Utes drop to 11th in AP, stay at 10th in Coaches
by JazzyUte on Oct 10, 2010 12:01 PM MDT
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Not to be redundant but...
And Dr. Hill doesn’t want to schedule home and homes with East Coast teams??
We crush a Big 12 team, nay! We demolished them by scoring more points than any other team has EVER done in their own friggin’ house. Their fans are in awe of us (http://tinyurl.com/2cvgz5l) And yet we stay at 10 in the coaches poll and we DROP a spot in the AP??? Did these idiots even look at the game? I am so pissed words can’t even describe it. We can’t get into the PAC 12 soon enough!!!
Okay, help me out...
When did Hill say he didn’t want to schedule home and homes with East Coast teams?
Don’t we play @ Pitt next year?
Lya Wodraska reports...
in her SL Trib blog
“Hill quickly is adopting a Pac-12 attitude toward scheduling, pointing out in the past he’d be happy to schedule home and homes with teams from conferences such as the Big Ten but in the future the Utes wouldn’t jump at the chance as quickly.”
Ok, maybe I’m reading more into it than was there, but my take on it was that going forward don’t count on home & homes.
I can see why he wouldn't jump at it as quickly...
Remember, Utah has only 3 OOC games a year. One of those slots will probably always go to BYU. The other maybe USU every few years.
That leaves one or two OOC games a season.
So we’ll have to be more careful in the future.
Wait, is he saying
the Pac-12 attitude is to travel east less often? Thats Bull. The Pac-10 travels more non-conference than any other conference.
However I completely understand your guys’s new scheduling limitations. If you were used to having 3 Non-conference games to schedule (4 minus Utah State), going to having maybe one game to schedule makes it really tough (3 minus BYU and Utah State). I would want to be very careful about having to go @ Pitt and @ BYU then have 4-5 road Pac-12 games, that would be brutal.
On a side note, I’m beginning to think you guys will come in and challenge for the Pac-12 title next year. You really can beat anyone in the conference. I think the grind will lead to a loss or two as it does for even the best, but I really like your chances.
by spencer peaty on Oct 11, 2010 11:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm bitter about it
However, it changes next year for sure. It doesn’t help much this year. The lack of exposure for the Utes hurts. Bad. They aren’t the ESPN darling and they don’t have a cute story. I was ticked off to see NO ute highlights on ESPN last night, and there were plenty to choose from. Utah has lots of talent and goes out and takes care of business and doesn’t have a bunch of trick plays up their sleeves.
I really thought Utah would move up a spot in the Coaches poll. Utah just has to take care of business. If they take care of TCU, it will all change. We are just being impatient. :/ I think Coach Whitt and the players will be focused and will continue to roll.
I hope you're right about it changing...
But with how TCU fell a spot in the Coaches, I’m not so sure.
Who's voting?
Why are the voters not required to at least watch the games of the teams who’s fate they hold in their hands? I just don’t get it. I’ve seen all of hte “top 25” teams actually play and we stack up against and can compete with anyone.
It's because we're fighting with two other BCS teams for exposure...
And we’re losing. Badly.
It’s being sucked up by the Broncos and Frogs right now. I watched ESPN GameDay Final last night and the talk about the BCS Busters was solely on those two teams. Not even a hint of Utah. Not even a, “and Utah could play its way into this argument with a win over TCU AT HOME”
None of that.
Until we beat the Frogs, no one is going to care what we do. BSU can get away with beating freakin’ Toledo, at home, by a less impressive score than Utah – but the Utes are knocked back a spot because South Carolina – a one loss team – is pushed into the top-five.
BS.
Are you really surprised?
We never have, and most likely never will, gain any quality exposure until we beat a quality team. As good as we are, and we are GOOD, we haven’t done that yet. To be lurking around the top 10 is a sign of respect even if it doesn’t come with the exposure we want. We’re not going to play for a national title this year. At best we get a BCS game and if that happens we’ll most likely get BSU. So, for the most part, the ranking doesn’t really matter. We’re where we need to be… all we have to do is win and we’re in. Simple as that.
