BSU hires PR firm to help with BCS bid
by JazzyUte on Nov 5, 2009 4:12 PM MST
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What are your thoughts on this? I find it interesting the Broncos pretty much are conceding they won't get into the BCS without a little help if TCU goes undefeated this season.
It's pretty surprising how fast they've been pushed out of the picture since their huge win over Oregon earlier in the year. From what I remember, it was pretty much a forgone conclusion Boise State would get a BCS bid if they defeated the Ducks to open the season.
Well that doesn't appear to be likely unless the Frogs lose or a few surprises happen along the way.
Which suggests the Broncos are probably very likely to be banging down the door to the Mountain West if they are once again refused a spot by a team from our conference. If you recall, the same happened in 2004 when Utah busted the BCS and again last year (they lost to TCU in the Poinsettia Bowl).
Unless BCS inclusion is guaranteed, is there a point bringing Boise State into the fold? The conference seems to be doing well enough and I find it hard to imagine expansion happening if the Mountain West isn't promised a spot in the Bowl Championship Series.
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Wow..
How about just scheduling somebody? Take a one and done with a Power school. Its a huge risk I know, but if you think you can win a BCS bowl, you should be able to win one of these games.
UC Davis, Miami Ohio and Bowling Green just don’t cut it when TCU plays @ Clemson and Virginia, plus a tough conference schedule.
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by Michael Rueckert on Nov 5, 2009 4:18 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
They are scheduling up
In the future they are scheduling up some but there are also schools that will not risk playing them or Utah. There are schools like USC and Alabama who look for such games.
BSU Upcoming Schedules Include:
2010
9-6 Virginia Tech @Landover, MD
9-11 Toledo
9-18 @ Wyoming
9-25 Oregon State
2011
9-17 @ Toledo
9-24 Tulsa
TBA Utah
TBA Wyoming
2012
8-30 Bowling Green
9-15 @ Oregon State
9-22 Brigham Young
9-29 @ Utah
2013
9-7 @ Brigham Young
9-28 Utah
2014
9-6 Brigham Young
2015
9-12 @ Brigham Young
by MeanBobMean on Nov 6, 2009 6:20 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Their 2010 schedule isn't bad, but an undefeated MWC team still has a stronger resume.
They are going to have to take one time games like they did when they played at Georgia. Until they do that, they are going to have to hope they are the only undefeated team.
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by Michael Rueckert on Nov 6, 2009 12:35 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends
If it’s like TCU’s schedule this season, who had a decent schedule on paper but caught two ACC teams sucking wind and failing badly, the BSU season might win out—especially if they beat both OSU and VTech and those two have decent seasons.
Boise has to have an undefeated season no matter who they play OOC, no one will take them seriously with two losses to tough outside teams but a flawless record against the Utah state’s and UC Davis’s of the world.
If this year is any measure, TCU will arguably play a weaker OOC schedule next year than BSU (Texas Tech is their only OOC game of any consequence and they are a hit and miss squad annually), Oregon alone makes BSU’s OOC schedule this year tougher on paper (although as good as BSU is and as well as they prepare, I’d like to have seen them have to go into Clemson who has the size and speed BSU cannot match).
One thing about it is, Boise’s conference schedule looks to actually be getting less difficult, Nevada isn’t as tough as first thought, a supposedly improved and resurgent San Jose did not show up as advertised, Hawaii has fallen apart, Fresno is stalling and starting to fall—while the MWC seems to be improving annually except in Vegas. If this trend continues then sure, Boise will never catch up. But it is hard to imagine Boise’s schedule getting any worse in conference—the WAC is miserable this year.
But, say they go undefeated next year, the “cupcake schedule” argument looks less firm. Playing two teams from decent conferences—two teams that beat or compete well with everyone they play—is no small feat. I think VTech looks tough for them, too much power and speed on the lines every year.
by MeanBobMean on Nov 6, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
If Utah goes undefeated, they're in regardless.
A home game against Pitt (who’ll probably start the season ranked) and a road game against ND trump Virginia Tech (who might be in a rebuilding mode next year).
Add TCU and BYU, along with AFA and possibly an improving SDSU team and you’ve got a schedule that’ll easily beat out BSU’s and deliver Utah the BCS slot next year if they happen to go undefeated.
by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2009 1:44 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
All I can say is that
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by The_Kaiser on Nov 5, 2009 5:13 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t feel bad if they miss out again, they knew they would have to have more quality wins this year to make the BCS. Beating Oregon on your blue turf isn’t going to be enough to hang your hat on. They needed to go on the road vs. a big school. They’ve been in denial about the strength of their schedule but it’s really starting to bite them.
by utahmanami on Nov 5, 2009 7:56 PM MST reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to add Boise and go to 10.
10 is a horrible number for a conference. 9 is good, 12 is fine, but 10 is awful because you either play 9 conference games, so you only have 3 OOC games, which is very bad for the MWC teams who want to get into the BCS (Utah, BYU, TCU) and is horrible for AF (since they have to play Army and Navy every year). The other option is you don’t play one team a year, which is better but your top teams are still beating up on each other every year.
