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I originally posted this at Trackemtigers (Auburn), and then decided to broaden my horizons and proceeded to ask one school from each of the major conferences for their opinions.  I realized earlier today, I should have included you.  Please, don't be offended for being last, and please let me know what you think!

 

P.S.  Excuse the constant references to the SEC

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 I come to Tiger Territory because I am curious.  Spending much of my time at www.californiagoldenblogs.com I feel I have become overwhelmed with certain left coast viewpoints.  I thought I’d move east for some outside opinions.  I am not here to talk trash, and I’m hoping for responses with more depth than S-E-C … S-E-C… Rah-rah-rah!  After reviewing some of the SEC websites, I chose Auburn because you seem like a good bunch and are fairly level-headed.  The following are some general questions I have about Pac-10 football, if you have an opinion or response, I’d love to hear it.  Again, I’m not here to plug the Pac-10, or get into an internet fight, but rather to obtain an outside opinion.  I just want to gage the general sentiment of the public over yonder, and don’t need thorough arguments supported by a series of statistics.  If you are curious, my loyalties are with Cal.  Also, if have questions you want to ask a left coaster feel free to ask.  Oddly enough, I just read your new front page material and you already covered some of my questions.

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East Coast Bias – I’d guess about a quarter of the regulars at Cal’s site fully believe in East Coast bias, particularly when it comes to recruiting rankings.  The basic premise claims simple demographics (78% of the country’s population living in the eastern and central time zones) and geography (west coast time delay) leads to greater coverage and publicity for schools in the eastern and central time zones.  The greater publicity and coverage leads to better preseason rankings, which contributes to a season long trend of higher than earned rankings, as the teams are more likely to face other ranks teams benefitting from the same east coast bias.  Basically, extra coverage leads to higher ranking which leads to higher rankings throughout the conference, at the end of the season it becomes self-fulfilling prophecy.  Do you believe there is some truth to the idea of East Coast bias, or do we just complain a lot?

Scheduling – I believe one of the strengths of the Pac-10 is their aggression in scheduling.  I acknowledge that a school’s strength of schedule is a bit based on luck.  The OOC games are generally set up a few years in advance, and team strength varies from year to year.  For example, Cal played Michigan St. in 2002 and 2008, in 2002 Michigan St. was ranked #15, in 2008 they finished in the top 25, every year in between Mich. St.  was a nobody and finished in the lower half of the Big-10, the fact they were a quality opponent the years we played them was luck.  Generally, with exception to Notre Dame USCum only plays BCS conference teams.  Cal has played Tennessee twice, Maryland, and Michigan St. with Colorado and Ohio St. on the schedule in the coming years.  Oregon, Oregon St. UCLA, all have marquee OOC games this season, even Washington which stupidly scheduled LSU ensuring at least one Pac-10 embarrassment, schedules tough opponents.  What does the SEC think of Pac-10 scheduling?  Do we schedule big games because we have something to prove?  Do you not really care what we do, unless it involves the SEC?  Is it admirable, and more teams should play tougher games? 

Perception of Pac-10 Teams - Without doing research, which Pac-10 schools would you rate as the 5 best over the past 5 years?  Yes, I fully realize U$C has been the best.

Jahvid Best – I was recently youtubing while my girlfriend was packing for the airport, and someone made a video where they rank the Top 15 fastest players in college football.  Jahvid Best was not on the list http://vimeo.com/2744979   I declared some serious shenanigans, I fully believe Best is the fastest player in college football, and I would think anyone that has seen him in space would acknowledge his speed as well.  I also think that Best has the greatest chance to unseat the big 3 of Tebow, McCoy, and Bradford for the Heisman this year, however, I am a Cal homer with a tainted perception.  My question, have you heard of Jahvid Best?  Do you think if by some fluke Tebow, McCoy, and Bradford all went down with injury early, that he’d be the frontrunner for the Heisman?  Doesn’t Best deserve to be on the list of fastest players in college football?

