Why the Utes will win the Mountain West...And why they won't
Utah actually enters the 2009 season similar to how they entered 2008 - not favored to win the championship. Though some publications place the Utes at the top, they weren't the preseason media pick and recently, it seems they're projected to finish 2nd or 3rd behind TCU and BYU.
Of course, that is where the comparisons end, since Utah doesn't return near the talent they did last year and their conference schedule this season is far more difficult. But that doesn't mean Utah can't win the championship again this year and in fact, they just might have what it takes to at least win a share of it.
For starters, Utah is far more talented than every other team in the conference not named BYU and TCU. That automatically means their base level should be no worse than third. If that's their position, they only need to equal the output of either BYU and TCU to claim a split conference championship.
Of those two teams, BYU is probably more at Utah's level this season. However, since TCU does have to travel to Provo, it seems possible the Frogs lose at least one conference game. Which means if Utah beats every conference foe they should beat and even if they lose to TCU, they'll still be in position to tie the Frogs with a victory over the Cougars at the end of the season. Which is not a given, but with how solid poor Utah teams have played recently against better Cougar squads, you can't help but feel optimistic about their chances.
That means Utah's conference title hopes probably rest on whether or not TCU goes undefeated, especially in conference play. If they drop their game against BYU, it'll open the door for either the Utes or Cougars to claim the top prize. If they don't, then that means Utah will have to knock them off in Fort Worth for a shot and that might be asking a bit too much, though you never know.
So why won't they?
Well experience seems to be the biggest issue facing this year's Utes team. They have had to revamp the offense and though a good chunk of their defense is brought back, it won't be enough to compensate for the offensive struggles. If that is the case, the Utes very well may lose an early conference game to either Colorado State, Air Force or UNLV - hell, maybe two of those three. One loss there and you've got to think Utah's chances of repeating as conference champions goes straight out the window.
So they already have ground to make up if they drop one of those winnable conference games. That probably means they won't be able to walk into Fort Worth and beat the Frogs and though they've played BYU tough in the past, it could spell doom for them in Provo, as well.
If that happens, Utah is looking at a 3-loss (maybe more, though unlikely) conference season. Not horrible, but obviously not where they need to be to claim the crown.
Which one is more realistic? Well I actually think Utah will be playing for the conference title when they meet the Cougars down in Provo this November. I don't know if it's for a tie or an outright championship, but let's consider the following:
- Had Utah defeated either Wyoming or New Mexico in the 2006 season, they're playing for a share of the title with BYU. Think about that for a second, because 2006 is often regarded as the least-successful season under Whittingham. The Utes were a second-half meltdown and a desperate heave to the end zone away from sharing the title with BYU. Granted, they lost both those games, but the program has grown so much since then, I can't help but think those same mistakes (namely in the New Mexico and Wyoming games) won't be made this season.
- Though technically Utah was still in the hunt when they traveled to Provo in 2007 (the Cougars' game against SDSU was pushed back to the end of the season due to fires and Utah had 2-conference losses in one more game than BYU), it was a forgone conclusion the Cougars were going to win the title that year. Yet had Utah been able to not choke away victory against the Falcons at the start of the season (a game played only a week after being plagued by injury against the Oregon State Beavers), they're playing for the title again against BYU. That means they were 15-points from winning a conference title.
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Yes, I do
But we ned to win them now, while we’re hot.
BYU is signing better talent each year, most importantly aggressively seeking defensive unit speed.
There are only so many kids out there who will attend BYU, Utah or TCU (or Oregon State, etc.). I think right now we’re the best team in our conference. Win while we can, only that will assist us in future recruiting battles.
I disagree...
BYU has been out-recruiting Utah on paper for the last 30 years.
What has it netted them? The margin has essentially disappeared over the last five, which suggests to me they’re not doing nearly as well. As for the speed, they’re still not reaching into Texas and a majority of their defensive players still aren’t at the same level as TCU and Utah’s.
Sure, they’ve picked up some decent recruits along the way, but they’re not signing that much better of talent. The one team I’d concede might be able to leapfrog Utah & BYU in this regard are the Frogs, but that hasn’t happened yet.
I don't know . . .
I think people always felt BYU had better talent because kids who go to BYU must be better football players, right?
Actually, there have been a great many years that Utah flat had more talent on paper, Utah simply had poor coaching, poor player development, or a “can’t win” attitude. We’ve often had more team speed and never done anything with it. See 2006 and 2007, BYU vs. Utah for examples. Our current coach is a master at developing talent, and one on one now they can’t keep up.
There is an odd mystique to going in and resuscitating a program, or seeing a once great team flounder and guys flocking in so they can step in and play. It seemingly yields dividends in recruiting. Perhaps BYU is getting that bump.