Un-waded your panties boy’s and enjoy the feast this year is providing .
GO UTES!
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... S. Freud
At worst, we're 12-0 and playing in the Vegas Bowl...
That’s what some of you aren’t account for here. In years past, I was okay with Utah dropping because Boise State was behind us and when we dropped, they generally dropped with us.
It’s different this year. We’re behind the Broncos and we need to find some way to gain on them before that TCU game or we’re realistically looking at finishing the season a spot or two behind them – even if we beat TCU.
Ideally, we’d still get picked for a BCS bowl and everything would be fine.
But college football is rarely ideal. Ask Boise State in 2004 and 2008. Hell, had it not been for Oklahoma State losing to the Sooners last year at the end of the season, the Broncos would’ve been left out of the BCS bowl picture for two years in a row.
Luckily for them, the Cowboys lost and the BCS picked the Broncos.
But as 2004 and 2008 showed us, sometimes there really is only room for one team. And as much as I’d like to think Utah has gained enough respect to get in, I’m not seeing it this week. The fact South Carolina, a team with one loss already, passed us up proves we’re still being slighted. Hell, even Auburn moves up after barely beating Kentucky on the road.
Is Kentucky that much better than Iowa State?
The fear, and it is a legitimate fear, the Utes finish behind Boise State and I think there is a great chance of that happening. The BCS, when released, will probably have Utah at 12-15. That would be below where they were in 2004 and 2008 (where they only climbed to as high as 6th and 7th, I believe).
Boise will be either 2nd or 3rd. TCU potentially 5th.
We’ll get a big boost out of a win over the Frogs, but it’s questionable if it’ll be good enough to pass Boise.
So what happens if Utah doesn’t pass Boise? Well it means, on the day the BCS selects, the Utes will be sweating it out.
Utah is not guaranteed a spot in the BCS if they finish behind the Broncos.
Looking at how things are right now, there are a lot of potential at-large teams. Probably more than what we’re used to.
Look at it this way: there are five BCS bowl games counting the national championship. That means there will be 10 teams playing in a BCS bowl game early next year.
Of those 10 teams, we know the champion of the ACC, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC and Pac-10 will be slotted a spot in one of those five bowls. That leaves four spots.
Now two of those teams I mentioned above will play for the national championship. That opens up their spot in another BCS bowl game for an at-large team.
This is where Utah would benefit because back in 2004, there was stand alone title game. It always took up the spot of a BCS bowl, which meant one less bowl game and two less teams.
However, there are programs right now that may not win their conference that could gain an at-large bid. They are:
Iowa (Big Ten)
Michigan State (Big Ten)
LSU (SEC)
Nebraska (Big 12)
Oklahoma State (Big 12)
Oklahoma (Big 12)
Stanford (Pac-10)
Miami (ACC)
I believe it’s very likely Nebraska and Oklahoma are undefeated heading into the Big 12 championship. I also believe the loser, if that happens, will be guaranteed a spot in the BCS.
So now not only do you have the Big 12’s slot filled, but you have an at-large filled by the loser of that game.
Michigan State avoids Ohio State this year. They could realistically go undefeated and claim a share of the Big Ten. Yet they probably wouldn’t play for a national title if Ohio State wins out.
Look at the Spartans’ schedule the rest of the way:
Illinois
@ Northwestern
@ Iowa
Minnesota
Purdue
@ Penn State
That’s a winnable schedule.
They win out, they’re slotted a spot in the BCS. That leaves two spots.
We know Boise gets one if they’re rated higher than Utah.
Who gets the other?
Well that’s big question. Would Utah get in over a one-loss LSU team?
