hell I even spent my frequent flyer miles to fly up to utah last year just for the utah byu game and then went to see arizona beat byfoo in the vegas bowl best season ever!!!

I HATE BYU!

Except my immediate family doesn’t root for BYU. My extended family does. But my parents live in Utah County. I remember I was at the dentist after I graduated from the U and the dental hygenist asked what I was doing. I told her I had just graduated and she said: “From the Y?” I said “No, from the U” and she said “I’m sorry.” Like I was going to study either of my intended majors (biochemistry or political science) at the Y.

it’s only b/c it’s a home game for byu. we will prevail b/c of our defense is much better. 24-17.

Especially with a freshman quarterback.

Especially since BYU loses so much next year .

Especially since this game is on the road and next year’s isn’t.

I do agree, Utah needs to win to add something to their schedule. I’d feel a lot better about this team if we can beat BYU. If we lose, I’m thinking 9-4 is likely and 9-4 seems very hard to swallow after starting the season 8-1.

that’s the best you can do? Damn you zoobs are stupid. You guys actually look at a holding sign and think that’s funny? Really?

Stay on your own turf ass clown. You’re clearly to special for us here.

ranger and displaced are making it too easy.

The incident you are talking about happened during the 1999 Holy War.
Wikipedia entry on the Holy War

During the 1999 edition of the Holy War, Utah recorded its fourth consecutive win in Provo. Early in the fourth quarter, Utah scored a touchdown when quarterback T.D. Crowshaw completed a four-yard-pass to Donny Utu to put Utah up 20–10. In celebration, Utah cheerleader Billy Priddis ran along the visitor’s sideline with a large “U” flag. An unidentified BYU fan ran onto the sideline and tackled Priddis from behind. Priddis turned around and started punching the fan. He landed seven or eight punches before security separated them. About the incident, Priddis said, ""There’s 65,000 fans here, does he think I’m not going to retaliate?" Priddis later enrolled at BYU.

From the Utah sideline, receiver Steve Smith taunted BYU fans and yelled, “Even our cheerleaders are kicking your butt.” BYU’s athletic director Val Hale purported to have chastised Priddis and the rest of the Utah cheerleaders. After the game he said, “I told them from now on we’re going to leave our flags at home and they should do the same. All it does is initiate the fans to throw things out of the stands.”

Seriously. I get that you guys want to play down the rhetoric in this rivalry, but this is kids stuff. I’ve seen far worse from BYU fans than what I put up in this post. You know it’s kid gloves stuff when the worst thing I call Cougar fans and players are douchebags.

I mean, even your own Cougar pal called Whittingham a pervert (you tell me what’s worse) and pretty much every Ute player girls. I don’t have any problem with that. It’s not exactly smart smack, but I’m not going to perch myself atop my thrown and complain about how vaughn is some classless jerk.

Don’t make this sound like I got all riled up and threw every curse word available out there and pulled this rivalry deep into the muddy trenches. I didn’t. Prick and douchebag aren’t any worse than stuff I’ve had tossed at me from the opposing side and certainly far more tame than what you’ll see at other blogs on SBNation (just go read what Iowa fans had to say about Minnesota prior to their rivalry game last week).

Now onto your post…

Um, so are you saying the Utes jumped around the field with giant smiles on their faces after getting shellacked by Oregon or TCU? If you watch TV on Saturdays, I think you might find most teams hanging their heads after defeats…it’s certainly not unique to BYU.

What’s that have to do with anything? I never said it was unique to BYU, did I? I just said I take delight in watching them pout and hide their heads in shame after they lose. Or are you telling me you don’t have the same feelings when Utah gets embarrassed (and I’d hardly call losing by seven to Oregon a shellacking) in a game?

I’ve been following BYU football for a long time (as a fan and journalist), and I’ve heard Bronco scream only once—at a closed practice in August in 2006. He doesn’t scream, and if he does, he certainly doesn’t sound like a woman’s sanitation device. Now, since when is a football coached judged by the color of his hair? No matter the argument, that is so completely off-topic. And when was the last time he mentioned anything about religion? Hard to say he’s extreme when he’s always talking about football…

I never mentioned anything about Bronco screaming. I said he screams douchebag. Not that he literally is out there screaming DOUCHEBAG to everyone around him or sounds like a douchebag. If I meant that, I would’ve said he screams LIKE a douchebag. But I do agree with you. Bronco is boring.

