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They were what we thought they were...

Or were they? 

Did the Mountain West, specifically TCU, live up to its hype last night? It's hard to argue the conference wasn't let down by the Frogs' performance - but to what degree? There many will differ and I'm not so sure anyone can fully answer the question. I say this because it appears there has yet to be a consensus formed in the minds of many nationally. Is Boise State just that good or are both just meh and TCU was more meh? If it's the latter, perception will sting the Mountain West and everything gained over the course of the last two years will have been lost. If it's the former, the outlook is still sketchy.

But isn't that what the BCS wanted in the first place? Why else would they pit Boise State and Texas Christian against one another? The possibility of a Utah-Alabama-like performance goes right out the window and the winner is essentially forced from the limelight by the time the national championship rolls around. That wasn't the case last year. Utah's win was lasting and played a major role in the subsequent discussion. I'm not so sure, after Alabama takes on Texas, anyone will be talking about the Broncos' legitimate argument for at least a share of the national championship.

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In that regard, TCU and the Mountain West is hurt because there isn't a conference-defining win to be had. The Broncos made sure of it. Even if TCU had won, though, it still wouldn't have been able to hold a candle to Utah's win in the 2009 Sugar Bowl because - and I think this was purposely done by the BCS - it came against another non-BCS team. 

Boise State is still Boise State. They may have changed a few minds, but I'm willing to bet a good number of those who count - the media and the BCS bigwigs - still see them as a glorified junior college who beats up on a bunch of bad teams from colleges no one gives a damn about .

TCU, though, was different. They were different because the Mountain West beefed up its street cred with not just the Utes' big BCS win last year, but the Frogs' doing in the Poinsettia Bowl and the fact the Cougars managed to win ten games. 

Add the early success of BYU and the sustained success of Utah and you have a conference that trumps the WAC in perception. 

Which ultimately means the Broncos and the WAC gained more by beating TCU than TCU could have ever gained by beating the Broncos. There is no upside with this defeat. You can't pass it off as just another loss to a really good team. Not when the margin of error for Utah and TCU in these types of games is extremely small. Just as it was for Hawaii - who went out and got thumped badly by Georgia. 

The saving grace in all of this, of course, is that the WAC still hasn't been able to establish itself as more than a one-team league. That was proven this bowl season when their second and third-best teams lost winnable games in ridiculous fashion. 

In the end, it wasn't the WAC who gained here. Instead, it was Boise State. They gained because, as a program, they've been able to dominate in a way no team has been able to do in modern college football outside of Florida State in the 1990s. They don't just win the WAC every year - they own it. 

In today's world, that just doesn't happen anymore. 

So, because of this, the loss does hurt. It hurts because this is a battle of perception and Utah and TCU might belong to a better conference than the WAC, but can anyone now honestly say they're overall better than the WAC's best team? 

Boise State is now our biggest enemy because they will be the favorite to bust the BCS next year. And maybe there won't be room for two non-BCS teams like in 2009. This year, TCU was given a leg up because of their perceived conference strength. Next year, though, who's to say it's not Boise State getting a leg up because of what they did to the perceived better team from the perceived better conference? 

As improbable as it may seem, and I don't say this as if I expect or believe it will happen, but if it's Boise State ranked number two behind Ohio State and Utah is third - do they have a legitimate case of getting into the national championship game over an undefeated Broncos team? 

I'm not so sure.

Had TCU won last night, I think Boise State takes a hit perception wise. They take a hit because it solidifies the belief that the Mountain West is not only a superior conference to the WAC, its champion is also superior. That case can only be half-made now. 

So, if the things break Utah's way or TCU's way next year and either have a legitimate shot at playing in the BCS or playing in the national championship, it just may be the Broncos who deny them a bid. 

I mean, this is a race and we've lost ground here. I'm not saying we're doomed or that the Mountain West will struggle next year to best the WAC and Boise State. I'm just saying that this very well could have been a fatal blow for the WAC and Boise State. At least a blow that set them back a few years. It wasn't delivered and instead maybe perception will now dictate that TCU and the Mountain West weren't who people really thought they were.

