Improving the Mountain West
The Mountain West is obviously a conference that needs alot more rep and needs more respect. For teams such as Utah, TCU, and BYU they each have their fair share of outstanding seasons and tremendous programs. But still the MWC still gets no love from the BCS. I propose the idea of bringing in a few more tough teams to the conference to increase the Mountain West's power. Bring in Boise State, Fresno State, and maybe even Colorado from the Big 12. Drop teams such as San Diego State, and Wyoming. This would increase the toughness of the conference which could in turn get them a little more respect in the National Spotlight. Because, honestly, right now the Mountain West deserves an automatic bid into a big BCS Bowl game more than the Big East, or even the ACC.
0 recs |
12 comments
Comments
No point.
I don’t care who we add, we won’t get any additional respect. Unless the addition gets us an automatic BCS bid (in which case, add anyone you want), there’s no reason to change the conference. 9 members is perfect. 8 conference games, 4 home and 4 away, no need for weird tie-breaker rules like the Big 10 or 9 conference games like the pac 10.
And if we’re going to add teams, Colorado’s not leaving the big 12, unless it’s to go to the PAC 10. They’re just not. Offering them a spot would get us laughed at like JazzyUte asking Ute Werner out on a date. Just not going to happen.
Also, if we ARE adding teams, in order to get a BCS bid, the three to add are Boise, Fresno and another texas team (Houston, preferably) or Tulsa. As previously discussed, that gives you two 6-team divisions and if you’re smart about splitting them up you can have 4 or 5 ranked teams every year (out of utah, byu, boise, tcu, air force, houston, fresno, colorado state). Also, we could replace Wyoming with Nevada, as far as I’m concerned,
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Nov 7, 2008 6:24 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Great Point
Yeah having more great teams in your conference would get more respect because they would get more reputation. Why would you ever add Houston? What have they done recently or ever? Tulsa maybe but they are rarely good. And I never said just add a few teams to the conference. Yes having eight works great. If they add teams like Boise, and or Fresno. Get rid of Wyoming, and or San Diego State, is what I was saying. Plus Nevada struggles in the WAC why would we add some team who struggles in that terrible conference?
by scotmichie5 on Nov 7, 2008 9:14 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Why add Houston?
Because they play in Texas. The market will definitely have some impact on a potential guaranteed BCS bid.
by UtesFan89 on Nov 8, 2008 4:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
The reason to add Houston is because they’re the best available Texas team. We’re not pulling a team from a current BCS conference to play in the MWC, even if we get the auto bid. That leaves the following possible candidates (from West to East):
1- Hawaii. Bad idea. They are ridiculously expensive to have in a conference (not for football and basketball, but every other team has to travel out there too). All of the good HS players from Hawaii already leave the islands to play on the mainland, so we don’t need to add them for recruiting, and adding them would legitimize their program, potentially making it harder to get Islanders off the Islands. Plus they have little support for their program, and don’t look to have much support coming (worst facilities in the WAC, Idaho included).
2- Fresno State. Good idea. Expands the MWC into NoCal for recruiting. Good tradition in football, decent (not great, but not horrible) basketball program. Already has rivalry with Boise (if we also add Boise).
3- SJSU. Bad idea. Average at best in the WAC, routinely gets destroyed by MWC bottom-dweller SDSU.
4- Boise State. Good idea. Horrible basketball team, but adds significant credibility to MWC football prestige. With Boise the MWC would have teams ranked in the top 15 every year since 2004 except last year, (Utah in 2004, TCU in 2005, Boise in 2006 (and BYU at 16), Utah/Boise/TCU/BYU in 2008). Even in 2007, BYU was 17th.
5- Nevada. Um . . . not sure. Good basketball program, rivalry with UNLV, average football program. Not at the top of the list, but worth considering.
6- Utah State (hahahahahahaha).
7- Idaho (hahahahaha).
8- New Mexico State. Not sure. Average football team, average basketball team, doesn’t really add anything. Pretty much filler if we can’t find a better option (and I think we can).