Personally, I like 12. We need another Texas-area team, like Houston, and if we’re adding Boise they’ll need a travel partner too, like Fresno (my choice) or UNR (not as good, but an option).
If we’re expanding, I think we should go to 12. That being said, I don’t see any reason to add Boise, make things tougher on ourselves, and potentially remove the MWC from the BCS talk because every team will have 1-3 losses unless it gets us an auto-bid. Asking a team to go undefeated through Utah, Boise, BYU and TCU in order to get a BCS game is unrealistic. It’s hard enough with just 3 of us.
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by displacedute on Nov 6, 2009 9:49 AM MST reply actions 0 recs
I like Boise State. I like 12 better than 10.
No rule states the MWC would need to play a full round robin.
We could go Big 10 and allow schools to maintain 2-3 historical rivalries and rotate the remaining 6-7 teams each year. Allowing two traditional rivalries and six additional games would cylce all seven teams twice over 14 years with six home and away games with each team.
Alternately, and better, the teams not playing each year would be determined by the previous years standigns by removing the highest and lowest ranked pair that is not an historic rivalry and any pair that is the only non-rival left for a team until all such games are determined.
- would not play #10, #2 and #9 etc. unless they were historical rivals.
Or we go PAC 10 and reduce the out of conference games to three per year and deal with the extra home game half the teams get in alternating years.
Boise State, Houston and Tulsa. Any takers?
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by utesfan100 on Nov 6, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Tulsa?
They are pretty good. I just have nightmares of the old WAC creeping back into the picture here.
by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2009 12:15 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Tulsa because
prior to this season they are the only team other than Hawaii that would have added BCS value to the MWC.
They have nosedived this year however. Nevada and Fresno State are closing fast. All three are behind Air Force.
I really think it is best to take Boise State now and wait and allow the next 4-5 teams that deserve consideration to have an opportunity to prove themselves over time. Boise State has done this.
But I like your “Old Wac” idea…
The Fiesta Bowl was formed so the old WAC could have a bowl game for their top teams. Back then the WAC was the MWC + two nobodies from Arizona.
Lets take the Fiesta Bowl back for the MWC and WAC champions. The Big 12 can go pout in the Cotton Bowl.
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by utesfan100 on Nov 6, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with boise, houston and tulsa.
12 is a good number. then we could have a conference cg. with this many good teams and having an aq bcs conference someone could go undefeated and get to the ncg. we would be even with pac-ten and big ten and would have surpassed acc and big east.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 6, 2009 1:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I pretty much agree.
I don’t want to sound like we’re running away from the Broncos, but I think even the Broncos would concede there would be a far tougher row to hoe with them in the conference.
Would we be creating too hard of a conference? Unless there is a BCS bid guaranteed, I’m thinking we’d just be shooting ourselves in the foot each year.
by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2009 12:08 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless we go to 12 and you can put Boise/TCU on one side and Utah/BYU on the other.
Which makes for some interesting divisions.
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by displacedute on Nov 6, 2009 12:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see it happening right now.
BSU needs the MWC more than the MWC needs BSU.
It’s pretty much our version of the Pac-Ten. We want to expand, but they don’t need us quite yet. Especially if Oregon is a lasting power.
by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2009 1:46 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
No
We would be creating a conference no one could ignore. Say one of those teams wins out and one has only one loss, to the conference champ, some years you have two potential BCS teams, not 1.
by MeanBobMean on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if that happens, though.
Look at last year. TCU didn’t get a BCS bid and they were in the top-ten when Utah beat them (I think).
That was with a lot of 1-loss teams, too.
by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2009 1:45 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Err, my bad...TCU had one loss prior.
But even if they had been undefeated, I don’t see them getting a bid, as well.
by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2009 1:47 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets think about this again...
If TCU had BEAT OKLAHOMA last year whould Utah have been left out of the NCG?
How much more if Utah had also beaten Bosie State?
With Boise State the MWC becomes a BCS conference in 2012. I am certain of this, though the point is arguable.
If they get 4 10-2 or better teams they will be right their with three top 15 teams and a likely second team in a BCS bowl.
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by utesfan100 on Nov 6, 2009 1:51 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
It's all speculation...
Maybe we play BSU on the road last year and lose and the Broncos fall at TCU.
I don’t know. Too many scenarios. Though had we been in the current MWC and TCU beat Oklahoma and Utah beat TCU, yeah…we’re in the NC game.
Regardless if BSU is in the conference or not.
If it is a guarantee like you say, bring ‘em in. But I don’t know if it is.
by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
if boise goes 13-0 (extra game this year) and tcu goes
12-0 tcu gets automatic bid, there is already grumbligs on brono nation that it would be the third year they got overtaken by a mwc team. they will want in the mwc and so would hoston and tulsa. why is anybody scared of the competition. the sec does it week in week out. lets aim high and we will be rewarded. jesse palmer, second espn analyst to say tcu and boise both deserve bids if they go undefeated. kirk herbstreit was the first one to say publicly. expect more as season winds down.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 6, 2009 3:09 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs
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