic is full of holes. He’s honestly saying Utah isn’t all that because they haven’t dominated in their big games. Yet then ranks Penn State above the Utes, who dropped a very big game against Iowa and also had a tough battle against Michigan (at home). I’m just saying, you need to apply that logic to every team, not just Utah.

by JazzyUte on Nov 11, 2008 6:59 PM MST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Obviously, this eyar we aren’t murdering everyone like the ‘04 team, but which one has been more memorable? This season at 10-0 or ’04 at 10-0? I think this one is amazing. How many teams could pull off a win against a top three defense in the final minutes of a game? I can only name two. Utah and Texas Tech. Now I am not saying we are at Tech’s level because they are amazing. They will lose….but they are amazing. The Big 12 is easily the best conference this year, but really…9th? I don’t know. I think that we should be up at fourth or fifth. With the two undefeated teams then Florida and maybe Texas. Meaning we could drop from that spot, when Tech plays Oklahoma and will probably lose. But oh well. We are undefeated and beaten 3 maybe 5 (TDS and AFA) ranked teams by the end of the season. That is amazing right there. If Alabama and Tech lose. I don’t see how they could keep us out of the NC. That’s just me personally but really…

GO UTES!!

by Jman87 on Nov 11, 2008 6:33 PM MST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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