Continuing the Utah-BYU rivalry
by JazzyUte on Jul 20, 2010 8:23 PM MDT
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One of the biggest unknowns about Utah's move to the Pac-10 will be the continuation of the Holy War - the most contentious rivalry in the non-BCS.
Even Cougar athletic director Tom Holmoe is unsure about its future. Especially when you consider the Utes don't really have to schedule BYU in the future. We're not in the same conference anymore, so it's not a mandatory game.
Of course, we all know the rivalry will be hard to kill. There is a lot invested in it and even Chris Hill said he was not about to let it die. But as Utah football begins a new chapter, will it include the Cougars? Should it include the Cougars?
That's the pressing question that might not be answered for a year or two. Depending on what happens prior to the 2011 season, this November's contest could be the last Holy War in a while. Maybe decades. Maybe ever.
Should Utah continue the Holy War, or allow it to die?
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i like the fact that colorado will be out new rival.
considering i think we will blow them out this year i would not mind if we did not play them for a couple of years. lets see what happens after a couple of years in the pac-12 and then decide. p.s. i would rather keep byu on the schedule than utah state.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 20, 2010 8:45 PM MDT reply actions
Wow. The voting is close.
I really thought this was not even a serious question.
THE SHOW MUST GO ON!
BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter
Just stupid...
those of you who are voting to let it die are insane? Have you ever even been to a rivalry game? You don’t let a rivalry like that just die. Stop being smug asses just because we’re on our way to the PAC 10. The rivalry game is way too much fun and needs to continue annually.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Exactly...
we’re not even there yet and some people are already looking down on the MWC and non-BCS schools.
It’s ridiculous people.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Especially since the MWC may be a BCS league yet.
BCS Evolution -- Punctuating the Equilibrium - twitter
i am not putting down the mwc and it even says so in my sig . we could take a year off or two
then continue it. i think there were a few years we did not play them in the 40’s?
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 45 days and counting to the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 22, 2010 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions
This game
would likely be played first in sept like CU-CSU. I’m all for playing this, but also don’t want to risk players acting out of pure emotion causing suspension or injury so early on in the season. We still have to compete in the Pac 10. If it continues, I would like to see this played last as tradition has allowed. Utah now has the edge and will recruit more talent to spank tabernacle tech, so why stop playing it now?
To play it last, you'll have to play it very late
since UU-CU will undoubtedly be set the same weekend as the Apple Cup (UW-WSU), Civil War (OU-OSU), Big Game (Cal-Stanford), etc.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 21, 2010 7:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Tabernacle Tech
I like the alliteration, but I don’t think Tabernacle Tech is an accurate description. More like Tabernacle Home Ec.
I'm not a BYU fan or a Utah fan but
The rivalry must go on. It’s the most fascinating non-BCS rivalry game behind Army-Navy.
"Dodger fans aren’t happy when foul balls get into their section, because it interferes with their playing with the beachball"- Mike Krukow
As an SC fan
I can sympathize with playing a non-conference, private, religious university as a rival. I’m sure you guys will manage.
There's a big difference though.
What does Utah have to gain by keeping up with it, if you think about it?
USC/ND is a national TV game (except for the rare horrid years where both teams stink). It’s an intersectional game that draws fans from across the country to attend each season. USC and ND both came into the game with tradition and have built tradition ever since. Both schools benefit immensely from the rivalry, even when things are “down” for one team or the other.
BYU is hardly Notre Dame in about a thousand ways- whether in terms of tradition, being part of American sports culture, even in terms of respectable academics (here come the BYU fans flaunting some sort of ratings they’ll find somewhere, and I’ll begin by replying with one word: “farms”).
As an outsider I would think a continued rivalry with BYU seems like it would be about as worthwhile as one with Utah State. If you win, great, whoop de doo, you beat the obnoxious team with a homer fanbase down the freeway that isn’t in your conference and wishes they were. If you lose, you look like a joke and take a hit.
Rodney Sermons is my #5
by Brad Otton Is My Homeboy on Jul 22, 2010 11:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I’d say rivalries are more about maintaining established fans. It may not bring in big TV numbers or national attention, but there’s a reason schools like Colorado and Nevada schedule non-conference rivals. It rallies the base and harnesses a lot of the fans energy.
When things start getting lopsided WSU-Idaho style it might be time to rethink things, but the Holy War’s been competitive for a while now.
I’m sure Utah will build rivalries in the Pac-10 — I actually think ASU has a chance to challenge their “assigned” rival CU in that regard — but for now I don’t know why Utah would cut ties with its biggest rival.
by Lumber Baron on Jul 22, 2010 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
I see your point..
The only thing on the line is bragging rights, but we already have that now being in the pac . If we win, nobody nationally even cares. If we lose, you take a big hit. How does playing that game benefit the U? A part of me would like to see this game die… but beating the hell out of them and watching their pathetic fans make excuses is worth almost anything.
Beating BYU not meaningless
BYU is usually ranked in the top 25. Beating them helps the Utes, and losing to a ranked team isn’t necessarily a “big hit.” National respect is overrated and far less important than the quality of this rivalry. Killing the BYU-Utah rivalry takes away alot of the enjoyment of Utah football.
by GodisBrianJohnson on Jul 25, 2010 11:41 AM MDT reply actions
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