9-14 are the schools from the West division of CUSA. There are 4 texas schools (Rice, UTEP, Houston, SMU), Tulsa, and Tulane. Tulane is out (horrible), Rice and SMU are historically awful, but maybe they’re on par with Houston or UTEP. I think I rank these schools as follows: Houston, UTEP, Tulsa, SMU, Rice, Tulane. Also, SMU is in Dallas, and we already have TCU there. Houston is a decent basketball team with a decent football team and a great recruiting bed.
15- LA Tech. Decent basketball, average (at best) football, horrible location (far from everyone).
That’s everyone with a realistic chance of being added. I’d rank them as follows (as far as desirability):
1- Boise, 2- Fresno, 3- Houston, 4- Tulsa, 5- Nevada, 6- SMU, 7- Rice, 8- Hawaii, 9- NMSU, 10- SJSU, 11- LA Tech, 12- UTEP, 13- Tulane, 14- Utah State, 15- Idaho.
Again, if we’re kicking people out, start with Wyoming and then add 1-4 on the list. Tulsa/Nevada is a toss-up for me, as are SMU/Rice behind them. I still think we go to 12. Having a weak bottom half of the conference doesn’t hurt us and gives us the opportunity to separate halves of the conference so we can end with more ranked teams.
But of course, the only reason to split the pie with more members is if we can get a much bigger pie (i.e., an automatic bid).
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Nov 10, 2008 5:37 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with the TV Market argument
The last time a teams was selected because of TV market over commitment to athletics we took SDSU with us from the WAC instead of Fresno State.
Let’s not make that mistake again. I like Tulsa because they have averaged a higher ranking in the BCS computers than any C-USA west team over the last 5 years. This is significant, but may be second to actual training facilities or those currently being built.
Dropping a team would be significantly difficult. I personally hope SDSU loses their stadium, can’t afford to build a new one and decides to step down to FCS football.
Boise State would bring instant credibility. They are the only team that really would bring the attention of the BCS, as Fresno State consistently fails to live up to expectations. With these two teams added it would be hard to imagine the MWC not having 3 top 25 teams on a regular basis, the level most BCS conferences maintain. The last two years demonstrate that a one loss team from the MWC can end up in the top 15 and a two loss team in the top 20, showing that even in a down year the top MWC would still be competitive.
The biggest thing the MWC can do is win a BCS bowl this year. They will be playing a Big 12 or SEC team in the Fiesta or Sugar Bowl. Win that, or even keep it close, and BCS leaders will take notice.
by utesfan100 on Nov 11, 2008 3:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't give a rat's ass about TV
We took TCU in part based on TV market. The problem is that no one in Dallas watches TCU games. But it’s gotten the MWC (at least Utah, BYU and CSU) into Dallas for recruiting purposes, even if it hasn’t brought a lot more regular joe blow viewers. I feel the same way about Houston. Great recruiting market, even if nobody in Houston watches the Houston Cougars, at least the recruits would know they’d get to play in front of a home crowd once (like Brian and our other texans getting to play at TCU).
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Nov 11, 2008 4:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Very True
Yeah I see your point to add Houston and it is a great reason to add them. Like the list you just made, I would only add Boise and Fresno, and drop Wyoming and San Diego State. Maybe a little later drop some other schools or add two more teams out of Houston, Nevada, or Tulsa. Which would bring the conference up to ten which is plenty. Obviously teams like Utah, BYU, TCU, even Air Force and Colorado State can compete with big conferences teams. The entire conference as a whole, is better than the Pac-10, Big East, and at the moment the ACC. The ACC will get better fast, but who knows with the Big East and the Pac-10, with the exception of USC. My main point is this, the Mountain West deserves an automatic bid, and by bringing in any of the teams mentioned (Boise, Fresno, Houston, Nevada, or Tulsa) would increase its TV exposure and competition level, which could increase recruiting for better teams. A really good system would be this, whichever champion of the Mountain West, or the Big East has a higher ranking or better record, should get the automatic bid into the Fiesta Bowl. Instead of you win the Mountain West and go to the Vegas Bowl, which sucks.
by scotmichie5 on Nov 10, 2008 6:23 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Also, the advantage to twelve teams.