Then again, maybe nothing will be gained or learned from this game. It wasn't exactly a perfect performance by the Broncos. If that's the lasting image of the 2010 Fiesta Bowl, then it could be a win be default for TCU and the Mountain West.

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Good points but

Bowl games do not count in under the BCS evaluation period. That is the only good thing about this loss.

by Jeremy Mauss on Jan 5, 2010 6:44 PM MST reply actions  

They do play into the perception

and that sets the tone for the polls the next season which do effect the BCS evaluation.

BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter

by utesfan100 on Jan 5, 2010 10:16 PM MST up reply actions  

It sucks college football is all about perception.

Had Utah started 2008 in the top-fifteen, they have a stronger case for an NC berth.

Boise State is likely to start 2010 in the top-five. They have, like this season, one tough game (a neutral game) against V-Tech in Maryland. They win that and they’re looking at another undefeated season.

Now let’s say Utah or TCU goes undefeated, as well. It’s possible we’ll be behind Boise State. Either for a BCS berth or a NC berth.

Had TCU won, though, that probably isn’t the case.

And yeah, like I said in my above post, I get that it’s extremely premature to talk about the BCS, let alone the NC game. But these are the things I think about. haha

by JazzyUte on Jan 5, 2010 11:44 PM MST up reply actions  

What does Boise State's 2010 schedule look like??

Yes Boise will be ranked high next year,, but if they don’t have a respectable schedule they have no shot at a National Championship. You could argue if TCU had won this game and started next season ranked high they would have a shot because of the depth in the MWC and tough non-conference games. But the WAC is still a one conference team and I think that really hurt’s Boise’s shot uness they can play a really tough non-conference schedule, and who knows if they could survive that…

but in the end Boise joins the MWC…it’s going to happen eventually

by utahmanami on Jan 5, 2010 11:50 PM MST up reply actions  

They play Virginia Tech

At FedEx field. They also play Oregon State, that one’s a home game for them, playing Wyoming in Laramie.

by Aardvark on Jan 6, 2010 7:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Next Year

Say BSU goes into Laramie, mops the field with Wyoming, recent years they have owned BYU and Utah as well. That gives them a single point loss to TCU against the perceived MWC powers.

Tell me, how much more do they have to prove?

Look at how after last year and the last few years everyone said Utah owned, or was clealry competitive with, the PAC-10.

by Aardvark on Jan 6, 2010 7:57 AM MST reply actions  

I agree

What Boise State did with this win was prove that just because they play in a bad conference, they’re not a mediocre team feasting on weak programs. Prior to that, this was the perception and it was a big reason the Broncos were being held back.

But they’ve proven they’re better than the WAC and at least on the level of the Mountain West.

by JazzyUte on Jan 6, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

WAC-MWC

Of course when looking through the red tainted lenses of a ute, the WAC is inferior. The saying from MWC fans is they are so superior but they’ve had limited success against WAC teams in general. Idaho took out Colorado State this season and Wyoming squeaked out a win over a re-building Fresno State team in a bowl game. Overall in the past 10 years the WAC has come out on top of the MWC teams. So how is it that the MWC is so superior? Don’t be so arrogant. The perception is that both are “inferior” to the so called “big”(let that read rich ol boys networks) conferences.

Boise State ruined your party once again and now it was somehow a fluke in some MWC fan’s eyes. The fact BSU has won more games in this past decade than any other is lost on you. The thought that the WAC is a one team conference is also a weak one. Consider the record of USC, Ohio State, VA Tech and other totally dominate teams that continue to win their conference year after year. Does that mean their conferences are weak? No it means they are great teams with great coaching staffs that continually use their talent in the best possible ways. Utah is no exception to this in the past several years. They are a great team with all kinds of upside. BYU is another story. TCU will be strong for a long time to come.

