Are the Utes overrated?
It's not a surprise the Utes are receiving a great deal of preseason praise, I mean, they did just finish the best season in school history. However, how much of that praise is realistic and can Utah live up to these lofty goals?
To show that I am not completely biased as a blogger, I'm going to play the devil's advocate here and find out whether Utah's preseason rankings are a tad bit optimistic.
Firstly, let's start with those rankings. According to Stassen (a great site, by the way), the preseason consensus puts the Utes at 23rd. That actually isn't entirely bad. In fact, it's probably where they will start the season. And if you believe Utah is likely to go 10-3, with losses to Oregon, TCU and BYU, it's probable they finish the season there, too. So in this regard, I actually believe the Utes aren't overrated. In fact, it seems rather believable and realistic to put them 23rd to start the season.
For comparison, BYU is 22nd and TCU 19th -- so an obvious logjam between the three.
Yet if you look at the conference predictions, not just the top-25 rankings, you see a different story.
Here the Utes are predicted to win the Mountain West, with TCU and BYU closely behind. Of the magazines listed, Utah is predicted to finish first by Athlon and The Sporting News, while second by Lindy and third by Phil Steele. As more magazines are added, I do expect these numbers to change, however, for the moment, Utah is sitting at the top of the conference.
And when the conference media poll comes out later this summer, it's probable the Utes find themselves at the top of that one, too.
So we have a top-25 team according to predictions and a probable favorite to repeat as conference champions.
How believable is this?
Well, as I mentioned, it's not very difficult to see Utah finishing the season 23rd, but as we know, preseason polls aren't necessarily a prediction of where a team will finish and more a starting point. So it's very likely these same predictions expect Utah to finish higher than that as the season ends.
To expand on this, we'll address Athlon's ratings. I said they have Utah 1st, but they also put Utah 21st in their preseason top-25. That isn't far off from their average, but how likely is it for Utah to finish 21st in the nation if they win the Mountain West next year? Not likely at all.
Which means we're running into a contradiction here.
A 10-3 Utes team is definitely going to finish anywhere from 25th to 20th, but it's difficult to see them finishing higher, especially if one of those losses comes to BYU, the second to last game of the season (if you include the bowl).
How is this a contradiction? Well if the Utes go 10-3, with two of those losses coming in conference play, they're not winning the Mountain West. Since 2004, every champion has gone undefeated (Utah, TCU, BYU, BYU and Utah). A two-loss champion seems extremely unlikely.
So how can Utah finish around 23rd and then be picked to win the Mountain West, when the consensus has TCU and BYU ranked ahead of them? Well they can't. Which means the Utes will not be the consensus favorite to win the Mountain West. And that really isn't a surprise.
The Utes do lose most of their offense, have had some coaching changes and three extremely tough road games (two of which are in conference play). That's almost a complete 180 from where they were this time last year and even then, they weren't picked to win the conference. A repeat performance is very questionable.
In that regard, I do not believe Utah is overrated and they're definitely not underrated. That puts them at about the right spot. Surprising, since most preseason magazines put them in the 30s last year.
Secondly, let's look at the possible BCS busters. Here Utah isn't a favorite, but they're still batted around as a possibility. I've aready discussed this earlier, but even I conceded in that piece it would require more than Utah might be able to put forth this season for them to bust the BCS again.
Yet their name is still mentioned, even though it would require what appears to be a set of improbable events.
Like finding an offense that can at least somewhat perform at the level as 2008.
And then winning on the road against Oregon.
And then following it up with a road win over TCU.
And finally, winning in Provo.
These are a string of events that just a year ago seemed impossible, but with the glow of last year's 13-0 campaign still bright, it does seem at least a bit realistic, for now, anyway. But that, too, seems to be a bit of an overreaction to last year's events.
Which, in the end, means that I do not believe Utah is being overrated by the media. Ha! Maybe I am too biased to play devil's advocate here, especially when you consider the 2005 season. That year, as much as we'd not want to think about it very much, does seem to be hauntingly familiar.
Utah was coming off an undefeated, BCS busting season.
They had just lost some coaches.
They were the favorites, again, to win the Mountain West.
They had road games against TCU and BYU.
What happened? They went 7-5. Not quite the position they were thought to be in at the start of the season.
Of course, this isn't 2005. Utah still returns its head coach, which can't be downplayed, a solid defense and seems to have far more depth than that season. Even then, the Utes weren't all that bad in 2005, losing every game in the fourth quarter. Had they just been able to line up for a field goal, punched it in on 4th and goal and not lost their composure in a game most thought was a sure-win, they would've finished 10-2. You could even throw in the New Mexico game as a should-have-won and it's an 11-1 finish.
