The BCS question:

by GambitUte on Nov 8, 2009 2:28 PM MST Comment 11 comments

Well folks it's finally here, the match up that most likely will decide the champion of the MWC. Utah vs TCU. Lot's of talk has been with TCU and rightly so, They are dominating the competition and have an inside track into busting the BCS. their one road block however, is the last team to go BCS bowling: Utah.

I've been browsing on several sites, and have found several comments (probably from TCU or Cougar fans) that it is in Utah's best interests to lose at Fort Worth cause if the Utes pull off the upset, they will cost the MWC a bowl berth and millions of dollars. In answer to these folks I say HOGWASH!.

Let's get one thing strait boys: the players on the Utes team couldn't give a rats a** about "costing the MWC millions" they don't see a cent of that money. To them, its all about the game and the rivalry. you NEVER just lose because the fans and media thinks it's in your best interests. On that same thought, why would you want your rival to thrive at your expense?. I guarantee you BYU was fired up in 2004 and 2008 to throw the monkey wrench in Utah's BCS plans.

My point is players don't care about the off-field politics, they take care of business on the field and let the media, and the rankings worry about the rest . Utah is gonna give this game everything they got and won't hold back just cause TCU is the BCS darlings.

GO UTAH!!!!!!!

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To the players this is hogwash.

The added BCS $$$ break down like this:

If TCU or BYU go to the BCS Utah gets $0.5 Million
If Boise State goes to the Utah gets $0
If Utah goes to the BCS they get $4.5 Million

If Boise State wins out it is $0.5 Million in our favor to lose. If Boise State gets a loss it will have been $4.0 Million in our favor to win. If Bosie State loses more than once in eight years from where they are now, it is in our best interest to win.

With 4 conference games and Boise State at 23-1 in their last 24 conference games it is a wash.

WIN BABY WIN!

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by utesfan100 on Nov 8, 2009 2:38 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

Actually . . .

. . . if Boise State goes to the BCS Utah gets like $100,000. The non-AQ conferences have a revenue-sharing agreement whenever any of them go to the BCS game. The team that goes gets approximately 40%, that team’s conference gets 20% to split up, and the other 40% is given to the other four conferences. I’m not sure how the 40% is split up, but I think it’s by team and not by conference (so each team gets an equal share). 40% of 14.5 million is $5.8 million. Divide that by 9 MWC teams, 12 CUSA teams, 13 MAC teams, and 9 Sun Belt teams and you get about $134,000 per school.

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by displacedute on Nov 9, 2009 10:33 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I would love to see a reference.

The figures I gave above are amounts over the $100,000 we would get if no one went.

The first 9 million is split roughly evenly by the conferences. The additional 9 million for getting a teams in goes to the conference of that team.

In the WAC and MWC the participating team get half the additional money and the rest of the confernece splits the other half.

Thus the team that goes gets about 26%, the rest of thier confernece splits 34% and the remaining conferences about 40%.

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by utesfan100 on Nov 9, 2009 12:26 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Either way, the remaining teams in the other conferences (which are my only concern) get about $134k.

The amount given to Boise is irrelevant, because the non-BCS teams only get to split that money if one of us goes. Still, there is some money to lose, but it’s not like Boise winning out destroys us. It’s just less money.

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by displacedute on Nov 9, 2009 2:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

TCU surely didn't give in against us last year.

This team’s number one goal is to win the Mountain West. It was last year and it is again this year. The BCS and what happens after that is secondary. Kyle Whittingham wants his team to be the lone conference champion…even if it means they crush TCU’s BCS dreams.

I’ll also tell you every player wants to do that. Sure, it might be better for the conference if TCU wins, but to those players, they want to make national news. They want to be the team known as the one who ended the run.

Let’s also not forget that Utah is still playing for a BCS bowl. A win here would push them up the rankings and they’d have a legitimate case to at least get a bid along with Boise State.

Regardless, as utesfan100 says – WIN BABY WIN!

by JazzyUte on Nov 8, 2009 3:30 PM MST reply actions 0 recs

I think Utah and Boise both have a shot to be the 2nd non-AQ team in a BCS game in the same year.

