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This pretty much sums it up about BYU

I've been reading what the expectations are down in Provo and came across this article about their game against Oklahoma from KSL. 

What drew my attention was the premise - or how BYU has just utterly failed at getting a decent win over an elite team in over a decade. The article had to go all the way back to 1998 and their win over Arizona State at home to find the Cougars last victory over a top-25 out of conference opponent. 

Yes, BYU has yet to beat a ranked team in its out of conference schedule this century. 

Think about that for a second, because the numbers listed in that article are staggering.

They've lost 12 consecutive games against ranked non-conference opponents. Ouch! 

They haven't defeated a ranked non-conference opponent away from home since January 1997 (a victory over K-State in the Cotton Bowl). 

They've only managed two victories over top-25 teams since and both were from the MWC: CSU & TCU. 

TCU was their last, which happened in 2006. BYU hasn't defeated a ranked opponent since. 

Since 1999, BYU is 2-15 versus ranked teams. There are only three conference teams with a worse record than that: New Mexico, Air Force and SDSU. 

Bronco is only 1-6 versus ranked teams. That victory, as mentioned, came against TCU in his second season (a team Utah beat, as well). 

Now compare that with Utah's numbers and you see the difference.

Since 1999, the year the Mountain West was formed, the Utes are 9-6 versus ranked opponents. Utah is also 6-3 against ranked opponents in non-conference games over that same span. 

To sum it all up, the Cougars just don't get it done against ranked opponents. Sure, they've played more ranked teams over the last ten years than Utah, but that also means they've had more opportunities to win. Like their bowl record, there are a lot of games against known teams and a lot of losses. 

Which all points to one thing this season: a loss to Oklahoma.

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to that fact that BYU sucks ass and are nothing but a bunch of choke artists.

OU will beat them by 30 and we will have to listen to all the zoobs whine and cry all season long about how it was the first game of the year, and blah blah blah.

I despise BYU.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jul 28, 2009 2:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Yes, the Cougars choke...

That mentality has been there for years and will most likely stay.

Just look at their bowl game. They were playing a mediocre Arizona team (who had defeated only one team with a winning record), were coming off a humbling loss to their rivals and had a chance to end the season on a high note.

What’d they do? They got abused by a Wildcats team that most likely would have finished fourth or fifth in the Mountain West (remember, they had lost earlier in the year to New Mexico).

The Cougars have a history of not playing up to the competition and that has to be a concern every time they enter games like that.

In contrast, Utah is the exact opposite. While they may at times play down to their opponents (something I had thought — prior to last season — BYU didn’t do much of), they also play up to that competition, as well.

Which I think was most evident the two weeks UCLA played BYU and then Utah in 2007.

Granted, the Cougars had to travel to Pasadena, but the games couldn’t have gone differently for both teams.

Firstly, it was established later in the year the Bruins were horrible. So there really isn’t an excuse for the Cougars losing — and almost losing again in the Vegas Bowl.

Secondly, Utah had lost so much from week one to week three and were left for dead, only to come out and dominate UCLA.

BYU should have won both games by a decent enough margin and they didn’t. Granted, they repaid the Bruins back a year later, but that loss in Pasadena pretty much sums up the football program under Bronco.

by JazzyUte on Jul 28, 2009 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Realize this...

A win over Oklahoma, courtesy of the Cougars, could really bring recognition to the Mountain West. Recognition to the Mountain West means recognition to not only BYU, but Utah as well. During Out-Of-Conference play, I would prefer an undefeated Mountain West. Why? It brings that much more attention to the conference, and ultimately the Utes. Will I be rooting for BYU to beat Oklahoma and Florida State? Will I be rooting for poor little Wyoming to beat Texas? Will I be rooting for TCU to beat Virginia and Clemson? Will I be rooting for UNLV against Oregon State? Will I be rooting for San Diego State against UCLA? Yes, the answer to all the above is simple in my mind.