Not bad.
So if 2005 could come close to finishing 11-1, it's not hard to believe these Utes could actually do it.
Hell, maybe they are being underrated.
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Great article.
I like your reasoning. Lets be mindful of the worst happening, yet hope for the best.
GO UTES
by The_Kaiser on Jun 22, 2009 10:08 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Good read and writeup
Have to say I think we could lose 3-4 but I believe we are going to lose 2 games in the regular season, splitting with TCU and BYU. I think Oregon will be too good even though our strength plays to theirs (our D versus their O) it’s likely their defense will be too athletically gifted for our inexperienced O to overcome and if our D is left on the field all day against the Ducks they will not beat us, they will crush us.
by MeanBobMean on Jun 22, 2009 10:14 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going with 3-losses, as well.
I do believe they stand a better chance of finishing with less than three loses than they do of finishing with more than three. I have a hard time finding another loss on the schedule outside of Oregon, TCU and BYU.
Air Force, at home, should be a victory.
San Diego State, at home, should be a victory.
New Mexico, at home, should be a victory.
Wyoming, at home, should be a victory.
Utah State, at home, should be a victory.
Louisville, at home, should be a victory.
Colorado State, on the road, again should be a victory (probably the 4th hardest game, though).
UNLV, on the road, should be a victory.
San Jose State, on the road, should be a victory.
That’s nine wins right there.
If I had to rank those other games from hardest to easiest…
CSU
UNLV
New Mexico
SJSU
Air Force
SDSU
Louisville
Wyoming
Utah State
And really, I can’t see Utah losing any of those games. Do you?
by JazzyUte on Jun 22, 2009 2:37 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
They won’t lose to those lower tier teams this year.
I think Whittingham has turned a mental corner and has the team believing in him and themselves in a way they did not immediately after Meyer.
I honestly think we split with TCU and BYU. TCU feels they owe us, their problem being they may be snakebit against us.
BYU is too slow. There is no reason we cannot be 11-1 going into a bowl. It depends entirely on how our O-line comes together. Frankly, last year’s offense was sufficient and only really great in a few games and situations. Our O could be better this year. Good enough by game 3? I’m thinking not. But we might have a good team again. Ludwig relied to much on a few plays to “save” Johnson. it really was almost a power I game or old pro set I, not a spread as much. A few wrinkles could make them dangerous.
by MeanBobMean on Jun 23, 2009 8:16 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the OL is going to be fine.
My concerns about this team are (in order from most concerning to least):
1- QB play
2- CB play
3- Kicking
4- WR play (we lose our top 3 WR, but the guys waiting are impressive, especially Reed and Brooks)
5- OL cohesiveness (we get 3 of 5 back, so that’s not bad)
I’m not at all worried about RBs, LBs, or DL.
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by displacedute on Jun 23, 2009 12:18 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Yeah, good thinking there as well. The QB really could be the key. However, whil BJ was a great college QB because of his speed and competitiveness, he had a so-so arm.
If our O-line gels, the QBs get enough time to improve and can hand off the ball more than having to be the kingpin.
If the CBs are there, look out world. We will need them against OU and BYU. TCU will be a smash mouth game and I expect the stacked box will be most important there.
Here’s a prediction: our Receivers this year will be as good, it will be the QBs who determine their stats, not they themselves.
by MeanBobMean on Jun 25, 2009 6:42 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Utah is under rated.
My full thoughts on the top 25 can be found here.
- End promotion -
A better preseason estimator can be found at LSUFootball.net.
TCU, Utah and North Carolina are all close between 18-20.
I see Utah, Ole’ Miss and Boise State all being identical and should start near where Boise State is.
Honestly I think that talent and personality wise Ole’ Miss is the SEC team that most resembles Utah.
I see Utah finishing 11-2, with a win over Oregon, splitting with BYU and TCU and a conference slip up along the way. That should be a top 20 finish, maybe top 15 if the stray loss is early enough.
Here are a list of goals for 2009:
Win a Bowl game
Win 10 games
Beat BYU
Win a share of the MWC title
- 3 of these 4 are needed for 2009 to be a successful year.
Bonus round:
Make a BCS bowl (possible with even a single loss)
Go undefeated
Make the NCG
by utesfan100 on Jun 22, 2009 12:34 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the link.
11-2 would be nice. Though, I’d rather lose to Oregon and say TCU than beat Oregon and lose to TCU along with like Colorado State.
As I mentioned under MeanBobMean’s post, I have a hard time seeing losses outside of those three key games. Maybe CSU, but they have some issues on offense.
