BCS Trilogy possible for Utah?
In 2005, shortly after Utah wrapped up a season where they finished undefeated and busted the BCS, I wondered if Utah could crash the BCS party again that season.
We found out that maybe those predictions and hopes were a bit ambitious. Utah not only didn't make a BCS bowl game, they didn't even sniff one. A 7-5 season later and Ute fans were more cautious and grounded heading into the 2006 campaign.
Well four years later and we're back to wondering what will follow an undefeated, BCS playin' season. The not wanting to be burned again fan inside of me suspects there is no possible way Utah even puts itself in the position to play in a January bowl game. Yet the fan who didn't believe it was possible this time last year says that -- yes -- it could happen. But history suggests it probably won't.
I say this, unfortunately, because history doesn't favor Utah. In fact, each of the last three times a non-BCS team has busted through the BCS, their encore performance has been anything but impressive.
In 2005, as mentioned, Utah went 7-5. They did manage to win their bowl game, but were never really in contention for a BCS bowl bid outside the first two weeks of the season. In 2007, Boise State went 10-3, lost the WAC and their bowl game on the heels of their dream season. The team they lost the WAC to that year, Hawaii, went a mediocre 7-7 in 2008, losing to Notre Dame on their home field in the Hawaii Bowl.
So Utah, Boise State and Hawaii were a combined 38-1 the years they played in a BCS bowl game, yet followed it up by going only a combined 24-15. That's a sharp decrease over a one-year span and suggests it's very likely Utah not only takes a step back, but possibly a giant one.
With all that said, each team had their varying circumstances post-BCS. Utah & Hawaii had to replace their coaches and a bulk of their offense. That is only half-true for the Utes this year. Boise State had to replace its quarterback, kept its coaching staff and actually were well-positioned for a possible BCS berth had they knocked off Hawaii. That didn't happen and instead, the Warriors went on to face Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, a game they would eventually lose.
But what happened to the Broncos might give insight into what to expect from the Utes this year.
Like Boise State, there will be changes under center. Like Boise State, the Utes kept their much-talked about coach. And like Boise State, they have a huge road game early against a Northwest foe. The Broncos faced Washington -- a game they lost -- and Utah will face the Oregon Ducks in week three.
I mentioned the Broncos lost that game, but they rebounded to win nine straight before losing their final two. Had they defeated Hawaii, it's very likely they earn an at-large bid to the BCS, becoming the first -- and only -- one-loss non-BCS team to play for a BCS bowl.
So what does this all mean for Utah? Well if the Utes do lose to Oregon, it's still possible they rebound and win the remainder of their games. It's no guarantee, especially if Boise State goes undefeated, but it would provide Utah a third BCS bowl game.
Wouldn't that be sweet?
Of course, that means Utah also has to beat TCU and BYU on the road, which might be just as tough -- if not more tough -- than the Oregon game.
And they can't afford to lose either game, even if they defeat the Ducks, since it would most likely come far too late in the season for them to bounce back in the polls. Which means, if Utah is going to accomplish the BCS trifecta, they're going to have to establish themselves early in the season.
The good news here is that Utah will almost certainly start the season in the top-25. That'll give them a boost they didn't even have last season. The bad news is they'll most likely be joined there by TCU and Boise State. Now the Frogs probably wouldn't be an issue, unless they entered the Utah game with one-loss and gave the Utes their first, but Boise State most likely will. The Broncos have an extremely favorable schedule, with their hardest game coming against Oregon at home. As they proved last year, they're very capable of going undefeated in the regular season and it's probably going to happen again this year.
Even with a less than fantastic schedule, an undefeated BSU team will get in over a one-loss Utah team. I think, anyway.
Then again, maybe I'm out of my mind and it just isn't going to happen. I'd wager it probably doesn't, but we have nothing better to do than talk about the possibility, right? Really, I think Utah loses three games this season, but a one-loss finish is not out of the question. And if that loss comes to the Ducks, there is no doubt in my mind Utah will be in contention for a BCS bid once the season ends.
But what do you think?
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Very unlikely this year...
but I’m more than fine with it once every 4 years.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 8, 2009 10:02 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
It'll be interesting to see how things work out the next four years.
I think Utah’s lack of consistent play leading up to 2008 was more about the instability of the program than coaching and talent. What the team had witnessed the three years prior probably rivals any program in terms of bad luck. Once things settled down, though, they were capable of putting together a perfect season.
So will things now stay calm for a few years and if they do, is 2008 really going to be that difficult to replicate?
I guess what I’m trying to say is that it took four years for all the injuries and kinks to work out under Whitt. Now that they have, it might actually happen sooner.
