Bring on the National Championship!
Really, go back and listen to what Kyle said in his interviews with ESPN.
If nobody is in front of our undefeated Utah team at the end of the season..."there is a good case for Utah to be in the National Championship game." - Kyle Whittingham
So we are undefeated with three other teams. Two of which are below us in the polls and probably won't even make it to a BCS game. What is wrong with the BCS? Two undefeated teams probably not going to the BCS? The other is Alabama, who ESPN is thinking we will be playing in the Sugar Bowl. So already they are counting out Alabama from the Championship. If Alabama really does lose to the Gators in the SEC championship. Why should we be denied the chance to a National Championship?
Because we are not in the "Big 6"? Well, we have been undefeated two years out of five. Thats better than even probable National Championship prospect, Florida. Even still though, what does it take to get into one of these conferences? We go undefeated twice in the past five years. Maybe we need better competition? Just an idea.
Could we have fared against a schedule that a team in the "Big 6" had? What difference does this make? We beat the teams on our schedule. Three of which are in the top 25 right now. That's better than USC, who has only beat two of the top 25 teams right now. Losing to another. So if we were in the Pac-10 this year, could we have gone undefeated? Who knows. Looks to be like we could have.
Now, I'm not saying Utah can beat any team in the nation. Or even that they could win the National Championship game if they were placed in it. But really, who thought Ohio State had a chance the last two years? Who thought Oklahoma had a chance to beat USC in 2004? I think with preparation tho, we could play tough against any team in the nation. I'm just saying though, that Utah needs to be considered as National Championship contenders.
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NC hopes still on life support.
To get to the NC game we need to get to #2. All but one of the following 7 must happen.
A) Alabama needs to lose to Auburn. With a win over Auburn and a loss to Florida Alabama would still likely be ahead of us. With a loss to Auburn they would fall below us, but a win over Florida would then put them very close to us. A loss to both knockes them to about #13. Alabama needs to lose to Auburn.
B) Texas must lose to Texas A&M. This loss would knock Texas between Penn State and Boise State.
C) Oklahoma must lose to Oklahoma State. Oklahoma would then fall somewhere between us and Penn State
D) Florida must lose to FSU or Alabama. A loss to Alabama puts them in the groups between us and Penn State. A loss to FSU followed by a win vs Alabama does the same.
E) USC must lose to Notre Dame or UCLA.
F) Texas Tech must lose to Baylor. Teams with a bad win do better than a team with a bye. Texas Tech could pass us wwith a win.
G) All of the above except 2 of B, C and F and Missouri wins the Big 12 Championship.
by utesfan100 on Nov 24, 2008 7:42 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
One More Case:
H) 2 of A, D, E and 1 of B, C and F and Missouri wins the Big 12 Championship.
by utesfan100 on Nov 24, 2008 8:12 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I know....
but I’m saying we deserve it. Not that we are going to get there. I also thought about this today. If OU lost to OkSU and Texas Tech and Texas won their games. Tech wins the south division of the conference. Tech then loses to Missouri in the championship game. Florida beats Alabama big. Oregon State wins their game against Oregon.
Who goes to the National Championship? Florida obviously. Then who? Texas? Alabama? OU? OkSU? USC? Nope….none of these teams won their conference. They can’t go to the Championship. Who is next in line? Utah Utes! Would you look at that? We aren’t as far off after all. I am thinking OkSU will beat OU on their own turf. Putting Tech back in the drivers seat of that one. But still they are behind us, not that that can’t change. This is the problem though, Missouri would have to beat Tech, which isn’t likely, but you never know. The only problem is that the BCS could jump Penn State up to number two and ruin everything.
Anyway though, I was just saying that we deserve to be in the NC not that we will be there. It’s still possible though, don’t give up hope.
GO UTES!!
by Jman87 on Nov 24, 2008 11:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Championship unnecessary.
It would be nice if there was a rule that said you could only play in the BCS title game if you won your conference. There isn’t. Nebraska didn’t even win their division in 2001, they went to the title game. Same with Oklahoma in 2003. If Florida had lost the title game two years ago, Georgia might have gone. There’s no requirement that you be the best team in your conference to play in the championship game. There should be, but there isn’t. So USC, or the Big 12 south runner-up could play in the title game even though they didn’t win their conference (or didn’t even play in their conference championship game). So there’s a lot that has to happen. Basically, here’s what we need:
Alabama loses to Auburn.
Florida loses to Florida State.
Higher-ranked SEC team loses in the SEC championship.
USC loses to Notre Dame or UCLA or both.
Texas loses to aTm.
OU loses to OK State.
Tech loses to Baylor.
Missouri wins Big 12 championship.
That would probably leave us playing Penn State for the title. Any one of the games listed above goes for the favorite and we’ll probably get jumped by Penn State and they’ll play for the title against the team that didn’t get upset. Maybe we’d get in if tech beats baylor and then loses to Missouri, but that’s pretty much the only thing that could go against us and still get us in.
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by displacedute on Nov 25, 2008 10:06 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
At least this year, Conference Champs is a bad requirement
Between Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech, it’s hard to say one is definitively the best. Assuming they’ll all win out, they’ll each have won their division, in a tie. The fact that one gets tiebroken into the conference championship game doesn’t make that one suddenly better than the other two, except that it would have an extra win against a reasonable team. And even if Missouri manages to beat the chosen team, that doesn’t make Missouri better than the other two teams left out. Winning you conference doesn’t necessarily make you the best team in it, and not winning it doesn’t necessarily mean you weren’t the best — for the two in the Big 12 South, it just means you didn’t have a shot.
by jaffa on Nov 26, 2008 12:05 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta disagree.
