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Oregon's 2009 team.

So, I mentioned in one of Jazzy's posts below that I don't think Oregon will be as tough as everyone else.  I am much more worried about Air Force, TCU and BYU (not necessarily in that order).  In fact, I am more worried about SJSU, because they will be dangerous if we overlook them.

Here, based on cfn.com and the 2008 Oregon statistics from the official ncaa statistics, is a look at Oregon's 2009 team and losses from 2008:

OL:  As I discussed, Oregon has 1 returning offensive lineman and a combined total of 20 offensive line starts, good for 118th out of 120 IA college football teams.  Offensive lines are made up of units and they need time together to gel.  Oregon won't get it, facing a very good Utah D line.  This year's line will consist of Sophomore Mark Asper (a 2* recruit from Ogden Utah, he's 6'8" but just got back from an LDS mission), Junior Jordan Holmes (a 2* recruit from CA, 6'4" but no other offers coming out of high school), Freshman Carson York (a 4* recruit from Idaho, he's 6'4" with a lot of offers), Junior Bo Thran (3* recruit from Oregon, had offers from OSU and Cal), and the only returning starter, Junior CE Kaiser (6'4").  There's a lot of meat on the line, and what appears to be a significant amount of talent, but as I've said 1000 times, Offensive Lines need time to gel.  This one won't get any.

QB: Masoli is back after missing Purdue last year as well as being knocked out early in the Boise game.  The kid's a gamer, no question.  But working behind the reworked OL will make for some dangerous days for him.  I don't know if he's as good under pressure, as he had 4 seniors and a sophomore protecting him last year.

RB: Jeremiah Johnson is gone, but Blount returns.  Oregon had TWO 1000-yard rushers last season, although I know Blount won't be as effective this year behind the new OL and without Johnson to wear down the defense early.  Still, Bount is a good player and shouldn't be overlooked.

WR:  Two returning starters but they lost a couple of significant starters in Scott (750 yards, 50 catches, 5 tds) and Williams (35 catches for 430 yards and 4 tds).  Still, there is some good talent here with some good experience.  Luckily, we should be able to get some pressure on the QB.  I am worried if they go 4 wide and run quick slants because these are some talented receivers.

So, to recap the offense, that's 4 returning starters (2 WR, 1 QB and 1 OL).  Talent can make up for a lot, but experience is very very important in college football.  I'd rather have a less-talented team full of seniors than a more talented team full of freshmen, in college.  You'll win more often.

 

As for the Defense, well, that's not much different.

DL: 1 returning starter (Tukafu, a great player who will be a 3-year starter and came from SLC) but replacing both DTs and one DE.  Tukafu is great, had 7.5 sacks and 17.5 tackles for loss last year.  But, despite all the recruiting of DL, there's not much in the cupboard.  Kenny Rowe (230 lbs) seems to be the other end, and I guess Simi Toeaina (Sr, played in only 5 games), and Blake Ferris (Sr, played in only 5 games) would be the natural choices.

LB: 2 returning starters (Matthews and Paysinger) are both solid, although I wouldn't consider either of them spectacular linebackers.  The other starter will probably be Pleasant, the backup OLB last year.  He saw very little time last year, mostly on special teams.

DB: 2 returning starters (one corner, Thurmond, and one safety, Ward).  Both are seniors and both are very talented.  There is also a lot of talented depth here, so I don't think they'll lose to much after losing their FS and CB to the NFL.  Still, no substitute for quality starts.

 

So that's 5 returning starters on D.  In comparison, Utah returns 3 OL, 1 RB, 2 WR (6) plus 3 DL, 3 LB and 2 DBs (8). 

 

I guess I just don't understand the fear.  Oregon is a solid, talented team, and Autzen is a very tough place to play, but they have a new coach, they've lost some players, and their OL (really the backbone of any offense) is completely rebuilt.  And I know, other than Louisville and Michigan, both closer than they should have been, KW-coached teams have shown a difficulty with BCS teams on the road.  But I think this is maybe the 4th or 5th toughest game on the schedule, not #1.

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I'm gonna FP this...

Hopefully it sparks a conversation, since this really is our real big first game (USU doesn’t count).

If it doesn’t, oh well, I tried.

by JazzyUte on Aug 6, 2009 1:30 AM MDT reply actions  

I hope you're right.

I’m expecting at least one loss this season, and I’d rather see a loss here than I would against TCU, BYU, or even worse, the other 9 other teams on our schedule.

But if we weather the first quarter in Autzen and adjust to the crowd noise, we can win this game.

by BoylenOver on Aug 6, 2009 7:52 AM MDT reply actions  

Well . . .

You’re making an evaluative mistake we excoriated everyone for last year.

No one is saying Oregon did not have to rebuild much of their offensive line. But if you’re comparing 2 star recruitment rating of kids to ability on the field, then you are being Barry Switzer last year pre Sugar Bowl, because as he pointed out, most BCS schools wouldn’t sniff at Utah’s recruits. About a third to as many as a half of Utah’s kids annually get zero stars. So based on that analysis, we lose right?