As you look at the past few years the MWC and the WAC have shown the blue bloods of college football to be paper tigers. The wins by Utah over Pitt and Alabama were no flukes just as Boise’s wins were no flukes either. The teams are showing increasing levels of parity in the game. I tire of the rub that TCU or Boise State or Fresno or Utah play in a lessor conference. I see there are dregs in every conference. And don’t talk about out of conference scheduling either. Look at the whoppers Florida and Alabama played this past season. If they play cupcakes it is ok but MWC or WAC teams have to play Green Bay or the Chargers to have any credibility. It is absurd.

Next season will be a tougher one for Boise State. Games with Va Tech and Oregon State will be tough but so will games with Fresno and Reno as they will be better than this year. Wyoming likely won’t be a cake walk either despite what others will say. Playing at 7000+ feet isn’t easy ever unless you live there.

Don’t keep kicking sand in your brothers face when the real enemy here are those auto qualifying conferences that would deny your credibility and keep ALL the goodies to themselves.

by backmanc on Jan 6, 2010 10:27 AM MST reply actions  

i think boise state will be preseason 6th in the nation. i would have them 3rd

that does not matter. va. tech will be a top ten team too. i will be looking up their schedule b/c the game with boise is on october 2nd now. that is four games into the season i think. lets hope both teams will be around 3 and 5th in the country and if boise can crush them and i would run up the score on the hokies if i was boise state coach. they would get alot of power points in that game plus more east coast writer would believe. the east coast media rarely sees a boise game. now there are no excuse b/c the game is at fed ex field. i hope kellen moore throws four td’s and they win 35 -17. that would be great and i don’t think the computers could screw boise over after that. i’m all for boise going to ncg if the go undefeated again. hopefully fresno,nevada and idaho can win a few ooc bcs games. utah should start around 16th to 18th in the country. we bring back alot of offensive firepower. we also have thre aq bcs games to play including a pitt team that should be ranked high. if i was coach whitt i would use mark may’s comments and smirking fat face as inspiration to run up the score on pitt and their heisman hopeful dion lewis. i think that is his name. they do have to break in a new qb. utah if they find some defensive gems like they always seem to do should go undefeated. barring injuries. we have a national tv audience to impress when we play n.d. too. i see great things for boise state and utah. boise state could have a 26 game winning streak if they take care of business. the computer won’t screw them over but the coaches might. can’t wait till another college football season.

i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 6, 2010 4:31 PM MST reply actions  

Boise

Returns everyone but Kyle Wilson.

They should start out top ten, but the big boys will still get more notice, just watch.

by Aardvark on Jan 7, 2010 7:49 AM MST up reply actions  

boise will be 3-0 when they play va. tech and so will va. tech

va. tech has central michigan withe dan lefeover. east carolina and james madison. i think pinkney the east carolina qb is gone. they both coulfd be at around 5th in the nation. i already stated on the boise blog that i would put a beatdown on va. tech b/c east coast viewer and sports writers do not see them at all. the game is at fed ex field which means it’s basicall a home game for va. tech. i hope boise wins by 24 points and kellen morre throws four td’s. the computers would not be able top stob boise from rising considering the power points you get from beatina top ten team. boise just needs teams like fresno, nevada and iday do well in the ir ooc games. they would have a good chance to play for ncg. they could have a 26 game winning streak at that point to. i for one would liove to see it. however itf utah goes 12-0 and we have three bcs teams on our schedule their might be some debate. both pitt and iowa start won their bowl games and n.d. is a nationwide audience to impress the country.i could see the utes starting as high as 15 in the preseason rankings.

i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 7, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions  

First rankingout has us at 22

Losing ugly and not beating the brains out of some crappy competition cost us. This year we should have gone 12-1, people notice inconsistency.

by Aardvark on Jan 11, 2010 7:13 AM MST up reply actions  

it should say without dan lefouver.

also should say idaho. i’m writing these too fast. sorry for the errors.

i'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. i was building a house, i don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. bang. "unforgiven"

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 7, 2010 12:53 PM MST reply actions  

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