However, we have more talent this year for sure, and this year BYU will be lucky to contend for the title of the MWC, much less a BCS bowl, because they are losing guys to injuries at an insane rate (see here). Last week they lost their only returning lineman for a few weeks, he might be out for the Oklahoma game (regardless, he can’t practice with the offense), and one of the other O line projected starters is out for the season.
BYU might get slaughtered against the Sooners. That does not help Utah or the MWC at all.
Everyone has injury-plagued seasons like that, but I don’t know that BYU can afford it at this point, much less during the season. If they have not only a “less than expected” season (like last year), but maybe a really mediocre or poor one and they could slide back down into the ash heap pretty quickly.
Teams like Utah State will be hoping to clobber the Cougars physically since thay feel they can’t outplay them. Just watch, if they’re injured up now they’ll really be falling apart during the season.
It's an unknown.
Since the recruiting sites boom, Utah has not finished with a better class than the Cougars.
This goes all the way back to 2003 as far as I can remember. Yet in that span, the Utes have gone undefeated twice and defeated BYU four out of the six times. It must signal those recruiting sites aren’t completely correct, right?
That’s what I’m saying. BYU might be the team most perceive to have better talent based on recruits, but the results tend to show a different story. It’s been that way for a bit now and while there have been better BYU teams (2006 mostly), it doesn’t last.
Remember, Crowton had some damn good classes, as well and that hasn’t amounted to anything better than Utah and they certainly haven’t been able to leapfrog the Utes.
My point is that BYU isn’t going away, but neither are the Utes and Frogs. I think Utah, as a whole, has an advantage because of the athletic players they recruit that BYU just does not have access to right now.
I just don’t see their speed issue changing over the next few years. Especially if they have a bad season this year. Think about it. If BYU does drop a bit this season and have to rebuild in 2010, they’re looking at a two-year window that may just force them down a peg.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the MWC title post-2010 is essentially swapped between Utah & TCU.
But then again, it’s all speculation – which is exactly what people do when they say the Cougars out-recruit Utah every year.
I like our chances...
anytime we face BYU.
However I think TCU will take the MWC this year.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
That's why I brought up the TCU/BYU game.
In Provo this year. If TCU loses that game, Utah can sneak in and share the title.
If they win, well that means they’re extremely good and it’s unlikely Utah will even beat them in Fort Worth.
TCU is flaky
great post. The other thing I would add is that TCU is flaky. I give the Utes a good chance this year because TCU has only been able to hold it together and win the MWC once even though they’ve been favored a few times. Given that we always play the cougs better than they play us, if TCU falls apart like usual we will at least share it.
by GodisBrianJohnson on Aug 18, 2009 6:28 AM MDT reply actions
Recruits are only half the battle
Thanks JazzyUte for the great blog… I read all the time but rarely post. I have to say that I will always feel good about chances simply based on our recruiting style. We rarely get 4 or 5 star recruits and yet we constantly field a talented team that plays witha chip on its shoulder. That’s my favorite thing about this team. We don’t get that prima donna 5 star recruit that’s been told since 7th grade that he is the next big thing (see TDS Heaps). We get the overlooked but motivated and hungry recruit that is willing to learn and be a team player. Look at Sylvester, for example, UNLV and one other small school were the only D1 schools interested. Now look at him… He is well o n his way to becoming a high NFL draft pick and will have a monster season this this year. Further evidence of our Sugar Bowl win. One of the talking heads on fox in pregame said there was not one player on the Ute team Alabama would be interested in recruiting. Pont is, let TDS get the entitled-seeking mama boys. Let them talk up a
by Binjanjino on Aug 18, 2009 8:05 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I've heard it before
I’ve had season tickets for 14 seasons now and believe in this team. I wonder at why the TDS is continually put at the top of the class when TCU is the team to watch out for. YBU is consistently overrated (especially on the defensive side of the ball). They still have no real speed to speak of. Yes, I do think that has to do with the inroads Utah has made into Texas in recruiting and development of that talent by a very capable coaching staff. TCU is another team with that kind of speed and recruiting base. In talking to a couple of players I’ve met, They believe they can win every game and I don’t think that attitude was there in the McBride years. TCU is a great program but, a team we seem to have their on consistently. I think our offense is going to be much better than anyone seems to think. Heck, Ludwig’s gone. That at the very least will make them less predictable. I’m not saying there won’t be growing pains but I think it’s much more reloading than rebuilding.
tcu
we have their number on. that makes more sense
2009
It’s difficult to tell how the Utes will do this year with a new QB and having lost a lot of playmakers. I think the defense will be very strong this year… possibly similar in strength to last year. The offense will be using more receivers who will make more plays per game. Also, the running game will be used more often. Even though a lot of the offense was lost, there are many playmakers returning. I’m anxious to see how either Cain or Wynn will fill the QB position. I don’t think at this point you can predict who will win the conference. I know TCU is favored to win, but nothing is set in stone.

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