As for Bronco being a bit extreme with the religion…just look what he’s said in the past. He’s very open about how he believes BYU is morally stronger than any other program in college football. I find that very extreme. I have no problem with him preaching values, but when he uses those values as a way to suggest they’re holier than the rest…well that becomes condescending.
 

If this kind of thing happens so often, why are you still stuck on something that was said more than two years ago? Surely you must have more examples than just this one!

I gave a couple examples from last year’s game. It isn’t entirely religious and I only mentioned that was part of it. But do you deny there isn’t a mindset among Cougar faithful that they’re morally better than Utah? I see it all the time. LDS Ute fans see it all the time.

I’ve never heard a player or coach from BYU say this game is their bowl game. And about the "just another game comment", here’s Kyle Whittingham’s response from Monday: "You anticipate it and you look forward to it," he said. "But you’ve got to keep it in perspective. Every game counts as one. It doesn’t count any more than one. As soon as they start counting rivalry games as two, then they’ll become more important. But right now every game counts as one," Whittingham added.

Call me crazy, but that sounds like your coach is saying exactly what you’re criticizing BYU for…

Reread what I put. I said BYU fans and players act as if this is UTAH’S bowl game. I’ve heard it for years. Every time they lose, we’re told by Dick Harmon (who wrote an article last year saying Utah invests more into the rivalry than BYU) and your fans that BYU takes this as just another game and nothing more and that Utah is the only one who looks at it as a rivalry.

Of course, Whittingham is right. A win over BYU doesn’t count as two, does it? But you and I both know he was planning for the Cougars along with San Diego State last week.

That’s only because we have a past to be proud of…

You got me there. Our past doesn’t stand up to BYU’s Thankfully, our recent history trumps anything you’ve done in the last 24 years.

Again, any sentence that has "douchebag" in it three times is beyond ridiculous. By the way, champ, he said a vocal minority of fans are the few who are heard most loudly complaining.

Doesn’t change the fact he called out your douchebag fans.

That’s just because BYU owned every one of those schools for a couple decades. Trust me, Wyoming fans have more respect for BYU than they do for Utah, after Kyle Whittingham’s d-baggish actions two years ago—running up the score on a lowly team, and then onside kicking when the game was already won. Stay classy, Kyle!

See, you’re doing it. You’re falling into the exact same douchebagary I explained above. Utah has pretty much owned Wyoming for the last two decades. Their fans probably have more hate toward the Cougars than Utah. That’s with Whittingham pulling a douchebag move and kicking an onside kick!

That’s the reality. BYU still feels that the hate is because they were the best team in the Mountain West consistently fifteen years ago. But you and I both know that just isn’t the case because Utah, BYU and TCU have similar records over the last five years and two of those teams still do not elicit the type of hate the Cougars do. You know why? It’s not because you kicked their asses in the 70s and 80s. It’s because the other fans (outside of a few delinquents), don’t feel entitled to the Mountain West every year.

We weren’t printing up Quest for Perfection shirts even before the season began last year. We weren’t even really talking BCS until after we beat TCU. Hell, in 2004 – when it was all but a forgone conclusion the Utes would roll to a 12-0 start – we weren’t as pompous to suggest Utah should be playing for the national championship one day after knocking off Texas A&M.

But the second BYU pulls out an upset over the Sooners, with 11 games still remaining, every fan and BYU homer took to the airwaves and newspaper pages to explain why the Cougars should play for the national championship.

I mean, I get having that thought in the backs of your head. I get drooling over the possibility. However, for two weeks that is all I heard from BYU fans on the radio, in the newspapers and online. Who do you want to play in the national championship? Is there any team that can realistically stop us? That was extremely premature and I’m going to wager that you rarely heard Ute fans talk about going to the national championship game after beating a ranked Michigan team on the road (who, turns out, is only slightly worse than Oklahoma this year).

