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College Football Super Conferences and the pending non-BCS Apocalypse

With yesterday's news the Pac Ten was set to raid the Big 12 for half their programs, college football as we know it was put on notice. This is the first shot in what could turn out to be a groundbreaking and revolutionary change in the way we look at college athletics. 

Or it's nothing more than more rumormongering that will, over time, prove to be nothing.

But what if it isn't? What if we're watching the beginning stages of a massive overhaul? That could leave Utah, and every other non-BCS team for that matter, on the outside looking in. 

For football fans already on the inside, the thought of super conferences is intriguing. Mostly because it ups the potential for some seriously amazing match ups. Could you imagine USC and Texas playing for the P16 title? That would provide must see television. Especially if it's anything close to the 2005 national championship. 

But where does that leave everyone else?

That's the question most important to us because, after all, we're Ute fans. I really don't care if the Big Ten expands by taking Nebraska and Missouri - unless it impacts Utah. 

This, though, does impact Utah. The landscape of college football would change if super conferences are implemented and unfortunately, it's very possible Utah won't ever be included. 

Now this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone because I think the BCS has been looking to do something like this for years now. They understand the threat of non-BCS teams and I don't believe a Boise State included Mountain West changes that. There will still be programs capable of breaking into the system. And they don't want that. 

So what better way to handicap the non-BCS by eliminating a tiered system within division one football? It sounds absurd at first, but let's remember this is the same sport that brought us a discriminatory system to begin with. 

The leap between what the BCS is today and the Super Conference BCS is not that far, in my opinion.

In fact, I think, if this goes down, we'll start to see that happen. The regional super conferences will dominate the sport to the point where programs like Utah and BYU and Boise State and TCU won't have any chance of contending at the top. Then we'll get a playoff that, unfairly, includes only programs from the Super Three or Four (depending on what the ACC does). 

It's kind of genius in the sense we get the actual playoff everyone has been screaming about without including the pesky so-called lower-levelers like the Utes. 

Over time, the non-BCS aspect of college football will be phased out. All the money will be invested into the Super Conferences and eventually, we'll all be forced to drop down a level. Maybe not to the Football Championship Subdivision, but certainly not at the level of the Super Four. 

I mean, you can't contend with that, right? 

Hopefully I'm overreacting and it's possible I am. But how does the Mountain West contend with the possibility of the formation of super conferences, even if they take Kansas and Kansas State from the defunct Big 12? Sadly, they can't and probably won't.

So if this does happen, Utah might lose more than just their spot in the potentially expanded Pac Whatever.

Yikes. 

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Big Ten did it

The Big Ten was gong after a super conference, everyone knows it, and a panicked PAC-10 is deciding to move now rather than wait to see Texas be coerced or bought or sweet talked into a deal with a newly configured SEC. If the big 10 moves, the SEC mopves aggressivley, etc. PAC-10 has most to lose out on so they had to move first.

by Aardvark on Jun 4, 2010 6:34 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't disagree...

It’s a needed move. It just sucks that, under this scenario, we’re not in it.

by JazzyUte on Jun 4, 2010 12:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

This sucks!!!

I’m in the same apocalyptic frame of mind. I was reading these rumors and something inside me started shouting, “NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!” Conference expansion talk was cute and fun when it looked like Utah was going to be part of a Pac12, or maybe a Big12 that included Texas. If this Pac16 rumor goes down, if Texas hooks up with USC, mark my words, Utah will be on the outside of major college football looking in, and in an even worse way than now.

by CrimsonUte on Jun 4, 2010 8:59 AM MDT reply actions  

Actually . . .

I think it’s a greta thing for the University of Utah if it goes down the way of leaving us out, and I will tell you why:

As a University, I want them ot be competitive in, but not obsessed wih, sports. If the school expends more energies on pursuit of academic funding as a result, bravo.

by Aardvark on Jun 4, 2010 10:02 AM MDT reply actions  

Well I agree overall...

But this is an athletics blog first. And it’d really, really blow if Utah is forced down a level because of the BCS.

by JazzyUte on Jun 4, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

"When was the last time

80,000 people showed up to see a kid do a chemistry experiment?"

by ricola22 on Jun 4, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

The same time 80,000 people

Fit into Rice Stadium.