The Mountain West – Much was made of the Mountain West’s 5-2 record against the Pac-10, and deservedly so.  Last year the Mountain West had some very good teams (Utah, TCU, BYU), the Pac-10 also had a down year, particularly the bottom half of the conference.  The Pac-10 consistently plays the Mountain West because of simple geography, we are very much isolated on the West Coast.  Unlike the SEC which has some overlap with the ACC, and Big-10 & 12 schools a modest distance away, our closest BCS conference team is Colorado, which is a two hour flight from the nearest Pac-10 school.  My question is, what do you think of the Mountain West?  I believe that the football conference hierarchy breaks down as follows    Group 1:  SEC, ACC, Pac-10, Big-12, Big-10   Group 2:  Mountain West, Big East   Group 3:  Everyone else.  Are they a flash in the pan?  Are they a legitimate threat to overtake the Big East’s BCS bowl bid?  Do the top teams in the league hide the fact that the league lacks depth?

Anyway, that’s all, as I said many times before, I’m just searching for a little outside perspective.  Please, indulge me in your viewpoint.

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East Coast Bias

That’s an obvious one. I asked Alabama fans about why the SEC never really left the Southeast to play games and they frankly admitted that the conference was pretty much a stay at home gal. One young man took umbrage and defended his conference by saying that just recently, Alabama had travelled all the way to Tallahassee for a game! One also argued taht access to the Sugar Bowl in Louisiana was the same for Utah fans as it was for Alabama fans, which is patently ridiculous.

All the bowls due to weather were played in Souther Climes.

My suggestion was let no team play for the national championship in a familiar venue. Si, if USC and Utah played for the NC make them play in miami. If Alabama and USC played for it, make it in Minneapolis. Make Texas and Syracuse fly to Hawaii, etc., you get the idea.

That was actually funny.

I thiink newer coaches though like Saban are definitely trying to get their team “brand” out in fornt of the nation. Saban seems to be willing to, like Carrol, play anyone, anywhere, anytime.

The media has always been out east, particularly the sporting media. When Utah won the Sugar bowl, what percentage of AP voters admitted they had never seen Utah play a game this last year?I don’t thinkteh PAC-10 had a down year, they may have blown a few games, but Oregon, OSU, Cal and USC were very fine teams. You always have 3-5 strong teams and the rest weaker sisters, you’re never dead tough top to bottom, nor is the Mountain West, the SEC, ACC, etc.

The Pac-10 will never be teh emdia darling unless it schedules, top to bottom, home and home series with SEC and Big-12 teams and beats them regularly. You basically are forced ot fly out east for big games and if you lose, you suck. You have to go there, be better, not just hold your own, to change the perception. Look at what Utah had to do to get partialr ecognition.

by Aardvark on Apr 16, 2009 7:44 AM MDT reply actions  

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I’d say USC, Oregon, Cal, OSU and ASU were the best over the last five years.

I do think your scheduling is more aggressive than teh SEC and ACC for the most part, but I think you need to be more aggressive, that was my point above.

Jahvid Best gets dissed for being at Cal. You know why? People about 5-10 years ago placed enormous expectations on Cal and they came through only marginally.

Mountain West? It’s OK, we’ll never be the Pac-10, I’ll take step child status and occasional moral victories though, I’d rather we were not a big football conference that everyone squandered their time and money on.

by Aardvark on Apr 16, 2009 11:36 AM MDT reply actions  

East coast bias

Last year the MWC and their fans unknowingly undercut their own chances.

By focusing on their 5-1 regular season record vs the PAC 10 the MWC reinforced the idea that the PAC 10 was way down last year.

The circular argument that developed was: Utah beat the PAC 10, but the PAC 10 is down. The PAC 10 is down because they lost so many games to the MWC. The bowls helped reconcile that, but not before it was too late.

Looking back at last year I think only one game kept Utah from the National Championship Game.

The most visible MWC game nationally last year was TCU vs. Oklahoma. As this game was the most watched game it shaped national opinino of the MWC more than any other game. Oklahoma dominated TCU when a few thought TCU could at least make the game interesting. If TCU makes that game interesting last year plays out a bit differently.

The PAC 10 only has three OOC games so they need to make the most of them. Other conferences have 4 games so can afford one off game.

Top 5:
USC, Oregon, Oregon State(recent only, replaces UCLA), ASU, California.

This year I am going to look at conferences in a new way to avoid the mistake of last year. If two conferences play more than 5 crossover games I am going to examine the merged unit against others and count that more than the games between them. The MWC/PAC 10 combined to beat everyone except the Big 12 last year.

by utesfan100 on Apr 25, 2009 7:07 PM MDT reply actions  

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