That’s why I’m surprised and ticked. Because this is the time where we need to make a move on Boise and we’re not. Ideally, it won’t matter. It’s very possible Utah wins out and gets the nod to a BCS game.
But it’s not set in stone. And with how wacky things have been, we could be left out for a one or two-loss SEC team.
things will change once we beat tcu nand a nationally televised game at notre dame.
that will make us 10-0 and i say we would be 4th in the country when we do it.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 10, 2010 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Boise had a front loaded schedule
Utah’s is back loaded, where it counts. Just watch, especially as other teams lose. If we win out, that means we’ll be over TCU. We won’t go into the Vegas Bowl as a top five team, the bCS will take us because we’ve been twice and everyone—and I do mean everyone—will say we deserve a shot at a better game. That might not be the NCG but it should be a better bowl.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
I am so cheering for Nevada in their game
Of course, Boise will hardly be battered on their road to Nevada. They get Hawaii and Fresno at home, the Hawaii game being huge for them at home—the Islands is a tough trip to make.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
You are Right...
Enjoy the Wins. Beat BSU in the kiddie bowl? It will be a nice win since we cancelled them for the next 3 years.
I want the national champtionshp, but unless legal kicks in, that is not going to happen. I believe we deserve a shot at the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHP,
Nonetheless, it and am grateful we have a chance to go 3-0 in BCS Bowls as a nonAQ, regardless of who we play. Like all of US have said for years, we’ll play anybody any day.
No matter what happens, UTAH will be the only team in HISTORY to go 3-0 in BCS Bowls as a NonAQ before the BCS implodes.
UTAH, SECOND TO NONE
"There are some people who are so negative they could walk into a dark room and develop." Les Brown
I hope you're right.
I hope an undefeated Utah team gets in.
Lots of scenarios that could keep us out, though, if we’re behind Boise State.
awfully premature, no?
Utah needs a moderate amount of help (on top of going undefeated) just to get into a BCS bowl.
ANGRY AS WELL
I agree with everyone above especially the exposure one. I live in WV and I go to the bar to watch Utah on the MTN and I went last night to watch it on FOX College Sports and thats the only sports station on direct tv they dont have. And 2 weeks ago they didnt show UTAH on the Mtn. I waited for ESPN to show highlights of the Utah game and I saw 4 plays. No respect from the God awful ESPN announcers Mark May and Lou Holtz and Reece Davis is an idot! No one respects Utah! We cracked the top 10 in 3 weeks of play blew out a Big 12 team and dropped to 11! I am sick and tired of hearing TCU and Boise St. They never talk about Utah! Its about time we get some respect. I hope when we move to the Pac 12 we get some TV coverage and some love from GODS of ESPN gameday and college football live. I don’t want to see that ugly ass blue field again on ESPN, I just don’t! I hope top 10 teams continue to lose and have UTAH dominate their opponents! Hopefully then we will receive love! I think Alabama should be out of the top 10 and Utah should be ahead of South Carolina! Alabama got rocked by what the 20th team in the country! and that team has 1 loss. Come on you dumb pollers, They freaking love the power houses and are stuck up all their asses they cant even see straight! (sorry for the lang.) But that made me angry today with the polls! and I am tweeting about it too! Wanna hear about it, follow me on Twitter Guys—- trentkrupica
by westvirginiautefan on Oct 10, 2010 1:40 PM MDT reply actions
ESPN is the "Fox News" of sports...
Don’t tell me these donkeys don’t have an agenda. 4 plays (2 returns, 2int’s) are top 10 play worthy, and not even a mention of the game. Sickening.
I wish someone with journalistic credibility called them out on it.
by Middy_U on Oct 10, 2010 1:54 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
...and what's worse...
Their lack of coverage is what is costing us spots in the polls.
Anyone who saw the game is raving…
http://www.amestrib.com/articles/2010/10/10/ames_tribune/sports/doc4cb14ac01c2bc907350800.txt
This is politics at it’s finest, and apparently ESPN has a slant that is to keep Utah out of the news. They are more of a tabloid than news.
by Middy_U on Oct 10, 2010 1:57 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Muddy water always comes clear...