If Utah wins out from here, that would mean two wins over top 25 teams, #4 TCU and #20ish BYU. We’d be 24-1 over the past 25 games, including the fresh-on-everyone’s mind win over Alabama in last year’s sugar bowl. We’d be in the top 10, maybe higher depending on how things play out. I think that Utah team gets picked up since the other pickings at the top are slim. Ohio State can help us out by beating Iowa and getting into the Rose Bowl, because no one is picking Iowa as an at-large, but Ohio State and Penn State are both easy picks for most of the games.

Remember, the selection order goes like this if UF/Alabama and Texas are in the title game (let’s say the SEC winner is #1 and Texas is #2):

1- Rose Bowl takes Big10/Pac 10 because they’re required to. Game is Oregon/USC/Arizona v. Ohio State
2- Orange Bowl still takes the ACC winner. Looks like Ga Tech right now, maybe Miami. Miami winning would be good for us because GA Tech does not have the same level of fanbase and probably won’t be picked as an at-large.
3- Sugar Bowl gets to replace UF/Alabama. They’ll take the SEC loser.
4- Fiesta Bowl gets to replace Texas. Who on earth will they take?
5- Orange Bowl to take on ACC champ.
6- Sugar to take on Alabama/UF loser.
7- Fiesta with last pick.

More than half of the spots are probably taken. USC winning the PAC 10 (which will require a couple more Oregon losses) would help, because they’re a likely at-large choice. That or USC losing another game and being knocked out of eligibility. Also, Oregon winning over Arizona would be good, because Arizona is not a big traveling fanbase although we might have to worry about the Fiesta taking them as an at large (currently they’re 17th so another loss might keep them out of the running).

So, let’s say Utah wins, Ohio State beats Iowa and there are not any other upsets in the near future. The end-of-the season BCS standings look like this:

1- UF (SEC Champ)
2- Texas
3- Cincy (Big East Champ)
4- Alabama
5- Boise
6- GA Tech (ACC champ)
7- LSU
8- USC (not PAC 10 champ)
9- Ohio State (Big 10 champ)
10- Utah
11- Oregon (Pac 10 champ)
12- Miami (Pitt falls after losing to Cincy)
13- Houston
14- TCU

That’s all the possible spots.

So, matchups are likely as follows

BCS title: UF v. Texas
Rose: Ohio State v. Oregon
Sugar: Alabama v. Cincy(?) Sugar bowl also might take USC or Miami
Orange: GA Tech v. USC
Fiesta: Boise v. Miami, Cincy, USC.

So notice that another USC and Miami loss would be good for us. Right now I think the at-large picks are Alabama, Miami and USC. Again, if Miami can overtake GA Tech, that would be good for us, but it’s not likely because GA Tech’s only remaining ACC game is Duke. Miami losing to UNC or USF is more likely, but we need it to be big and they need to be knocked out of the top 14. USC has UCLA, Stanford and Arizona left. Those are all losable games, but we don’t want them to lose to Arizona (that would probably put Arizona in the top 14 unless they lose to Cal or ASU first, along with Oregon).

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by displacedute on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 AM MST up reply actions 0 recs

I certainly agree ...

If Boise STate goes undefeated:

If we win out our chances of going to the BCS are equal to what Bosie State’s are if TCU goies undefeated.

I think a #8 Utah might go over a #14 Arizona.

Don’t forget that Arizona still has Oregon and Stanford. Both of those are very losable games. Oregon beating Arizona, with Arizona beating USC, would significantly boost Utah’s chances.

Your take on picks 5-7 are off. The order this year is Orange-Fiesta-Sugar.

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by utesfan100 on Nov 9, 2009 12:42 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry...

Your order was right, but the Orange bowl pick is after they take the ACC champion.

They would have the first at-large pick.

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by utesfan100 on Nov 9, 2009 12:48 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs

That's what I put.

Rose bowl/Orange bowl take their “anchor teams” first, then Sugar (replace UF), then Fiesta (replace Texas), then Orange #2, then Sugar #2, then Fiesta #2.

Technically there is an additional rule that the Sugar bowl can’t take a Big 12 team unless the Fiesta bowl agrees, but that won’t be a problem this year.

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by displacedute on Nov 9, 2009 2:50 PM MST up reply actions 0 recs