Finding enough emotion in the Hoops Rivalry.
I've been pretty known for my emotions toward BYU. It is true, I do not like BYU much. But that was in the context of the football team. I have no reservations about using the word hate and BYU football in the same sentence.
Yet as we're only a few days out from the final rivalry basketball game of the season, I am having a helluva time mustering the same amount of emotion toward the Hardwood Cougars as I have for their gridiron brethren.
I just don't hate BYU basketball. Now I'm not going soft here. I don't like them. I've never cheered on the Cougars and don't foresee a moment where I would. But it isn't as deep or as heated of a rivalry as we've come to see on the football field.
I have a hard time disliking Dave Rose. I think he is an incredible man who has not only fought odds in real life, but on the basketball court. I envy the job he has done down in Provo and believe he is one of the best basketball coaches in the country. The way he carries himself, interacts with the media and represents his school only makes him that much more likable.
He is not a Roger Reid or a Bronco Mendenhall - two solid coaches who, without question, are not very well liked within the Ute community. He doesn't have the weird style and quirks of Steve Cleveland and he's surely not as intellectually questionable as Gary Crowton.
There isn't much to not like. He wins. He does it generally with class and he's proven to be an exceptional person on and off the court.
When that is your enemy, it becomes even more difficult to dislike, specifically hate, the opposition.
So you move on to the players. But even there I have a hard time finding that perpetual bogeyman. Sure, there was Chris Miles' kick on Bogut a few years ago and Jackson Emery's flop of all flops. But that's kids stuff compared to what we've seen out of the football team lately.
Even the fans are different. BYU basketball fans can be annoying, for sure, but they don't have that sense of entitlement like when it comes to their football team. Maybe they understand their place in the college basketball world better than in football. Maybe they've resigned themselves to the fact they'll be a good program, sometimes very good, but never great. History has proven that out. I mean, the last time BYU did anything major on the national stage was years before I was born.
They haven't had a deep NCAA Tournament run since 1981 and are one of the winningest programs without a Final Four appearance.
But their fans seem to understand this. Their fans generally concede that they are not the most dominant and successful program in the conference. Sure, they have won a good number of conference championships, but where it counts - in the NCAA Tournament - they've flopped. They haven't made the second round since 1993, a stretch of seven games without one victory.
Their tournament record does not match their regular season prestige. And most BYU fans will tell you this. Which is odd because the football team faces a similar situation where their postseason accomplishments are generally scarce. But the approach both teams see from their fans is unquestionably different. BYU basketball fans might not be content with their lack of success outside of the regular season - but they admit it's there.
It's harder to find the same admission toward their football team.
Now obviously BYU has had a better five-year stretch than Utah. That isn't up for debate. The Cougars are leaps and bounds better as a program today than the Utes. But that should make me hate them more, right? The fact they're succeeding while our program, at least right now, seems stuck in neutral.
Yet I can't. I can't find the hate.
There just isn't that emotion like with what we get from the football rivalry. I'm not apathetic, but I can tell you when Utah lost earlier this season down in Provo I was not emotionally devastated like I have been recently with losses to the Cougars in football.
Maybe that isn't such a bad thing. I don't know. What I do know is that I can tolerate BYU basketball far more than football, even with their recent success over Utah.
Now if only their football team would catch up.
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i am with ya
that the football rivalry is leaps and bounds more intense than basketball. i think this year might be even less exciting because of utah’s struggles. if utah was up there at the top of the conference, i would be going out of my mind leading up to this game. unfortunately, my mind is about made up on byu this year. and its alot like how the season played out in football.
great start. grabbed national attention early in the year, which kept the football team and this basketball team ranked all season. but each time national media begins reporting about byu, they lose a big game that would have showed the deserved the high praise. i was tired of seeing idiot byu fans predict 20-25 point wins over what they called an overrated lobo team. (tcu memories in football anyone?)
bronco is well above rose in my opinion, in one key ability, showing up in big games. i am sick of watching byu crush the lower half of the mwc and have no-shows against better opponents.
whether or not it was rose or jimmer who decided to keep a naismith award finalist on the bench is beyond me, but it was pathetic. what would have happened if rose wasnt bailed out by loyd!? and i dont buy byu fans who think rose KNEW loyd had this in him, because it hadnt happened before in a game. i lost alot of respect for jimmer and will always question his toughness. he better get used to being called a pussy now, cuz he will hear it the rest of his byu career. one of my first thoughts was how he gave great ammo to ute fans.
alright, my predictions for the season. i do think utah has a GREAT chance of winning this game. its a toss up to me. i think byu loses in the second round of the mwc tourney, looks like it will be to unlv. and i predict a 6 seed, get their first round win drought over with, but in unimpressive fashion. then lose big in the second game.
and jazzy, didnt tavernari give you ute fans any hateful emotion this past game?! kid drove me crazy and he is on MY team. i think he lost the game casting up his heroic 3 with a minute left from WAY downtown. AND he looks most at fault for allowing that offensive rebound/putback.
college hoops
the rivalry definitely isn’t there for basketball, i mean fans will show up for the game and there will be some emotions with the hardcore hoops fans, but I one of those ute fans like many that just don’t’ really care much for it. And it’s not just the rivalry but to me the enthusiasm for college hoops in utah is no where near the enthusiasm for college football has been the past decade. i can’t remember the last time I went to a ute basketball game, it’s been that long, the games just aren’t that appealing to me, at the same time you will always see me attending a utes football game even against the crappy teams.
I think I mostly miss Rick Majerus, he’s the type of coach you can either love or hate, but at the end of the day you respect him. Looks like he’s leading St. Louis to a great season, if there is a team I would root for in the tourney it would be them.
i like college football much better so yes i want utah to beat byu by 4 td's every time.
not so much into basketball so if new mexico or byu or even unlv can go far in the tournament i wish them well. i hope they beat up on some east coast schools too. anything to make the confernece better and to get more publicity for us.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 2, 2010 12:00 PM MST reply actions
expansion
all the talk about expansion lately, i would much rather see the MWC stay together and become a bcs conference. With byu, utah and tcu doing it for football, its important to be getting possibly 4 schools in the ncaa tournament. get the bcs status and both byu and utah will benefit greatly. so i am with you that rooting for the success of a rival is tough, but it is less painful, even easy to do, when their success directly improves your own school’s value
i agree on keeping the mwc together and who would make the decision if utah was invited
to the pac-ten. university president? some board or committee members? does the athletic director get any input?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood"
by wolfmanshowlforever on Mar 3, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions
I don't care what sport it is...
I loathe BYU…pure and simple. I’m like Max Hall but in reverse. Doesn’t matter what sport. That being said, I feel like the football game is a bigger deal because it is only once a year, there is an entire week of hype before the game and the stakes are higher. There are only 12 games in a football season making the game itself that much more important.
You're right. There haven't been many BYU-Utah bball games with a lot on the line.
The last few years especially, the Utah-BYU football games have been pretty big. Both teams really good.
Utah hasn’t been anything in basketball the last five seasons. Sure, last year was good, but even then the intensity of the basketball game didn’t come close to the level it did with the football games.
Maybe back in the 70s and 80s when Utah football sucked. I guess then it was huge. Probably epic. But I wasn’t alive, so I can’t chime in. Would be interesting to hear what those peoples’ experience was back then toward the rivalry.

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