So your point becomes what? That based on recruitment ratings, which if certain colleges don’t offer a kid the recruiters automatically think he sucks, we should beat up on their O Line?

Their O line has size, maturity, speed, physical ability, and a system that works around their strengths. As the Oregon folks were kind enough to point out, at this point in the year their offense is working in drills that they had not gotten to until fall camp last year. That is to say, their offensive unit is ahead of last year’s in terms of preparation. Offensive lines do have to play together, but they often play better for certain QBs, and Oregon has found theirs. Utah’s O-line is being rebuilt and no one thinks a starting QB is set in stone. Oregon’s O-line, while not showing many starts, uses a rotation system to keep legs fresh. So you’ll see O-linemen at the start who have significant game experience, and you’ll see new linemen if needed.

The old Canard about only 5 guys being out there was Alabama’s downfall—they were wholly unprepared for losing linemen, power teams always are. Spread teams operate differently, it will not be nearly as difficult for Oregon to replace 4 linemen as it was for Alabama to replace Caldwell and Smith. Not even, not a little.

Look at it this way, what team gives Utah fits every year? The undersized and under talented Air Force Falcons.

Why? Their line is fast and disciplined, and they spread it out.

This team we are playing plays fast, disciplined, spreads it out, is bigger, faster, and more athletically gifted in every other metric. The QB is there, their speed is there, their power game is there.

As for our O-line, we also lost a projected starter in Neli A’asa. as for our D, we lost two NFL corners that were bigger than their replacements and extremely physical—precisely what you need to play Oregon.

And their stadium is a death knell to visitors. Boise State had a great team last year and had to hold on to win playing against Oregon’s 4th string QB who turned out to be amazing but clearly was not there yet at that point. Boise State comes to Salt Lake and hands us our ass regularly.

I think our chance lies, as I noted, in our being able to move the ball on them. I don’t care how good your defense is, Oregon will move the ball on it unless one thing happens: their new coaches cannot handle game situations as a transition from OC to head coach. Say he neglects his defense, that kind of thing could get us the win. But that all remains to be seen. In a paper analysis, such as mine and yours are, they don’t give up much. Our D line and backers are good, let’s hope the Dbacks are there.

Now, Oregon has had a history of giving away some games they should not, does that sound familiar to you? It should, that’s 40 year of watching Utah Football here talking man and we have a history of losing games we could, and many we should, win. For the entire time I was a student there the catch phrase for our team was “found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory”.

Did we turn a mental corner last year? Because Oregon sure as hell showed it in their development and the confidence they carried into this year.

Their D has some raw talent as well, but they aren’t tossing in babes in the woods, expectations are that the replacement linebacker will be their best as I recall. Our offense has to gel line to QB to wideout. The loss of the connection between BJ and those three senior WRs cannot be taken glibly.

So, if Utah is a head case historically and Oregon has seen that same bug bite them, do you really think their “too new” O-line will be as much of a factor as team cohesion and mental toughness, focus?

No way in hell. No way in hell.

The best prepared and mentally together team will win that game unless a fluke occurs. If our offense flounders our D is out there all night and we won’t be beaten, we will be massacred. Our O has to move the ball, that is why I said on their board: this game is big, but the previous two games for both teams this year will be more important in terms of determining how both teams have solved their issues.

We tune up against two cupcakes, they go directly into battle against BSU there and Purdue at their place. Purdue is no Utah, but they aint no Utah State either.

Last year Utah had an experienced team. We return 54 lettermen, not all with significant game experience. I believe in our coach, his ability to prepare and motivate our guys will be a key factor.

by Aardvark on Aug 6, 2009 8:01 AM MDT reply actions  

No disagreement about much of your post.

I would agree with you about a lot of your post. I think coaching, preparedness, and team cohesiveness will have a lot to do with how the game plays out. And I think Utah’s defense will be key. If they can take advantage of what I think is a very inexperienced and young OL, they should be able to get us the win. So I agree with you, except . . .

. . . about our OL. Our OL returns three starters from last yer (the Zanes plus Caleb). We have a combined 74 OL starts returning. That’s good for 38th most in the country. They’ve played together. There’s not a lot of depth, but the starting 5 are both more-experienced and more talented than Oregon’s starting 5 (all three returning starters should be all-MWC players by the end of the year).

And I’m not basing anything on recruiting rankings (although only having one offer does say something to me). I haven’t seen many of these kids in real life, and I have trouble evaluating offensive linemen anyway. But our OL is better than Oregon’s right now. And still will be at the third week of the season. The end of the year? Who knows, but when we play them I expect their OL to make mistakes because our DL is that good.

And, as I mentioned, it’s not just their OL that’s young. Check out this link:

http://www.philsteele.com/Blogs/July09/DBJuly27.html

Phil Steele lists (just facts) all of the returning starters for every team. Utah is #91 (not great, although my count is higher than his because I counted Reed and Brooks as starters all year), but Oregon is #115. As I mentioned above, their team is young and inexperienced. Utah should be able to get into the backfield and move the ball pretty well. I’m not saying this is a sure win, but the game experience of Oregon’s team is very very low, compared to some of the other teams we have on the schedule.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 6, 2009 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Did Ohik Steele Note

That 8 or 9 of their Offensive starters this year started at least one game last year (some who are listed as newcomers started 5 games) and all had significant game experience? They’re deeper than people are crediting them for.