It didn’t happen. I might’ve mentioned the BCS a few times. I might’ve mentioned an article from the LA Times after Utah beat Oregon State (six weeks into the season, not one!) about how they might be better than USC. But I waited until they were 13-0 to talk about our beef with being left out of the national championship. Most Ute fans waited until 12-0 to even entertain the idea of going to the BCS.

BYU fans, though, decided they would punch their ticket to Pasadena after one victory. Granted, that isn’t to say every BYU fan thought like this. But nearly every one I interacted with at any point (whether in real life or via the radio or just by reading Cougarboard) seemed to believe they were destined for that title game.

That’s the problem, Layton. That’s why these teams don’t like BYU. It’s not just because they kicked their asses up and down the field in the 80s and part of the 90s. Hell, Colorado State owned a good share of the WAC and Mountain West (for a few years) and the hate never reached the levels we’ve seen with BYU.

There is hate because every time the season rolls around, your fans make it unbearable. They act as if they’re the greatest thing this side of sliced bread and they’re not. It’s not just the the Quest For Perfection shirts. It’s not just the national title discussion a week into the season. It’s the annoying attitude that Cougar fans are better than this rivalry. They’re better than the conference (remember how many of you guys talked about going independent after 2007?).

Now granted, I’m not delusional. I get there have been instances of Ute fans who were out there screaming about leaving the Mountain West back in 2004 (which was actually more legit, because the conference sucked back then…especially the Cougars. At least the two years BYU won the title, Utah was somewhat good and TCU was still TCU). But not at this extent.

Which is why the Utes aren’t as hated. You can try and tell yourself it’s because BYU dominated so long ago. But we both know it’s because your fans are extremely condescending to every other program in this conference.

That was fine when you were actually carrying 90% of the weight of the WAC back in the 80s. However, that isn’t the case anymore. The Mountain West isn’t just BYU. It’s BYU, Utah and TCU.

The Cougars might be a better team this year than Utah (though I think it’s close). They might even win Saturday (though I still think the Utes do), but they’re not the better program. I think that’s hard for BYU fans to accept because for so long, they were. Then 2004 came around and so many of you thought it was a flash in the pan deal. Once Meyer left, Utah would tumble back to the middle of the pack and contend in the Holy War, but rarely on the national stage.

Whittingham proved that wrong.

Most BYU fans have yet to come to grips with the realization that lately, the Utes have been consistently better. So, they fall back on their past and revert to the annoying habit of believing they’re entitled to the Mountain West every year.

Well I don’t think they are.

is much better than byu’s. next year we have the opportunity to go 13-0 again. utah’s bowl record is the best in the nation percentage wise and we will have nine straight bowl wins second only to fsu. byu’s bowl record stinks percentage wise. only utahn’s even remember byu won the ncg in 1984. nobody on the east coast or west coast remembers the game with michigan. it’s that long ago. byu is content with tens wins a season while utah wants it’s third undefeated season in 6 years. when boise state joins mwc knock byu’s number down to nine. utah and tcu are the dominate teams in the mwc. i really hope you guys get boise state in the bowl game this year if they do not get a bcs bid b/c they would whipped you worse than fsu. peace. p.s when is the last time byu beat an sec team?

and vaughn zipper. you guys are truly the three stooges of sb nation. could not even take the wolfmans smack i guarantee when the mwc gets an aq bcs conferences status both utah and tcu will win national championship games before byu gets a sniff of one. byu blog is run by a group of wimps.

as a pride thing. it got joe glenn fired too. lol stanford went for 2 pt. conversion when they were up by 4td’s on usc. pete carroll could not understand this. lmao! in the sec it happens all the time. georgia running on the field when they played the gators and scored that first td. urban meyer the next year taking all three timeouts when they were not necessary when they crushed the bulldogs the next year. etc etc. your just jealous b/c byu can’t make a statement. they beat the teams there supposed to and lost to the teams who are good. expect that until they fire bronco m. layton SORRY IT DID NOT WORK OUT! our stadium is still more beautiful then yours. peace!

I’ll give you a while to look it up. It’s never happened. You’ve gone undefeated once (1984) and the best team on your schedule that year was probably a 6-5 Michigan team. Not a single team on that schedule (Pitt, Tulsa, Baylor, USU and the WAC) ended the year ranked.

