Oh yeah, there was that whole Jamie Whittingham thing...

by JazzyUte on Nov 30, 2009 2:43 PM MST in Holy War Comment 36 comments

Cause this is total class, folks.

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Jamie Whittingham (far left) and daughter Kylie Whittingham watch as BYU Cougars and Utah Utes fans tangle after the game at LaVell Edwards Stadium on Saturday (Deseret News)

Jamie Whittingham (left) is grabbed by an unidentified BYU Cougars fan during an altercation after the game against the Utah Utes at LaVell Edwards Stadium on Saturday. Whittingham is the wife of Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham (Deseret News)

All this talk about Hall's family being assaulted to a bloody pulp at last year's game and yet not much reported on the confirmed story about Jamie Whittingham getting an elbow to the mouth and then being told to shut up by the person delivering the elbow.

Ute fans and BYU fans certainly need to take it down a level. This stuff is unacceptable.

But to act like it's a one-sided affair ignores reality.

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by MeanBobMean on Nov 30, 2009 2:50 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

This is from the Daily Herald

Daily Herald: Unholy War Rages on After Final Play

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by BoylenOver on Nov 30, 2009 7:29 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

True Spin

What you are not posting here is that Kyle Whittingham’s son started this fracas and he has two complaints filed against him. That would explain the “no comment” from the Whittinghams. Nice try on the spin though.

by Football1 on Nov 30, 2009 7:42 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

So says the BYU troll who joined this blog just to post this.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2009 7:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Probably the one of the guys in the picture ...

and the one who filed the complaints too.

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by utesfan100 on Nov 30, 2009 7:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Not in the picture

wasn’t even at the game. But you will see when the report becomes public what was mentioned earlier.

by Football1 on Nov 30, 2009 7:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The Truth will come out

Wait and the truth will surface. You are a typical Ute fan who has to be a hater. I hope you have a good rebuttal when you see it was Whittingham’s son who was completely out of line. I’ll give you a few weeks to come up with one as you’ll probably need to maximize your minimal intelligence to come up with something.

by Football1 on Nov 30, 2009 7:54 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha...

Yes, my minimal intelligence does need time to think of some way to refute your brilliance here.

Please zoob, I’ve forgotten more than you will ever know about anything. Back to trolling on your Cougar board.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2009 8:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Great logic idiot

You’re the one talking shit on a Utes blog and we’re the haters? Go away and try not to make up another default BYU story about Utes pouring beer on you.

by big shot on Nov 30, 2009 11:52 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Spin? The photos show it, bud.

The photos show a COUGAR FAN putting his arm around Coach Whitt’s wife. The photos show a bunch of irate Cougar fans looking like they’re about to blow – while Kyle’s daughter sits there and cries.

I don’t need to spin shit. The photos speak for themselves.

by JazzyUte on Nov 30, 2009 9:04 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

There are other photos

and hopefully they will be released soon. The photos also show the BYU fan being choked by a Ute fan. All I’m saying is that no one is blameless in this whole deal, but if the Ute supporter hadn’t grabbed the cell phone and destroyed a camera in his frustration, none of this would have happened.

by Football1 on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

We're not talking about that...

Unless the photo shows Jamie Whittingham choking a BYU fan, that is pointless here. I know it gets heated at these games. I know fights break out. I know BYU and Utah fans do stupid stuff.

THAT was my point. These photos show a lot more than anything from Hall’s side about his family’s spat last year.

And none of this would have happened had the BYU fan not felt the need to take photos of crying children.

by JazzyUte on Nov 30, 2009 9:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

So his son is the reason someone smacked his mom?

You guys would say anyhting to justify your behavior and your self identity of holiness and righteousness.

Instead of smacking people over the head with bibles and BOM all the time, crack one and read it occasionally.

by MeanBobMean on Dec 1, 2009 6:49 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

You guys?

I think you are an LDS hater and lump BYU anything in with your hate. The picture will come out showing Jamie and her son swinging and the police reports will also back that up. I think you may benefit from a little BOM time yourself.

by Football1 on Dec 1, 2009 8:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That's right

Ms. Whitt started swinging for no reason.

Dude, you’re ridiculous.

by MeanBobMean on Dec 2, 2009 1:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the fact you are a metal head says it all

by Football1 on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Of course it does...

but what does that say about you and your inability to use the reply button and put together a coherent sentence?

You don’t know me zoob. Better quit now while you’re ahead.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 30, 2009 8:32 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

And you don't know me

So where does that leave us? Please reply with a coherent sentence as I am dying to see your fine mind at work.

by Football1 on Nov 30, 2009 8:39 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Why not stop trolling.

That’s a start, right?

by JazzyUte on Nov 30, 2009 9:02 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Why do we always feed the trolls?

Annoying yappy dog? Stop feeding it, it will go away.

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by utesfan100 on Dec 1, 2009 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

The zoob's about to blow his lid.

Lay off the poor lil’ guy. It took a lot of courage for him to come to this blog and speak his mind. It’s okay lil’ coug. Go relish on your win this year and your upcoming 50 year national championship tribute game. At least you’ve got that going for you.

by JKite on Dec 1, 2009 12:43 AM MST reply actions 0 recs

Don't let facts get in the way of your opinion now...