But we’ll see.
by JazzyUte on Jun 8, 2009 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like your reasoning here.
I think that we could have a good chance of doing something this year. However, if we lose to the ducks and meet an undefeated TCU, I think they will bring us our second loss, pushing us out of BCS contention.
All I can say is that I hope Boise State has a rough season.
by The_Kaiser on Jun 8, 2009 11:13 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
TCU might be the trump card in all of this.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they beat Utah and earned a spot in the BCS.
But the Frogs have yet to go undefeated under Patterson and he’s been there now eight years. That doesn’t mean they won’t in the future, but it seems every year they’re close (2002, 2003, 2005, 2006 and last year), but muck it up in one or two games.
Hopefully that trend holds true this season and Utah is one of their two-losses.
by JazzyUte on Jun 8, 2009 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I really feel this is TCU’s year, and they will be the first 1 loss BCS at-large conference qualifier.
I also think an undefeated Big East team has no chance of the title this year, even less than an undefeated MWC team.
by utesfan100 on Jun 8, 2009 10:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best case scenario for Utah, outside of an undefeated season...
Assuming they lose to Oregon…
Win the remainder of their games and hope TCU & BYU are just as good as last year. If the Frogs enter their game undefeated with Utah, it’ll basically be last year’s game in reverse. A Utah victory there, coupled with TCU going 11-1, might be enough to push Utah past Boise State, even if the Broncos are undefeated.
In fact, I think if TCU would have defeated Utah last year, they would’ve received a BCS bid over an undefeated Boise State.
by JazzyUte on Jun 9, 2009 2:58 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be tough but possible.
I know we are worried for the Oregon game but I think the TCU game will turn out to be the bigger game. I like Oregon, they are a tough team and it is a tough place to play especially but I think we can beat them. TCU is going to be our biggest test this year. We might be two undefeated teams going into that game.
We look to have a good enough defense to play with anyone and that will be nice. We know how to get past the TDS and Hall…just stand there and he will throw the ball to you.
We have a good schedule for the chance to go undefeated again. Three really tough games unless our conference steps it up really big again this year. Then it could look to be a tough road. It will be interesting to see how things shake up tho.
GO UTES!!
by Jman87 on Jun 8, 2009 8:35 PM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Undefeated
This team has the talent to run the table, Whittingham seems to have turned the corner on the mental portion, do we get the breaks this year? One bad call or bounce of the ball means a lost game sometimes. Last year we got some breaks, we made many of our own as well. If we get a break or have the same team cohesion and mental toughness? Yes, we’ll run the table. TCU is replacing too much of their D. Much is said about Hughes but he wasn’t unstoppable in our game last year. The Ducks replace many as well, especially on their O-line giving us an advantage: How the Ducks and Horned Frogs come together will be as interesting as how we do. BYU? Too slow, we should own them from here on in, they been lucky to have any wins in the last 4 games with us.
I am really interested in how our offense comes together. If we can move the ball on the ground as well or better than last year, look out.
by MeanBobMean on Jun 10, 2009 8:39 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The problem I have
is that our schedule potentially could be pretty easy and not too challenging. Especially if MeanBobMean is right. I would be hapy for going undefeated again during the season but if our schedule isn’t tough we might not be ready for the bowl game and I wouldn’t want to lose that game. I know Kyle would get the team ready but the past two BCS games we were in was Pittsburgh who wasn’t that tough and we had a really hard schedule this last year and Alabama was just another opponent.
GO UTES!!
by Jman87 on Jun 10, 2009 10:38 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
If we go undefeated again we'll be in the BCS.
Boise’s “signature win” next year will be the same as Utah’s (Oregon). And the other two contenders are on our schedule (TCU and BYU). So if we beat TCU and BYU, plus Oregon, and the WAC is as horrible as usual, Utah will leapfrog Boise by the end of the year based on SOS and past performance.
Let’s assume Utah starts the year at #23 and Boise starts at #14 (combining the preseason polls that I’ve seen into a worst-case scenario).
Week 1: Utah beats USU, moves up a little, Boise beats Oregon, moves up more. Post-week rankings, 21 and 11
Week 2: Utah beats SJSU, moves up a little, Boise beats Toledo, remains static. Post-week rankings, 19 and 11.
Week 3: Utah beats Oregon on the road, moves up a couple, Boise beats UC Davis, remains static. Post-week rankings, 15 and 11.
Week 4: Utah beats Louisville, moves up a little, Boise beats Miami of OH, moves up a little. Post-week rankings, 14 and 10.
