Iowa State and Utah could drop game next year; what does it mean for the Holy War in '11?
by JazzyUte on Jul 28, 2010 6:50 PM MDT
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PrintEven though the two meet this season, talks are already beginning about the potential of dropping Iowa State's return trip to Salt Lake City next season.
This would make sense because both teams will face radically different conferences next season. The Cyclones with the revamped nine-team Big 12 and Utah with their move to the Pac-10.
Losing the Iowa State game, in my opinion, isn't a big deal. Sure, it would be disappointing that we're essentially doing a one and done on the road - but it's not like the Cyclones are some football force.
The bigger news, though, is that this would provide an opening on Utah's 2011 schedule. That opening could theoretically be filled by the Cougars.
Of course, there are still issues with this.
For starters, this was a home game and I doubt the Utes replace Iowa State with a road game. They've already got road contests against Pitt and Boise State (at the moment) scheduled and it's not likely they schedule three out of conference road games. Especially when they could realistically have four conference road games.
But that's the problem. BYU travels to Salt Lake City this year and already have road trips against Oregon State and Texas. It's unlikely they would A) be willing to play consecutive years in Salt Lake and B) have three road out of conference games themselves.
So that means we're really looking at a roadblock here. In fact, the more I think about it, the more it seems likely the game will have to take a one year hiatus just to fairly balance out the schedules without radically adjusting things.
An option that could happen is if the Utes use that newly opened home slot and negotiate a deal with Boise State so that the game is played in Salt Lake City instead of Boise. Obviously a return date would be set up. Though, like with BYU, the Broncos have two road games already scheduled for 2011 (Ole Miss and Toledo), which means getting this to work would require some maneuvering on their end. Who knows, maybe they could drop the Toledo game.
If all that happened, it would mean the Utes then could schedule BYU and play them down in Provo without adding an extra road game. So their 2011 schedule would look like this:
9/03/11 - Team to replace Oregon (as we'll be conference mates now). Maybe an FBS team depending on whether the P-10 goes to nine conference games or eight. If nine, this could be a bye or an early conference game.
9/10/11 - Boise State has Wyoming scheduled here. However, the Cowboys will be a conference rival in 2011. So it's very likely this date will open up. Utah has it open, as well. So the Utes would host the Broncos.
9/17/11 - Utah originally had Oregon scheduled here. But they're now in the same conference, so this date opens up. BYU, currently, has nothing scheduled. So Utah could realistically play @ BYU this week.
10/01/11 - The original date where Utah had Boise State scheduled. If the Pac-10 does have nine conference games, that would mean there would only be room for three out of conference games. This would either be a bye or a conference game, depending on how the schedule breaks down.
10/15/11 - This week shouldn't change. It's their game @ Pitt.
So the Utes' OOC schedule would have two road games and very likely only one home game (though potentially two depending on whether the conference has eight or nine conference games). If there is room for only three out of conference games, I wouldn't be surprised if the Utes decided to put the rivalry on hold for at least a year and schedule a gimmie at home.
Of course, this assumes Boise State and Toledo go along with the idea. That might not be likely. If not, I guess the Utes could always just buy Boise State out and replace the Broncos with BYU and rework the schedule so that both teams are open a certain week for their contest down in Provo.
Thoughts?
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For starters, bank on nine conference games
That’s the standard, and I don’t see it changing until/unless the Pac-12 becomes the Pac-16, and maybe not even then.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 28, 2010 7:34 PM MDT reply actions
Several notes
as mentioned above, nine conference games are likely, with Utah likely to get a 5 road game slate. We could get 5 home games if Colorado agrees to start the series on the road in SLC and the rest of the PAC 10 splits 4-4.
BYU would be played the final week of the regular season, like several SEC vs. ACC rivalries are. All this would require of the PAC 10 is having Colorado play someone else that week, as the remaining 10 teams will be in their traditional rivalry.
It would be at BYU in 2011. The home and away is not going to change.
Dropping Iowa State and making Oregon a conference game leaves @Pitt 10/8 and @Boise State 10/1.
We have Boise State at home in 2012. The easiest change would be to swap those two dates. We would host Boise State in 2011, and they host us in 2012. The cost would be that we would travel to Boise State two years in a row. Perhaps we could trade the 2013 trip to Boise State for an indefinite series, guaranteed to end on a Boise State home game.
Nine PAC 10 games, plus Boise State and BYU every year. The only question on our schedule would be which patsy we scheduled for a final home game each year.
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LOL
pasty hahahaha, tough talk from a team thats claim to fame was to beat Michigan because of a missed field goal in a year they only won 2 games.
the uttes will be nothing but another pac 10 team the Bronco’s beat up on year in year out.
Save you patsy talk for the temple square!
by Darth Prophet on Jul 29, 2010 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Go back to Comic-Con and your dream world
1) If you were smart you would understand that the victory over a bad 3 win Michigan team was not the defining moment of the 2008 season. Our defining win at the end of the season was against Alabama.