Wow you don’t get it do you?

How can you say that a team that has won 2 BCS bowls in 5 seasons has a lesser bright future? Utah is continuing to get better, and better each season. Look at how less the drop off has been in 2009 compared to 2004.

BYU seems to be as good as that they can get. Face the facts, BYU has so many limitations that keep superiour athletes away. Yes, they are having an impressive recruiting class now, but the athletes do not have the speed to rival that of BCS teams. Utah and TCU are getting better and better athletes every season that right now that BYU is not able to consistently get. Yes, BYU pulls in the occasional LDS- Top recruit but it’s becoming obvious that they are not getting enough athletic players.

The gap between Utah/TCU and BYU is only going to continue to get bigger as long as both programs continue to recruit the same type of players

i’ll be a very old man before that comes true, you might want to look at byu’s terrible bowl win percentage too. it’s a joke. who cares about recruiting utah has surpassed everything byu has done in the last five years with the recruits we have. when are you guys even going to get to one bcs bowl? what was the biggest win boise vs okie? lol! big play bob stoops who has lost 5 straight bcs bowls. alabama not be ready reflects on nick saban the coach. he had alot of smack before the game and was wagging his tail like a little puppy dog after the game. byu sucks zhit vaghn zipper, stroufe and layton. you guys are all like the trilateral commission of emptyness. tell that loser who posts about future byu qb’s he is a joke too. peace to utah fans but war to the phony azz honor code of the cougars and all theer 24- 26 year old lineman.

that was a high school game. jake heaps another ben olsen count on it.

your one shining glory of a win in the holiday bowl vs michigan. at least utah beat michigan at the big house. we should have an honor code for losers such as yourself who make up more accounts so you can spout your garbage. count on me to do the same on your empty byu blog. when we beat you byu blog will be a ghost town. layton stroufe and vaugn zipper. the three stooges of sb nation.

You guys might want to block this kid. I think he just made a bet with a tranny

head. enjoy your fellatio and remember clean the uniform up when your finished. lmao!

your the one who posted a very funny youtube link about “hitler” mocking byu. i thought it was funny but no better in terms of smack then what i said.

Nobody gave BYU a chance against OU (empahsis on the O and the U not OSU), and like your opponent it was in OU’s back yard.

Whatever makes your little frUte heart feel better gambit. You know it, Bama knows it, and the entire nation knows that Bama didn’t care to be there. Before the game their all everything lineman even said it. They were getting their money win or lose. It meant a lot more to you than it did to them, and they showed it.

I’ll give you half a brain for admitting it wasn’t the biggest non-aq bowl win. BSU v OU was waaaaaay bigger than Utah v Bama.

One last tid bit (I can’t resist and I’m disappointed in myself I didn’t mention it earlier) but BYU is the one that gave you the opportunity to get a BCS bowl in the first place. Remember BYU 2001? Even before we went out to Hawaii (and got shellacked because of injuries… Reno Mahe played as our QB the entire 4th) we were told we weren’t getting a BCS bowl. Had that never happened your ‘04 season would have been the team being told you’re not going. That got the BCS committee to switch things up. Again, BYU has to help little brother up the steps.

I love how you tell your whiners to keep it classy but your first word out the gate is “Bullshit”. Nice.

How long did it take you to come up with that one?

Another “coming out of the woodworks because my team is doing well”. Bronco’s been the HC for 4 years now against your Horned Frogs, he was a DC before that, at BYU. You must not follow your team much, if it all, to not know what the opposing HC looks like. They only interview each HC before the half, at the end of the game, in the press conferences, etc.

You do live in Australia so I’ll cut you some slack, but you were able to come to this site. I’ll catch you up on a few things, TCU came to Provo and handily beat BYU (38-7) then had Utah go down to Ft Worth just to be absolutely shellacked and obliterated (55-28, it was 38-14 at the half… wait doesn’t Utah take pride in their D?)! In fact with 12:00 left in the 2nd quarter it was already 35-7. It was hardly a game for TCU. Very enjoyable for BYU fans.