Also, if BYU has more “experience” based on starts, would you rather play them and their team speed at their stadium, or Oregon’s at theirs?

by Aardvark on Aug 6, 2009 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions  

BYU and Oregon both have completely rebuilt OL.

The difference between the two is negligible. Oregon’s OL is shallow. Very shallow. Some playing experience is no substitute for quality starts as a unit. I don’t care who their QB and RB are, it won’t matter if Misi and Shelby are camped out in their backfield. So, to answer your question, I think we’ll run all over both OL because our coach is better and our DL is going to be outstanding.

I’m also not afraid of Oregon’s defense, as our very good and experienced OL should be able to get a great amount of push against a young and inexperienced Oregon DL. Experience on the DL is not as important as experience on the OL, but it matters and if you think the backups can just step in for the starters without a dropoff, well . . . I disagree. Starters were starters (and are now in the NFL) for a reason. If the backups were just as good, they’d have played more last year.

Also, on your original point, A’asa is still on the team and may still play OL. If he’s needed to be the center, he will be. I just don’t think we’ll need him, based on the players already there.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 6, 2009 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

It all begins with Boise St.

I think Oregon’s confidence level will also play a huge role in this game. If the Ducks are able to topple the Bronco’s in their season opener (and then take care of business with Purdue) they will be a very confident bunch when we visit.
   On the other hand though, Utah has done a very good job recently against teams that rely on rushing attacks. We held Air Force in check and smothered Alabama’s running game in the Sugar Bowl. With that said however, both of those teams stayed in the game not giving up and getting success elsewhere (weather by throwing it deep or from good special teams play) we can’t let Oregon do the same thing. If we are able to stop the running game, we have to step on their throats and put the game away early.
  My point is momentum is everything in college football, if you let a team get in a groove and they start clicking on both defense and offense, It is VERY hard to get that momentum back in your favor.
   I don’t dispute the fact Oregon isn’t our greatest foe, (my pick is the TCU game at Ft. Worth) but let us not forget the lessons we learned by overlooking teams such as Colorado St. and UNLV. The team that shows up and wants it more will be the team that wins, period.

by GambitUte on Aug 6, 2009 2:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Which brings up another point...

I want Oregon to beat BSU.

I said this on the Oregon blog and I’ll say it here…

1. Oregon beats BSU and they probably automatically take them out of the BCS running. That provides a chance for a Mountain West team (maybe even a one-loss Utah team).

2. Oregon then cracks the top-ten, meaning when Utah faces them, it’s a great chance to pick up a huge win.

3. If Utah were to win, well…

by JazzyUte on Aug 6, 2009 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Absolutely

Boise State gets back their entire defense, essentially, and many on their offense. It will be interesting to see. While Autzen is a tough place to play, Boise State has mental toughness ingrained during 30 years of over achieving. They fear no one and they love to play at home, it’s a tough win up there.

That said, Oregon feels that they owe BSU one and won’t be overlooking them. If it’s a hard fought game, and Oregon wins, they get a leg up for playing tough opponents early. By the time Utah shows up, if Oregon is 2-0, they will be tough.

Utah, if San Jose is not up to much, will be struggling to overcome complacency. They have to get focus early on this season and understand to use those two cupcakes to hone the offense and prepare for Oregon. We can beat any team we play this season. That’s what will be frustrating for Utah fans, knowing we’re as good or better than anyone we play and not pulling it off.

by Aardvark on Aug 7, 2009 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oregon's Defense

Interesting writeup here in an ESPN interview with Duck defensive coordinator Aliotti. Essentially, sure you can move on Oregon and even score, but that’s because they score so fast they tend to leave their D on the field all game (possesion only 25 minutes while gaining almost 500 yards per game). They seemed to have talent last year to go with those stats, racking up lots of sacks.

by Aardvark on Aug 10, 2009 12:57 PM MDT reply actions  

i love guys who think those star atletes out of high school make a difference

notre dame is a place where star high school recruits just dissapear. notre dame has been in the top 20 of high school recruits for as long as i can remember. i guess that 1-11 in bowl games(in recent years) shows all those high school talents. let’s not forget ben olsen who got his jaw broken at utah and has not been seen since. i believe he was the #1 high school recruit in the country. as for barry gun toting switzer. he is the old guard and considers utah a few steps below his beloved sooners. too bad oklahoma has lost it’s last 4 or 5 bcs football games. i’ll take utah’s recruits, with a solid coach and alot of motivation over all these teams with 4 star high school recruits. peace out !

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 26, 2009 4:32 PM MDT reply actions  

I agree. I was posting mostly about Oregon's OL

and was providing the stars for reference. Coaching and hard work overcome star rankings 100% of the time.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 26, 2009 11:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

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