Being the conference champion should be a requirement. That’s what conference champion means, you’re the champion of the conference. The first place team, the winner, the best team, however you want to phrase it, you’re king of the conference. If the Big 12 south is so great, then their best team should be able to beat the best team from the Big 12 north in the championship game. Settled on the field. If they don’t, then the Big 12 north champion is the best team in the Big 12 and none of the Big 12 south champions should get a shot at the national title, because none of them could do what was necessary.
I’ll give in to conferences with ties for the actual champion (not division ties), like the Big 10 or the pac 10. If USC and Oregon state have the same record, I’m willing to let in USC, despite the head-to-head loss. But if you aren’t at least a co-champion, you don’t deserve a shot.
And I’ll prove it. If Texas goes to the Big 12 championship game, it’s because the Big 12’s rules decided that they were going to break a 3-way tie by using the BCS. So that means that, according to the Big 12, the best team in the Big 12 south is Texas (or Oklahoma or Texas Tech, whoever ends up in the game). If you can’t win the games necessary to get into your conference title game, you don’t deserve to get into the national championship game. Do we need a Texas/OU rematch in the National Title game? Nope. We know how that one turns, out, Texas by 10. Do we need an OU/TTU rematch in the title game? Nope, we know how that one turns out too, OU by about 50. Maybe Tech/Texas on a neutral field (because that was a great game the first time), but why give Texas another bite at the apple. If you aren’t the best team in your division, how can you be the best team in the nation?
And yeah, not winning your division means you aren’t the best team. Champions are defined by one thing and one thing only: WINS. If you aren’t the winner, then you aren’t the champion. End of story.
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by displacedute on Nov 26, 2008 12:14 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Much of this is an issue of semantics
‘Best’ and ‘Champion’ aren’t exactly the same things. To me, ‘best’ is about quality, ability, past performance and likely future performance; it’s inheritably difficult definitively decide. ‘Champion’ is indeed purely about getting the (right) wins; it’s a more quantitative fact, and comparatively simple. In almost every circumstance the two are the same. I’ll try to give some examples when they aren’t:
First, a hypothetical: Team A wins all of its games in the regular season, all by 50 points, while playing the toughest schedule. Every other team loses at least 4. But it plays in a conference with a conference championship game, and stumbles in the 10th overtime when its running back can’t quite edge the ball over the goal line on a two point conversion. The two teams also played in the regular season, with Team A winning by 100. I contend (a) that Team A is still the ‘best’ team in its conference, probably in the country, and (b) that it should play in the national championship game. It is better than any other team: it has won more, scored more, and clearly has better players.
Reality is never that extreme, but there are a few somewhat similar instances. In 2003, USC won the AP National Championship, and was widely believed to be the ‘best’ team, hence winning the poll. But it was not the ‘champion’ in another system (one which it agreed to), which chose a matchup for the championship of two teams thought to be not as good as USC. LSU, then, was ruled ‘champion’ while not being the best team. Last year in the NFL, I think it’s hard to say the Patriots weren’t the best team; compare their one loss to the Giants’ six. In baseball in 2006, the Cardinals probably weren’t the best team, barely winning more than half their games (83-78), while the Mets and Yankees each won nearly 60% of theirs (97-65). We can look at college basketball too. Were a 16 seed to manage the 6 straight wins, that wouldn’t suddenly make it the ‘best’ team. In 1985 Villanova was 25-10 at the end of the tournament; ‘champion’ but not necessarily the ‘best’ team of the year.
I’m not trying to say that tournaments aren’t legitimate, just that they don’t always result in the best collection of talent, record, results, or resume winning the championship. And that’s alright. You need a tournament when the teams don’t play an equal schedule, because there’s no other way judge between two teams with similar records. That scheduling problem has been solved satisfactorily in every league and body except for Division 1-A college football. In all those other groups, there is a playoff between the teams that might be presumed to be the ‘best’ teams, champions and non-champions of smaller leagues. The overall, national, champion wins from among those ‘best’ teams. In college football, there is also a sort of playoff, only it’s between just two teams. IMHO, that ‘playoff’ has the most legitimacy when it’s between the qualitatively ‘best’ teams, not necessarily between a pair of ‘champions’.
If we look at the Big 12 this year, it’s difficult to say that there is a ‘best’ team in my terms of quality, ability, etc. When one of the South teams is chosen, it will be primarily based on the idea of ‘best’ as determined by the combination of polls and computers of the BCS. That team will be chosen ‘champion’ of the Big 12 South at the expense of the other two, but it won’t really change who is ‘best’, and it won’t have been decided purely by wins. Assuming each wins out, there’ll be an argument no matter who is chosen. Let’s say Missouri wins the Big 12 title. Would you pick them to beat either of the teams left out from the South? I probably wouldn’t, so I would say the other teams are “better” than Missouri. In that case, the ‘champion’ isn’t the ‘best’.
by jaffa on Nov 26, 2008 4:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh...
Alright, I thought you had to win the conference. It makes sense that you should have to. That is messed up.
GO UTES!!
by Jman87 on Nov 25, 2008 11:38 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
Like I said, that would be a great rule.
But it’s not the rule. Should be the rule, so we wouldn’t have had to debate about an OSU/Michigan rematch two years ago or about Georgia last year. The voters seem pretty good about keeping teams that didn’t win their conference out of the NC game, but they haven’t always been successful at it.
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by displacedute on Nov 25, 2008 4:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I see what you mean. I thought that was a rule. So we don’t have much of a chance, but I’m just saying that we deserve to be in it if we are undefeated and nobody else is but Boise and Ball State.
GO UTES!!
by Jman87 on Nov 25, 2008 8:38 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

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