Week 5: Utah beats AF, Boise beats SJSU. Boise probably doesn’t move, Utah might if AF is 4-0 or 3-1. Post-week rankings 13 and 10.
Week 6: BCS polls come out, Utah’s SOS already better than Boise’s, BCS poll has them at 12 and 11 (Utah slightly higher than Coaches’ ranking, Boise slightly lower). Utah beats Wyoming, Boise beats NMSU, neither move up.
Week 7: Utah beats New Mexico, Boise beats Idaho. Utah leaps Boise at this point and hangs on for the win. Boise ends up in another crappy mid-tier bowl and gets beat by a ranked non-bcs opponent. Utah goes BCS bowling again. For comparison’s sake, here’s the rest of the schedule:
Week 8: Utah v. SDSU, Boise v. Nevada.
Week 9: Utah v. UNLV, Boise v. LA Tech
Week 10: Utah v. CSU, Boise v. Hawaii
Week 11: Utah v. TCU, Boise v. USU
Week 12: Utah v. BYU, Boise v. Fresno
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Jun 10, 2009 2:58 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right. Utah will be in if they go undefeated.
Boise State is going to hit a ceiling, similar to Hawaii, later in the season. The same thing actually happened in 2006, too. They never got as high as Utah did in 2008.
by JazzyUte on Jun 10, 2009 9:32 PM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we go undefeated in 2009...
We will have beaten:
Top 25: Oregon, TCU, BYU
Bowl teams: Louisville, Air force, San Jose State, New Mexico, Wyoming
Negligible: SDSU, UNLV, CSU, Utah State
This, along with a top 20 start and the Utah brand name, should be enough to get us over any team with a loss in 2009. Only in a case like Auburn in 2004 would Utah be left out.
Any team playing Utah, BYU and TCU has a tougher schedule than Boise State. Any undefeated MWC team would go to a BCS bowl over Boise State. The MWC will start the season with an unprecedented 2 teams in the top 25, with BYU just outside. If BYU does the unthinkable and beat Oklahoma the MWC might as well be given an automatic qualification then.
The Big East will be lucky to get one team ranked to start 2009. They will be starting where the MWC usually starts and be eliminated from the National Championship Game at the preseason polls.
Utah, TCU and BYU have an opportunity to become the first team to crash the National Championship Game from outside the automatic qualifying conferences.
If Boise State loses a game I only see a handful of teams with a schedule hard enough to pass a one loss MWC team for the top at-large conference spot.
Utah, TCU and BYU have an opportunity to become the first team to crash the BCS with a loss.
How ironic is it that the MWC will be the ones lamenting the parity at the top as Utah, TCU and BYU will take turns knocking each other down the rankings? Isn’t that what a major conference complains about.
If USC had to play the likes of Utah, TCU and BYU every year would they have the dominating conference rankings they have come to appreciate?
by utesfan100 on Jun 11, 2009 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Preseason Ranking Preview
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This is an average of a number of different media sources so, like the real pre season polls, is an average of national opinions.
by utesfan100 on Jun 11, 2009 12:17 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
Amazing how much respect we're getting.
We lose most our offense and they’re still ranking us higher than BYU.
haha
by JazzyUte on Jun 11, 2009 3:34 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
Several . . .
Of the teams ahead of us won’t finish as well as predicted. FSU 17th?
No way. They got issues. My bet is Mark Rcht shot his wad at Georgia and becomes the Next Tommy Tuberville within three years.
by MeanBobMean on Jun 12, 2009 6:23 AM MDT up reply actions 0 recs
displacedute
We all kinda figured that if Utah goes undefeated they will beat Boise into the BCS but the problem with that is that it depends on what teams ahead of the two teams you compare in the rankings do. Boise could climb if the teams ahead of them keep losing, but I still think Utah would get in over them. Who knows though, maybe we will see both Utah and Boise in the BCS if that happens.
GO UTES!!
by Jman87 on Jun 12, 2009 11:42 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
The real key is not to get our expectations too high, I believe this 2009 team looks a lot more talented on paper than the 2005 team did, but as Ute fans have learned from sad experience, talent alone does not always win conference titles. This 2009 team is senior heavy and should play really well. The two biggest keys this year will be how well our new quarterback adjusts and how well the kicking game will be with the loss of King Louie.
by GambitUte on Jul 7, 2009 9:03 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs
As for Boise St., I hope they lose their opener to Oregon and then run the table, cause if they lose to Oregon and we BEAT Oregon it will make our SOS look that much better. plus it would push us over the top of Boise St. in the rankings
by GambitUte on Jul 7, 2009 9:09 AM MDT reply actions 0 recs

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