One might say, what do we gain from our conference opponents’ success? Well the answer is simple, recognition. Any Ute fan knows we need more recognition than we currently receive. If our conference starts winning these big games, we can feel the ricochet of their success as well. How? There is a couple of answers to that. One being the current BCS evaluation. In three years there will be a conclusion brought forward from the BCS evaluation. If Utah wants to become part of the BCS mix each and every year without having to be perfect, we need to become a BCS conference. With big wins against big teams, it only helps Utah. Wins from BYU and Wyoming over Oklahoma and Texas, respectively, would help out the whole conference. Another answer to this question is credit we can gain. If all of our conference “enemies” are winning their games, it makes them more credible opponents. Therefore, when we beat these conference opponents, it helps us out by giving us more credible wins. We don’t have much to work with in the MWC because outside the “Big 3” we have a pathetic conference.

One might also say the Cougar fans will rub it in. So be it. Let them have their glory. Remember when they thought they were doing great things by beating UCLA 59-0? All of that led to them getting it handed to them by TCU and Utah… Honestly, they couldn’t say much after that, right?

I am a die-hard Utah Ute. I attend the school, and love nothing more than cheering on my team at any given moment, and when someone says Utah wouldn’t stand a chance in hell against a school like Florida, I would be the first to tell them otherwise.

by Ute on Jul 28, 2009 9:30 PM MDT reply actions  

To be fair, I never said I wanted BYU to lose.

With that said, yes I want the Cougars to lose. I don’t think, ultimately, their victory will result in anything, unless they go undefeated. And for the sake of Utah football, them going undefeated hurts the Utes, not helps them.

You see, if they were to beat Oklahoma and go 8-4 or 9-3 in the regular season, most would shrug that victory off as a fluke and nothing more. That’s just how it is.

So if the options are:

BYU beats Oklahoma and goes undefeated

OR

BYU loses to Oklahoma and wins 10 or so games, I’ll certainly go with the latter.

But I’m also an blatant BYU hater. I don’t cheer for them, unless it directly helps the Utes. Their beating Oklahoma might indirectly benefit them, but that isn’t justification for me to cheer for them.

I’d rather cheer Wyoming on against Texas or TCU on against their BCS opponents.

And I know what you’re saying, Wyoming doesn’t stand a chance against Texas. Well, if you look at the past, their chance isn’t that much worse than BYU’s against Oklahoma. I mean, they are playing that game in Laramie.

by JazzyUte on Jul 28, 2009 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still..

If BYU was to go undefeated, good for them. I’d HATE to see that happen… But it would just help our fight for a better system, rather than the current BCS. I wasn’t implying I wanted BYU to win against Oklahoma AND go undefeated.. I want them to beat Oklahoma and Florida State because they will be ranked that much higher come the Holy War, making the win for Utah be all the more credible…

by Ute on Jul 29, 2009 1:21 AM MDT reply actions  

I hear ya'...

In a perfect world, BYU would win all their games and get crushed every single year by the Utes.

But I know that isn’t going to happen.

I can’t root for them. I just can’t. The thought makes me sick and I won’t do it.

In the end, though, no matter if you and I cheer or not, it’s not going to have an impact. BYU will either win or lose and what we feel won’t change that.

So I don’t see the need to cheer for them. You know what I mean?

by JazzyUte on Jul 29, 2009 3:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly..

I’m not asking for people to cheer for BYU against Oklahoma.. Rather to realize a win for BYU against Oklahoma wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world, and it could even make us look better when we crush them the last week of the season.

by Ute on Jul 29, 2009 4:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

In a better world . . .

Cosmo would lose all it’s games and not be a factor in the way the rest of the football world perceives the MWC. Sort of a poor man’s San Diego State.

Best case scenario in this world, though, would be for Cosmo to do well in OOC games and lose all its conference games.

by Rhino95 on Aug 3, 2009 7:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

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