Why should we expect anything different.? Savor the wins one week at a time. The less exposure we get, the better for us. At then end of the season it will be clear that Utah is Second to None.
"There are some people who are so negative they could walk into a dark room and develop." Les Brown
Read what Jazzy Ute said...
Vegas Bowl is a real possibility even if we go undefeated. Can’t just sit back and feel good like other years.
BCS doesn’t want to give any money to the MWC & the WAC. They don’t look for ways to include the non-AQ…they have to be left without options.
by Middy_U on Oct 10, 2010 2:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
How much you wanna bet...
We don’t get the same jump effect if we beat TCU. I can’t believe both South Carolina and Alabama are ranked above us 6 weeks in. 5-1 is not the same as 10-1. SoCar is 4-1. You gotta be kidding me.
And so long as they win, there is no way anyone will jump them.
I don't pour beer on Max Hall's family often, but when I do, I prefer Dos Equis.
Yup...
We won’t jump much if we beat TCU. Best case scenario, we’d move up a spot as teams ahead of us would just shift a spot forward.
Since we’re behind both Alabama and South Carolina, I don’t see us passing either. Even if we do beat TCU.
South Carolina plays @ Kentucky Saturday, so hopefully the Wildcats can pull off an upset there. They also travel to Gainsville.
So I suspect they won’t be a top-ten team for the entire season.
Then again, we also have to contend with Arkansas now.
Arkansas is right on our butt. They play @ Auburn Saturday. Auburn wins and they don’t move up, but the Hogs probably cease being a threat. Arkansas wins and Auburn will fall behind us, but Arkansas will most likely pass us.
So a lose-lose there.
After that, outside their game @ South Carolina, Arkansas has a pretty easy schedule – though they host LSU.
Alabama does have to go on the road against LSU. So that game, which happens the week we play TCU, could will knock one of them behind Utah if another team hasn’t already.
So hope there.
My guess, South Carolina loses one or two more games and finishes behind Utah.
There is hope with how many SEC teams play each other. I mentioned Arkansas and South Carolina. Well Alabama still plays @ LSU and hosts Auburn.
Auburn still has to host So. Carolina, Arkansas and LSU.
They could win all three and knock off two teams ahead of Utah.
So in that regard, we’re okay.
But how close will we be to Boise State in the computer rankings? The Broncos are going to have killer BCS rankings. They’ll be either 2nd or 3rd when the polls are released. Utah will be no better than 12th and maybe as bad as 18th.
We’ll have to climb A LOT in the next few weeks and even though we have some big games, I’m not sure we’ll get to the point where we can pass the Broncos. If we don’t pass the Broncos, then we’ve got to hope Ohio State wins out and Iowa knocks off Michigan State (leaving the Big Ten with one bid, which would go to the Buckeyes in the title game), Oregon wins out and either Nebraska or Oklahoma falters at least once before the Big 12 title game.
We’d get in over a two-loss at-large. I’m not sure we’d get in over a one-loss at-large.
Here's another fun one to ponder...
Oregon puts up 70 on the worst team in the FBS, and their offense is explosive.
We put up nearly 70 on a decent AQ school, and no mention of us ESPN, plus a drop in the polls.
Such a corrupt system. I hate that we’re a part of it now.
by Middy_U on Oct 10, 2010 3:57 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I hate it, but what're you going to do?
Next year we’ll be 100-times better off than we are now.
I can’t wait. It’s just a shame this season could be wasted because of the BCS. Though I’d still give Utah a 60% chance of playing in a BCS bowl game if they win out.
OK, Wait a minute...
Let’s huddle for a minute….what do we know?
The BCS is about MONEY. How do you get so much money and control?