So who slips Utah up in conference play not named BYU/TCU? New Mexico? UNLV?
by JazzyUte on Jun 22, 2009 2:40 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
Even if Utah loses to Oregon and goes unscathed through conference play, they could make the BCS. It might even be possible to lose to TCU and beat everyone else to get there as long as TCU has more losses than that. The way I see it the most losses we should get this year is two, Oregon and TCU. Any more than that would be bad. I know everyone thinks BYU will be good but we killed them last year. Their offense had nothing on our defense and that should be the same this year.
To comment on what MeanBobMean said though, that the Ducks D will be too good for our inexperienced O. Hopefully by the third week of the season our O is a little more experienced. I know the two games before aren’t really tough games. San Jose State isn’t bad at home though. It will be a little warming up for our offense hopefully and they can decide what works and what doesn’t.
As for JazzyUte being the Devil’s advocate…you are biased…but it doesn’t matter, that’s your job on this site. Good article though.
GO UTES!!
by Jman87 on Jun 22, 2009 2:06 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure why everyone is so pro-Oregon this year.
Masoli is great, but he’s also injury-prone and has to play behind a completely new Offensive Line. Plus their defense loses its entire line as well. I think we’ll be able to run pretty well on Oregon, and if that’s true then you know our Defense will have a field day. I think the Oregon game is probably the third or fourth toughest game, depending on how tough Air Force and CSU will be this year.
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by displacedute on Jun 22, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
My reasons...
- It’s early in the season. Maybe all the kinks won’t be worked out by them.
- Oregon is still a solid BCS team, regardless of their issues.
- It’s at Oregon. If the game were here, I’d definitely agree with your point.
Add them together and it becomes a tough situation for the Utes.
With that said, Oregon fans expect to not only win, but blow us away. I don’t agree with that. I think Utah will put up a fight and I wouldn’t be shocked if they pulled out the victory.
But for now, I think a loss to Oregon is very possible.
by JazzyUte on Jun 22, 2009 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying that a loss is impossible.
And it will be early, which could go either way. Both teams will have a chance to get ready, but Oregon is going to have to use their full playbook to try and beat Boise in Boise and we’ve just got to beat USU. Personally I think our DL should have a field day with Oregon and basically be camped out in their backfield. I think 21 pts should win the game for us, and I think we should be able to run all day.
That said, I know what KW’s record is against BCS teams on their home field (2-3) and those three losses were very bad. Nevertheless, we are riding a 2-game winning streak against BCS teams on the road (Louisville and Michigan) so maybe we’ve turned this thing around. I hope so.
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by displacedute on Jun 22, 2009 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was going to wait but
This is my pre-season projection so I reserve the right to go up or down depending on what happens in fall camp. Calling it now I say we go 11 – 2 for 09-10 season, including a bowl win. I think that the Duck get us and TCU gets us. I also see a shared conference championship with TCU and them getting the nod for a BcS trip. Where that puts us in relation to rankings who knows as the AQ Conferences typically get the AP secret handshake and just because we raised so much ruckus in the off-season (and it isn’t through yet) I can see the BcS computers cycling a few extra times so we’re out of the top 15. So much for taking the human out of it as computers are PROGRAMMED by humanoids last I checked, let me check my SDLC, yup we still program computers.
TAO
by WhoAmISir on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see TCU finishing with 2 to 3 losses.
I’ve yet to be sold on them going undefeated, since that is something they have not been able to do under Patterson. I’m not saying he can’t do this, but I think the longer a coach goes without putting together an undefeated season, the more unlikely it gets.
Like remember how we kinda just assumed after 1999 McBride was never going to deliver that undefeated season? Patterson is definitely better than McBride, but maybe he’s not at the level needed to crash the BCS.
So if TCU slips up against Clemson or maybe Virginia and then wins out, they could get it. But if they slip up in either of those games, I expect a loss to either BYU or Utah.
by JazzyUte on Jun 22, 2009 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
2009 Season
Forget all the what-ifs, and get behind the team, game by game! 2009 will be a great year for Utah, and has the potential for phenomenal success. Don’t be so quick to forget the team rising to the occasion, game by game, game after game, to achieve 13-0 last year. I will be cheering our team on IN Eugene on 9/19, with every hope and expectation of a WIN. We must believe to achieve.
Bust the BCS! Undefeated Utah is the true 2008 National Champion!
by UTES#1 on Jun 27, 2009 10:43 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m wearing the Kilt and barbecuing mate.
by MeanBobMean on Jun 29, 2009 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs

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