Look at the MWC right now:
Utah, #7.
BYU, #17.
TCU, #18.
Air Force, #28 (probably).
The problem is that all of those teams have to play each other, so if BYU loses once (to Utah or Air force), they’ll fall out of the top 25 or right to the edge, same with TCU, and air force has to beat TCU and BYU to get into the top 25, which would put BYU and TCU out.
But if we had 12 teams, right now we’d probably have 5 ranked teams (Utah, Boise, TCU, BYU, and Air Force) and a shot at keeping all of them ranked because you would have one or two fewer matches between top 25 opponents. That’s good for everybody.
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Nov 11, 2008 4:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
The problem is Boise State would not be ranked as high as they are now
If Boise State played Utah, BYU and 6 other MWC teams they would have lost a few of those, or Utah and BYU would have had another loss. Either way Boise State is not in the top 10 or they knocked out BYU/Air Force or TCU. With 12 teams we would have three in the top 25 with 2 right outside, ready to move in if one of the other should falter.
Currently we have three teams that could be in the top 25, but no one consistently ready to step up if one of those should falter. It would be much better having 5 teams that had a shot at the top 25, knowing that two of them would get knocked out, but assuring the other three some respect in SOS.
Also, If BYU beats Air Force then loses to us they will be in the top 25, but very near the bottom of it.
by utesfan100 on Nov 11, 2008 5:14 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you about BYU
I think if BYU beats AF then loses to us by less than a TD, they fall from 13 or 14 to about 22. If they lose by a blowout they’ll fall further, to maybe 25 or maybe off the board.
And I disagree. If we went with my setup from the other post (i.e. two divisions with two cross-division games and one rivalry game) Boise wouldn’t have to play Utah, BYU, TCU every year. They’d have to play fresno every year and the one or two good teams in their division (Utah, tcu, byu wouldn’t all be in the same division). That way, sure, maybe they’re 8-2 right now instead of 10-0, but even at 8-2 they’re still ranked (albeit low, like at 22 or 23). That’s one more right there, plus AF doesn’t have to play Utah/TCU/BYU every year, so they’re ranked too (in fact, if not for the Utah loss they’d be ranked right now). That’s 5 right there. And fresno has a chance to be ranked, so that’s 6, and it looks like CSU is getting back on track, so that’s 7. Add Houston (ranked as recently as 2006, iirc) or Tulsa (currently ranked), and that’s 8 teams with a shot.
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Nov 11, 2008 5:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
For the Best
By adding a team like Boise State, could get more reputation and higher recognition nationally. Which could in turn possibly lead to an automatic bid. That would be the reason to add more competition to the conference. Like for example, the MWC adds Boise State, the BCS could give the conference an automatic bid for the Fiesta Bowl to the winner of the conference and they could play the winner of the Big East or the ACC or something. You have to think about the future outlook for the conference. Yeah with a tougher conference would cause them to beat up on each other. But when has that ever hurt a conference. I believe that’s what the Big 12 and SEC does every year! That’s why smaller conference teams like this don’t get half as much credit as those schools do because they get put into a category of “poor strength of schedule.” And besides, when did a little competition hurt anyone? The SEC and Big 12 do it every year, that’s why they stay high in the rankings because their strength of schedule is high!! Bringing in tougher competition to the conference could mean one or two loss seasons yes, but with a higher rep and tougher competition comes better rankings.
by scotmichie5 on Nov 14, 2008 4:57 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
Good Idea
You raise a very good point. Unfortunately, I think the logistics of rearranging the conference are too difficult to perform in the next few years. Removing dead weight tends to be a delicate and difficult process. Personally, I think the quickest way to national recognition is to schedule top ranked opponents outside of the regular conference schedule. I wrote an article along a similar vein if you would like to read it. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/83432-can-a-mid-major-team-play-for-a-bcs-national-title
by Suicide Jack on Nov 19, 2008 11:54 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

by 