Playoff PAC has got this NAILED. Lawyer dude in IOWA is going to have to confirm. But this is the biggest LEGAL BLOW to the BCS we have seen. HIT THEM WHERE IT HURTS…MONEY AND TAX EXEMPT STATUS. YOU CHEATED. YOU LIED. AND YOU JUST GOT CAUGHT BY THE IRS.
As I understand ths Playoff PAC has sought a Preliminary Injunction against the BCS which basically means CEASE AND DESIST because you LIED AND CHEATED and are NOT NON-PROFIT. ARE THEY GOING TO PUT THE USA VS. BCS ANTITRUST LAWSUIT ON THE TABLE WHILE SIMULATENOUSLY DEALING WITH FEDERAL ANTI-TRUST ISSUES (The only thing I like about Orin Hatch).
THEREFORE, all contracts you, the BCS, and all other parties have negotiated are NULL AND VOID, INCLUDING YOU, ESPN.
There is something we can do and UTE nation can figure it out without the PAC 12
"There are some people who are so negative they could walk into a dark room and develop." Les Brown
you guys are worrying a little too much.
we have 7 games left. two huge ones in a row with tcu and then notre dame. if we can beat notre dame by 21 points on nationally televised nbc channel we are going to get are props an dmove up aot imo. the only thing that pisses me off is the sec corruption in the polls. they actually kept the gators in with a 2 game losing streak? plus they 5 of them from 7 to 12th in the country. that is complete bullshit. who the hell has arkansas beaten. lets hope iowa state can beat either okie state or okie if they play them. they must play one of them.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 10, 2010 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed.
We’re going to be just fine.
Besides we need to clean up our charity or we’re not going to beat AF let alone TCU.
All we can do is play the teams we have on our slate. And that slate isn’t to bad when your compare it to BSU. The 2nd 1/2 is our friend. The SEC is week this year as is the Big 12. Doubtful anyone comes out of either undefeated… I think we’ll see plenty of teams in front of us fall. To be kind Oklahoma Alabama LSU and Auburn are not playing inspired football…. Nebraska can still stumble and we play TCU at home.
The kid’s are alright.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... S. Freud
this is arkansas schedule so far
1. tennessee tech
2.la monroe
3. georgia who has a losing record and lost to the buffs
4. bama who they lost too
5. oh boy they beat the always disppointing texas a&m by on td. its a joke. utah did not play an fcs team
guess who iowa state plays next. okie at their place. i will be watching that score. iowa state can really help us out b/c they have texas, nebraska and mizzou on their schedule. i hope they can win at least 1 if not 2 of those games
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 11, 2010 12:51 AM MDT up reply actions
From the start
This all starts with the BS that goes into preseason rankings. The SEC get all the hype and attention at the beginning of the year, 7 or more teams in the preseason top 25, then they schedule cupcake OOC games to preserve their rankings so when they play each other in their conference, a loss doesn’t hurt them a lot since their loss is to a ranked conference opponent. A perfect ex is the overrated gators, who have struggled at home even against awful teams, have lost two in a row and are still ranked 22nd. Any other team who plays like that and follows it with two lackluster losses would be out. Like jazzy, I have a hard time calling CF my favorite sport…hope this changes for the Utes once in the Pac.
when texas lost 2 games they were out of the rankings but when the gators lose to they put them at #22
the sec and their media connections are just so corrupt. i mean they do the right thing when texas losses two but if a traditional sec power losses two in a row well we can overlook that. the one good thing is lsu, south carolina, auburn and arkansas all have to beat on each other and bama still has five games with teams that have byes the week before. i think cam newton and auburn will beat them and i hope they slip up somewhere else b/c three losses, no sec cg.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. The most hated and misunderstood person on the MMA blogs.. Utah and Boise take care of business in week one. Don't be surprised if they both go undefeated.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Oct 11, 2010 12:56 AM MDT up reply actions
I have no issue with the rankings.