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705348297/2-citations-issued-at-Y-U-game.html?pg=2

If Max Hall felt so-inclined to lambast the Ute fans who alleged harassed his family. I’m inclined to believe so, because my experience has been similar. Here’s some examples:

I’ll agree that both Ute and Cougar fans have the capacity to be terrible fans. I’m a Kings fan first and foremost and went to several Kings-Jazz games at the Delta Center(dating myself now!) I know Jazz fans tend to comprise a lot of Ute AND Cougar fans, and I remember distincting going to a game 2 playoff game where I had fans shooting spit wads at me, yelling and throwing coins and stuff at me. I’ll paint a scene, I wore a Kings jacket and hat and cheered my team on. That’s IT. I didn’t harass neighbors, I didn’t boo the Jazz I was simply a fan of my team. And that was the respect I was shown from Jazz fans.

I also remember a game I went to where, Chris Webber got a questionable foul call his way that sent him to the line that won the game for the Kings only to see the Jazz faithful PELTING the officials with debris as they exited the court.

I also remember a BYU game where the officials literally handed the game to the opposition only to see debris chucked at the officials from the stands as they exited the field. So it’s not solely a ute or cougar thing. It’s BOTH.

These are just a FEW examples in my experience amongst fans of teams from Utah. I went to BYU-UTAH games as well. I acknowledge that both sides have fans with issues…but what I take issue with this fanpost is that it’s false. It’s not accurate.

If you’re going to spout off, at least use facts. Were you there? Did you witness it? Do you have eye-witnesses that counter that of the police report? Then don’t spout off false claims.

While any scuffle lacks class, OBVIOUSLY. Jamie Whittingham was hardly targeted. She happened to be near a scuffle that so-happened to be instigated by a man somehow associated with the Ute(whether fan, trainer, player i don’t know).

I enjoy rivalries, but I’ve noticed in my own personal encounters with utah-affiliated teams that class and sportsmanship is lacked. It’s funny that one side or the other tries to place the blame on the other, or justify it’s stance by the behavior of the other. Both sides suck, plain and simple. But let’s not exacerbate the problem by spreading false reports, shall we.

by Smills91 on Dec 1, 2009 7:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Facts

I have talked to a first hand witness who was there and that is the honest truth. It is a situation that got out of hand, no doubt. Both sides should have handled things differently and he clearly admitted that. But there is fault on both sides. No one on this blog wants to admit that any Ute fan has ever done anything they should not have. BYU fans can be knuckleheads, no doubt. But for the Ute fans to use the bag they wore in the 1980’s when the football there was so unwatchable, to blind themselves to the fact that a Ute fan could be out line is getting ridiculous. I have two very good friends/neighbors that are Ute fans. We all live outside of Utah now, but all of us came to the conclusion that something needs to be done to prevent incidents like this in the future.

by Football1 on Dec 1, 2009 8:43 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Nonsense

“No one on this blog wants to admit that any Ute fan has ever done anything they should not have.”

That’s a diaper load of poo little man.

Everyone on this blog has said repeatedly that out of control Utah fans should change and should be corrected.

What we have said, repeatedly, is guiys like you are justifying Hall’s stupidity and Hall is an idiot for syaiong only Utah fans do that crap.

You want to excuse him, go right ahead, that’s your problem, not mine; but don’t put words in our mouth because if you did this really weird thing called reading you’d see we’ve stated over and over that there are outta control fans on both sides.

Please educate yourself in the current dialogue before opening your mouth, please.

by MeanBobMean on Dec 2, 2009 1:25 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Educate yourself

and take a look at the dialogue before making a comment. I never mentioned anything about Max Hall, I don’t excuse his spout off by any means. It was a poor choice of words and takes away from the game. But here is a link of a favorite QB of yours saying almost an identical thing about BYU and taking a cheap shot at the LDS church. While it may be a few years old, the context is the same. There is your education.

Alex Smith ""I really hate them. Playing in the game helped me understand. They are the most arrogant people. It’s the whole church and state thing. They’re the ‘good kids’. We’re the ‘bad kids.’ I didn’t feel it in my gut last year like I do now."

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=maisel_ivan&id=1927159

by Football1 on Dec 2, 2009 6:49 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey Pal

That’s a diaper lod of poo, period.

We all said both sides do it, you posted a lie, a damned lie.

Get it?

Wake up, or step off—your choice mate. Simple error on your part, acknowledge and keep dialoguing or get angrieer and more childish and go somewhere else.

It’s simple.

by MeanBobMean on Dec 2, 2009 8:05 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Read the link

Are you familiar with how to open a link? Did you read it? Also, where is the lie? It appears you need to wake up or step off. Also, use the spell check, your fine tuned typing/spelling skills are beginning to show.

by Football1 on Dec 2, 2009 8:31 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Get Lost!