Also, as long as people think that’s a proper analogy, then Utah will have both a second rate football league and a second rate eductaion attached to it.

by Aardvark on Jun 5, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

since the big ten ,sec and pac-ten all have the sights set on the big 12 they will all not win

do the math. there are not enough teams to go around to these 3 conferences. i like the fact the the big boys will devour some of their own. i say if the big east and big 12 conference’s lose their teams we will get the fifth aq bcs conference. espn now has rights to show the bcs? the bcs contract last quite a few more years. so the ncaa would break the bcs conference contract and create something new. i just don’t see it. too many things have to come together. it never works out that perfectly.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood". Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". "And that's just what these hustlers look for. They cruise from casino to casino looking for weak dealers the way lions look for weak antelope". Ace Rothstein, The Movie "Casino" 1995. My name is puzzy, puzzy galore. I must be in heaven. "Goldfinger" The man with the midas touch. To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day".

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 4, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

i just looked up that link.

no way that happens.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. I was building a house, I don't deserve this, deserves have nothing to do with it. Bang. "Unforgiven" I drink your milkshake. I drink it up! "There Will BE Blood". Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse." Event Horizon". Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean, I mean plumb, mad dog mean. cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live or win. That's just the way it is. "The Outlaw Josey Wales". "And that's just what these hustlers look for. They cruise from casino to casino looking for weak dealers the way lions look for weak antelope". Ace Rothstein, The Movie "Casino" 1995. My name is puzzy, puzzy galore. I must be in heaven. "Goldfinger" The man with the midas touch. To protect the sheep you gotta catch the wolf, and it takes a wolf to catch a wolf. "Training Day".

by wolfmanshowlforever on Jun 4, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

Disagree with their B12 expansion predictions...

IF the P10 & B10 raid the B12, there won’t be much room for them to negotiate with the teams they have left with only Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State.

What would happen is that the MWC then would be in the position to expand and add Kansas and K-State, along with probably the other schools mentioned.

But even that MWC (or B12 if it happens), is nowhere near as powerful as the other Power Conferences.

Only Utah, TCU, BSU and maybe, MAYBE BYU are good.

These Super Conferences are going to be six or seven programs deep.

by JazzyUte on Jun 4, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes

I think Utah, BYU and boise, maybe Air Force, Colorado State could get some midwestern teams into a very fine conference.

I am all for a Midwestern Scenario.

by Aardvark on Jun 5, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Also disagree with their B12 expansion predictions

The MWC could do the following: (9)
Raid the B12 remnants
Kansas (10), K. St. (11)
Raid the WAC
Boise St. (12), Fresno St. (13), Nevada (14)
Raid Conference USA
Houston (15), Tulsa (16)

Other possible substitutions for teams listed above
Iowa St (B12), Baylor (B12), Nevada (WAC), San Jose (WAC), New Mexico St. (WAC), UTEP, SMU, Rice(CUSA)

Western Division
Utah, BYU, UNLV, Nevada, San Diego, New Mexico, Boise St., Fresno St.
Eastern Division
Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, TCU, Houston, Kansas, K. St., Tulsa

Teams by state
California (2), Nevada (2), Utah (2), Colorado (2), Texas (2), Kansas (2), Idaho (1), Oklahoma (1), Wyoming (1), New Mexico (1)

by daedalus17 on Jun 4, 2010 2:23 PM MDT reply actions  

The remaining Big 12 could invite 8 more teams.

Baylor, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State don’t look like much on paper but they would still have an AQ bid for 2012 and 2013 in the lock. Adding Boise State, Utah, TCU, BYU, Air Force, Houston, Tulsa, Fresno St. and Nevada would be an interesting conference.

I think I got a post for tomorrow at BCS Evolution…

BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter

by utesfan100 on Jun 4, 2010 9:31 PM MDT reply actions  

I guess 16, not 12, is the new magic number.

So, lets add the rest of the old SWC teams, SMU and UTEP, and two teams of your choice.

I can’t decide between CSU, New Mexico, UNLV and Wyoming.

BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter

by utesfan100 on Jun 4, 2010 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Some posters here have it correct

The best case scenario us is praying that the Big XII outcasts invite most of the MWC + Boise + Louisville for a new Big XII or Big XIV. We need solid leadership on this one and decidedly bold action. Also, I don’t know if merging the MTN West with the Big XII can legally happen, but they sure as hell better try.

by Mattreedah on Jun 6, 2010 4:41 PM MDT reply actions  

I don't know...

at this point if six of the Big XII leave for the PAC 10 and 2 for the Big 10, that doesn’t leave much left. I think that conference could be done.

I think the best scenario is for something to still fall apart allowing the Utes to sneak into the PAC 10. I just don’t know if that will happen at this point though. Perhaps Texas will force Baylor to replace Colorado and then the MWC could add Boise, CU, and someone like Houston. That wouldn’t be a bad 12 team conference. Problem with that though would still be the nations perception of the MWC in general. I’m not sure that would be enough for the MWC if a couple of these super conferences are made.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 6, 2010 10:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

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