We moved up after beating SJSU and not playing. Our best win is Iowa St, who looks like a 6-6 team at best. Our five opponents have seven wins among them, with three coming against FCS competition and one coming against each other. Based on performance in 2010, we don’t deserve to be ahead of LSU or Michigan St, yet we are.
I expected something on ESPN, but I wasn’t surprised when there was nothing.
I don't care about those other teams...
I care about Boise State and to a lesser extent, Alabama.
The Broncos’ advantage this season is solely because they started the season so high.
TCU too.
But I don’t worry about TCU because we’ll play ’em.
We did start low
But that’s because we did not take care of business last year and when you play as poorly as we did last year and you’re not a “traditional power” you don’t get the ebenfit of the doubt.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
About your sig Aardvark...
not sure if its small boys and gentlemen or small boys and fumbling… it just seems creepy ever time I see it…. sorry ;-)
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by Ravenous Ute on Oct 11, 2010 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions
The BCS is BS.
…. but we already knew that. Next year we never have to worry about finishing 12-0 and going to the Vegas bowl. A lot can happen between now and the end of the season so chill… have a beer and enjoy our last year of discontent.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar... S. Freud
It is what it is
And it ain’t what it ain’t.
Trying to make it something else is basically a waste of good energy. Utah has got to man up and run up the score over everyone. Utah 102 BYU 0 would be sufficient.
I want evil Otto the Orange as SU's mascot.
by Michael Simpson on Oct 11, 2010 6:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Yup...
Whittingham says his team won’t RUTS. But of course I don’t expect him to say that they will to the media.
The Utes can easily RUTS and do it in a way where they’re not looking ridiculous. That happened Saturday.
Whittingham has said...
…No RUTS rule doesn’t apply to the Holy War… only rule that does apply is not to overlook the Zoo, like that would ever happen…
Zoo Cougar n. A "special" breed of feline, characterized by its propensity to have its attempts at swallowing a canary inevitably resulting in its choking on crow. See also: Zoobie, Cosmo Nut, Sexless Cat, Hippo-C-Rat origin: It takes a special kind of kitty to try and swallow the canary and end up choking on crow. --Ute Proverb
by Ravenous Ute on Oct 13, 2010 3:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Pollspeak.com
I dont know if you all have seen this website but check it out if you haven’t. pollspeak.com it shows all of the AP ballots and who picked who also it lets you rate the good and bad AP voters.
ESPN has done a preliminary BCS Calculation
And Utah is not to be seen.
Utah’s BCS hopes are in its own hands. And that’s how sports should be played. Run the table, beat AF, ND and TCU handily, and people will stand up and take notice. Whining about the BCS not being nice or is incompetent or is banging my girlfriend gets us nowhere. Change the rules or play by the rules, but whining like my teenage son is dull and useless.
Besides, next year, Utah gets to prove what they are, and all of this bitchin’ will disappear.
I want evil Otto the Orange as SU's mascot.
by Michael Simpson on Oct 11, 2010 6:08 PM MDT reply actions
What does Mack Brown, Nick Saban do...
…when they think they’re underrated?
Who cares about ‘next year’…this team is good THIS YEAR, and they still may not make a BCS Bowl even if they run the table.
What that means for a Utah fan is playing in the Vegas Bowl vs. the 5th Pac-10 team. Rather than the BCS “banging my girlfriend”…they leave us, the Long Dong Silver of the non-AQ, at home with a bottle of lotion and a box of tissue paper.
by Middy_U on Oct 11, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LMAO
OK, that was hysterical.
Let’s say Utah runs the table, and beats off…I mean all by huge margins. Including the scum down south. Show me how the BCS could exclude Utah.
I want evil Otto the Orange as SU's mascot.
by Michael Simpson on Oct 11, 2010 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions
It's all about the 1 loss AQ teams. Remember, the BCS isn't about the best teams getting included...
Jazzy Ute said it best…it’s above, but I’ll just copy it for simplicity sake…
That’s what some of you aren’t account for here. In years past, I was okay with Utah dropping because Boise State was behind us and when we dropped, they generally dropped with us.
It’s different this year. We’re behind the Broncos and we need to find some way to gain on them before that TCU game or we’re realistically looking at finishing the season a spot or two behind them – even if we beat TCU.
Ideally, we’d still get picked for a BCS bowl and everything would be fine.
But college football is rarely ideal. Ask Boise State in 2004 and 2008. Hell, had it not been for Oklahoma State losing to the Sooners last year at the end of the season, the Broncos would’ve been left out of the BCS bowl picture for two years in a row.
Luckily for them, the Cowboys lost and the BCS picked the Broncos.
But as 2004 and 2008 showed us, sometimes there really is only room for one team. And as much as I’d like to think Utah has gained enough respect to get in, I’m not seeing it this week. The fact South Carolina, a team with one loss already, passed us up proves we’re still being slighted. Hell, even Auburn moves up after barely beating Kentucky on the road.
Is Kentucky that much better than Iowa State?
The fear, and it is a legitimate fear, the Utes finish behind Boise State and I think there is a great chance of that happening. The BCS, when released, will probably have Utah at 12-15. That would be below where they were in 2004 and 2008 (where they only climbed to as high as 6th and 7th, I believe).
Boise will be either 2nd or 3rd. TCU potentially 5th.
We’ll get a big boost out of a win over the Frogs, but it’s questionable if it’ll be good enough to pass Boise.
So what happens if Utah doesn’t pass Boise? Well it means, on the day the BCS selects, the Utes will be sweating it out.
Utah is not guaranteed a spot in the BCS if they finish behind the Broncos.
Looking at how things are right now, there are a lot of potential at-large teams. Probably more than what we’re used to.
Look at it this way: there are five BCS bowl games counting the national championship. That means there will be 10 teams playing in a BCS bowl game early next year.
Of those 10 teams, we know the champion of the ACC, Big East, Big 12, Big Ten, SEC and Pac-10 will be slotted a spot in one of those five bowls. That leaves four spots.
Now two of those teams I mentioned above will play for the national championship. That opens up their spot in another BCS bowl game for an at-large team.
This is where Utah would benefit because back in 2004, there was stand alone title game. It always took up the spot of a BCS bowl, which meant one less bowl game and two less teams.
However, there are programs right now that may not win their conference that could gain an at-large bid. They are:
Iowa (Big Ten)
Michigan State (Big Ten)
LSU (SEC)
Nebraska (Big 12)
Oklahoma State (Big 12)
Oklahoma (Big 12)
Stanford (Pac-10)
Miami (ACC)
I believe it’s very likely Nebraska and Oklahoma are undefeated heading into the Big 12 championship. I also believe the loser, if that happens, will be guaranteed a spot in the BCS.
So now not only do you have the Big 12’s slot filled, but you have an at-large filled by the loser of that game.
Michigan State avoids Ohio State this year. They could realistically go undefeated and claim a share of the Big Ten. Yet they probably wouldn’t play for a national title if Ohio State wins out.
Look at the Spartans’ schedule the rest of the way:
Illinois
@ Northwestern
@ Iowa
Minnesota
Purdue
@ Penn State
That’s a winnable schedule.
They win out, they’re slotted a spot in the BCS. That leaves two spots.
We know Boise gets one if they’re rated higher than Utah.
Who gets the other?
Well that’s big question. Would Utah get in over a one-loss LSU team?
That’s why I’m surprised and ticked. Because this is the time where we need to make a move on Boise and we’re not. Ideally, it won’t matter. It’s very possible Utah wins out and gets the nod to a BCS game.
But it’s not set in stone. And with how wacky things have been, we could be left out for a one or two-loss SEC team.
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Middy…?? Hmm.. midshipman?
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