K dude, we get it. You like trolling other peoples blogs and teaching grammar lessons. Now take your arrogant attitude and move it back where it belongs – the cougar blog. Who the hell are you and why are you getting so butt hurt about how Ute fans feel about Hall and whatever else you’re so sensitive about? Is this your first year as a BYU fan or something? Don’t you know that this shit happens every year?! Get over it.

by JKite on Dec 2, 2009 11:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, Einstein

Are you familiar with the English language?

We all said both sides do it, said it since the game.

Then you come in here and you stated:

"No one on this blog wants to admit that any Ute fan has ever done anything they should not have."

OK, so it doesn’t matter what you want to trot out, we’ve already acquiesced to the culpability of our side due to the behavior of our tam and fans.

That is to say, you got nothing except your desire to explain away your boy’s behavior by pointing fingers, which is what Hall tried to do, and which is why everyone is calling you guys whining infants.

Read it all again mate, and see can you get it through your thick head. Now, you are welcome to pretend you have a point, but I noted right outta the box that you were wrong about your comment and your still trying to say "but my comment, my comment, it is so pretty and wonderful you all have to accept it . . ."

We accepted that before you stuck your head in here, got it yet? I mean, why can’t you grasp that? Have your big brother read it for you and explain it.

We’re done here.

Peace.

by MeanBobMean on Dec 3, 2009 8:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I can come to terms with what you are saying.

Just as you feel that the Jamie Whittingham ordeal got tossed and turned and over-exaggerated (which it probably did), I feel that Max Hall’s allegations have, too, been blown way out of proportion. Where is Max Hall’s family sitting that is causing them to have beer thrown all over them? The front row of the MUSS? You would think that if they weren’t in the BYU section that they would be in the seatbacks with all the rich old people who hate rowdy Utah fans just as much as any BYU fan. Maybe they did have some beer spilled on them. Drunk people forget how to hold their drinks. I’m sure BYU fans aren’t used to facing such an ordeal, but believe me, ute fans have gotten beer spilled on them before too. And please don’t act like people don’t throw things at LE stadium. I had a friend get nachos dumped on his head there. Hall’s family got physically assaulted? I’m sure it was the same type of physical assault Jamie Whittingham was involved in. They had to get a police escort to their car? Didn’t every BYU player and their family get escorted to their cars? Don’t the Utah players get escorted to their cars or bus after their games at LE? Of course, you are on the opposing side of a heated rivalry.

Fact of the matter is, Max Hall had a huge chip on his shoulder after throwing 5 interceptions last year at the game and hearing about it unceasingly throughout the year. And you could tell that with the way he played (never throwing a long ball, and making sure that the ball was so far away from Utah defenders that he missed his own receivers too). Honestly though, how can you not expect to get crap for throwing 5 interceptions?! He got crap about that from his own fans too. And all that built up anger and frustration from being so embarrassed about the fact came vomiting out of his mouth on Saturday like a breaching dam that couldn’t hold it back any longer. Honestly though, I don’t really care. Am I surprised that people at BYU hate Utah? No. Nor am I surprised that Utah fans tend to hate BYU. Poor sportsmanship, but not really surprising. If you want to prove me wrong, then don’t play into the holier-than-thou stereotype. Admit it, BYU fans suck too.

by JKite on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

"Admit it, BYU fans suck too"

I think I did. I think it goes past a COUGAR-UTE thing, and think it’s more an entire UTAH as a state in general thing. I’ve been quite unimpressed by the sportsmanship on BOTH sides.

by Smills91 on Dec 2, 2009 4:20 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

It is a state wide issue. In my family and amongst friends who have unimpachable character I’ve heard hatred tossed about for both lDS and non LDS alike. Both sides made it an issue, time to grow the hell up.

I think publically calling for Utah fans ot dress in Cougar blue at RES next year is a great idea.

by MeanBobMean on Dec 3, 2009 9:08 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

It's not going to change

That’s the way it is. Unfortunately, there is truth in stereotypes. And everyone is getting so defensive because they don’t want to admit that they are associated with those stereotypical fans or players. But, the Utes will always have obnoxiously rowdy and unclassy fans and BYU will always have those arrogant high-nosed fans. That doesn’t mean everyone is, although that’s how many portray it, but they are there and always will be.

Now, that being said, I think you Cougar fans are a little lost and need to get back to your own blog. This is ours, and we can say whatever the hell we want.

by JKite on Dec 2, 2009 7:37 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

a "Utah thing"??

I’m sorry – it’s a SPORTS thing. Utah does not hold the monopoly on bad sportsmanship. Every rivalry in the nation is nasty – end of story. Professional sports, college sports… fans are everywhere that get out of control. Please let’s not act like it only happens in Utah.

by pb619 on Dec 4, 2009 4:17 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

No it most certainly is not a 'SPORTS THING'

I currently live in Kentucky and it’s a heated-bitter rivalry(between Louisville and Kentucky), but there’s still CLASS, there is still dignity, there’s still sportsmanship. Sure teams and fans like to taunt and razz, but it doesn’t cross the line like it does in Utah(where I lived for 5 DREADFUL years).

So don’t go telling me a ‘sports’ thing when it’s not. It’s part of the culture in Utah and it needs to end. There’s a lack of class and respect between the fans on both sides.

by Smills91 on Dec 9, 2009 8:31 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs