Pac-Ten expansion will happen
This may be a bold statement, but I believe it to be true. I don't have any facts to back up this claim, however, from what I have heard over the last day or so, expansion is almost inevitable and we should have an official announcement by spring. Now whether that announcement is that the Utes will be joining the conference, I can't say (because I do not know).
With expansion, this is how it generally happens. If you remember back when the Mountain West expanded to include TCU there were rumors tossed around as early as 2003 that the conference was seriously looking at the potential of adding another team. Here is a story from June of that year which discusses the possibility.
The interesting thing about this article is that it didn't seem the conference was too open to the idea of expansion. Chris Hill, Utah's athletic director, had this to say about a potential ninth team:
"We're pretty solid the way we are, so I don't know that we need to change right now," Hill said. "I'd like to see what shakes out around the country before we do anything. I think we have the luxury of being able to afford to do that."
Of course, the ACC raided the Big East and the whole dynamics changed. Which is exactly what we're seeing between the Pac-Ten and Big Ten. The Big Ten is obviously going to force the Pac-Ten's hands similarly to how the ACC forced the Mountain West to expand (though I'm still trying to figure out how a BCS league expanding influenced the Mountain West - a non-BCS league - to do the same).
This was in the summer of 2003. At that point, it was just rumor and not hardly concrete. In fact, the quotes provided from that article would have led many to believe that expansion was still not a very likely scenario for the Mountain West. Today, it seems that most have jumped aboard the belief that the Pac-Ten's expanding is not only likely, but inevitable.
In the case of the Mountain West, nothing happened the remainder of the summer outside of the ACC taking Miami and Virginia Tech from the Big East. The Big East then grabbed a few C-USA teams (South Florida, Louisville, Cincinnati) and by late-2003, the pressure was on for the Mountain West to grab another team to bring their total to nine.
In January of 2004, the Mountain West moved on the rumor and officially invited TCU to the conference. After a short discussion between the board of trustees, Texas Christian officially accepted the invite on January 30th. They became an official Mountain West member a year and a half later in July of 2005.
This seems like a similar path Utah is heading down right now with the Pac-Ten. So far, we're only in the rumor stage. Articles being published about the prospects of the Pac-Ten expanding. Nothing official has been announced and certainly no invitation has been offered to either Utah, BYU or Colorado.
Based on history, if the P10 does expand, they're going to announce in the next few weeks, if not sooner. What I believe will happen is that the conference will let it be known this month that they have decided to expand. They won't say who they're expanding with, just that the league is now doing a thorough evaluation of every prospective program. It will prove to be a big list. Most teams won't have a legitimate shot.
Not long after this announcement and they will officially invite two programs to join the conference. The rest will be history. Utah has a very good shot of being one of those programs.
If that is the case, the Utes might officially be a member-in-waiting of the Pacific Ten (Twelve) Conference by the beginning of spring. Which means that it is very likely Utah will be playing in their final season as a Mountain West team.
Of course, if nothing comes of this, at least it will provide a wild ride.
Let the games begin...
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Washington State fan here
I think expansion is very likely to happen, and I think Utah is a no brainer to be a top candidate. The big question is, who else? I don’t think BYU would be asked because of the Cultural differences and the fact that they don’t add to the Pac-10’s TV footprint (assuming Utah was added). Another common name thrown around is Colorado. Now a move from the big-12 to the pac-10 is seen by many as a lateral move. The only way this becomes a big upgrade is if another big-12 school gets poached to the big-10. If this were to happen, I would expect Utah and Colorado to be added to the Pac-10.
However, If BYU is not an option and Colorado declines, where would the pac-10 go? There are some options, but they are not very good ones. There is Nevada, Fresno state, UNLV, Hawaii, San Diego State… the list gets dryer (Please don’t mention Boise state). I could rehash all the reasons why these schools don’t work, but that has been done already.
The Pac-10 could find itself in a real predicament trying to get a 12th team. I would like to think they could at least float Texas, Nebraksa or another big-12 school, but that is not very probable. What do you guys think?
That's a good question.
Maybe the kink in all of this. I don’t think the P10 would include BYU, even if they couldn’t find a second option to go along with the Utes.
But I also have to believe that they would not be making this move unless they knew Colorado would accept.
We’ll see, though. I guess UNLV/SDSU/CSU/Utah State could be options.
If expansion happens...
I think Oregon, OSU, and UW all get screwed. With 12 teams, divisions will probably be a must and it would most likely be a North/South division. Ask Colorado how they like it now. If they do it, they should keep the round robin football schedule and only be allowed 2 non-conference games. That would assure the Pac 12 of being the strongest conference around. SEC doesn’t have the cajones to do that.
Keeping the round robin schedule or expanding it would be a disaster
It is part of what has hurt the pac-10 in recent years. You mention the SEC as not having the cajones to do that. The reason they don’t is more conference games=more losses for your conference. You could have the best conference in the nation but if they all beat each other and only get two chances to play other teams, your going to have a ton of 7-5 teams that could be 8-9 win teams. Your also going to have a much tougher time going undefeated (ask USC).
by spencer peaty on Feb 11, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
Why not Wyoming?
We have to throw Wyoming into the mix. The climate, location, culture, and tradition of academic excellence all fit the PAC-10 perfectly…
Seriously though, I don’t know why Colorado would want to join the PAC-10. It’s more travel, more competetive than the big 12 north, and there’s no traditional rivalries. I don’t think expansion will happen.
by GodisBrianJohnson on Feb 11, 2010 1:12 PM MST reply actions
The number one priority of expanding is increasing revenue.
In this age, the number one way to add revenue to a conference is to add TV sets. Wyoming does not do that.
by spencer peaty on Feb 11, 2010 1:14 PM MST up reply actions
2 teams per state
The argument that BYU does not add anything more to the table in regards to the Salt Lake TV market might/might not be valid. Regardless, that argument is moot once I bring up schools like: Washington St., Oregon St., and Arizona St. These schools would not be in PAC-10 if the same TV market argument being used for BYU happens. I also believe the PAC-10 will strongly consider keeping their two teams per state intact. Now I do not know how the academics will work with the instutions being considered, but I can only imagine that will be very important in joining the PAC-10. My choice for expansion schools would be: Utah-BYU, Colorado-Air Force, and the big one….Texas-Texas A&M.
Let me offer an explanation
The reason there are 2 teams geographically in the same/similar TV market in the Pac-10 now is because 8 of these teams have been in the same conference since the 1920’s. They share a rich history and there is no reason to break them up.
Fast forward to 1978 when ASU and Arizona were added. At this time expanding for the purposes of adding TV sets was not a priority. It was probably a concern, but not nearly to the point it is today. People should keep in mind the pac-10 will be negotiating a big new TV deal soon. While the TV issues are not the only reason to expand, it is the driving force behind how it will convince the current Pac-10 teams to expand.
But I will say that if there were not other issues with BYU (Cultural, no sunday games) they would have a better chance.
by spencer peaty on Feb 11, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah. I don't think two-teams, one-state matters much anymore.
And if it does matter, it certainly won’t cancel out the negatives BYU has to face.
I do think expansion happens if Colorado accepts. If they don’t, I don’t see how the P10 expands because there just isn’t an equal team, outside BYU, that they could bring along with Utah.
Maybe TCU? But would the conference really want that?
i'll bet the give out the invites before usc gets the news on what happens in terms of sanctions.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 24, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions

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