2) You clearly think that a win over a bad Michigan team is also more important than wins over Oregon St., TCU, BYU, and the rest of the MWC. You really give props to a bad Michigan team.
3) The irony of your comment is that your 1984 National Championship season defining win was against a bad Michigan team (6-6). You still revel in this 25 years later.
tater zoob
I made a mistake of thinking Darth Prophet was a BYU fan based on the level of hate of the Utes. Now I see he is a tater zoob.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
1. Michigan made their only field goal. Also, Utah controlled that game. There is nothing fluky about the win. Utah had 341 yards of offense to Michigan’s 203. Michigan won three games that year not two. and no one thinks that is Utah’s claim to fame. Utah’s claim to fame is beating is beating four teams that finished ranked, including two teams that finished in the top 10. Also, Utah finished ranked #2, the highest ranking ever for a non-BCS team during the BCS era.
2. What makes you think we want to play BSU “year in and year out”? BSU is a good football team, but their is nothing unique about that. There are lots of good football teams for Utah to play.
3. I’m not sure what “patsy talk” is, but I don’t spend much time at Temple Square. There are many non-Mormon Utah fans. Nonetheless, Boise State has plenty of Mormon fans. That’s pretty classless to crack on a religion that many BSU fans follow.
Utah Michigan game
That game was odd. I came into it thinking Utah was going to get a teaast and might get the upset.
We dominated, but shot ourselves in the foot repeatedly. Michigan was supposed to be the dominant team, yet it was obvious Utah was much stronger, but was doing everything they could to lose.
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how many BCS games have the utts won
1 ! agianst an over rated sec school at that! ok now lets talk community college.
I remember when the uttes would go up to the dome in pocky and get smacked down!
Levi is calling he wants his 3rd wife back .. troll talk sheesh roockie doesn’t even know what a troll is!
by Darth Prophet on Jul 29, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
The Alabama win is better than any win Boise has ever.
And don’t forget we’ve got two, including the first BCS game EVER by a non BCS team, the Fiesta-bowl win.
Boise’s two wins (average OU and great TCU) are both better than that 2004 Pitt win, but they’re also both worse than Alabama, and the nice thing about the 2004 team is they were first.
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Jul 29, 2010 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Pinkie, are you in charge of banning people from your blog?
Or is that up to SBNation?
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Jul 29, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm pretty sure he can do it.
He’s done it before. Vaughnzipper got banned, but he still posts on other SBNation blogs.
ownage comes with privilages
Banning is a sign of weakness and cowardess, you utt fans must be frwnch!
by Darth Prophet on Jul 29, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I banned him.
I’m not sure if he’s trying to be cute with his misspelling of Utes or what – but I’m not going to tolerate trolling.
He’s posted five times and every single post was just to slam Utah.
Spelling Nazi
Well hey why would I know the utts won two? it’s not like their Boise State .
Truly I’m surprised the pac 10 would have the utts, but someone has to take the place of Stanford now that they are winning.
by Darth Prophet on Jul 29, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Buh-bye asshole.
You intentionally misspell the name of the team you’re bashing and can’t even get their history right in your own attacks.
You’re right. We’re not Boise State. THIS IS A UTAH UTES BLOG. Your sole purpose here is to troll and I won’t allow that.
Thanks for playing.
Wow...
either you’re 10 years old or just really stupid.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
utah has beaten 19 aq bcs teams. boise 8. case closed.
utah has the most wins vs bcs teams. then suprisingly navy is second. then tcu and then byu. boise is not even in the top 5 dumbazz.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 31, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
michigan was favored by 3.5 points in that game.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 31, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I pity the Mountain West...
With two deluded and delusional fan bases in one conference.
The horror! The horror!
Good luck Ram, Falcon, Cowboy, Rebel, Aztec, Frog and Lobo fans!
Actually, we claim the 2009 Sugar Bowl.
I am not going to disparage Boise State. I like them, and I respect the history of the series. I was saying I want to see the series extended indefinitely, like BYU.
Who would be the 12th team we play? Utah State? Weber State? Idaho? Are you really going to argue they are not a patsies?
As for temple square, nice architecture, a symbol of pride for a culture I have some respect for, but nothing of personal significance.
Enjoy your smurf-turf and WAC dominance one last year. I expect the MWC will be interesting for Boise State Community College University.
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now you dont want to play the vandals b/c your president said the are an inebriated and not civiluniversity.
that probably defines 90% of college football teams.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 31, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I know
Talk about being whiny boobs. “There’s no point in us playing Idaho . . .”
Well there’s no point in anyone playing Boise then. Boise State sucks, from here on out. I’ve been nice to them for years and cheered for them, never again. Remember in 2008 we had one of their doofi on our site? I was so nice to that poor idiot, even after TCU beat them, as I said they would. And last year? I told them all how wrong I was about their team after they handled TCU. Well, don’t cast your pearls before swine.
Never again, they’re jerkoffs, lowlifes, the dregs of college football. BYU fans without a real University to attend, that’s them.
I’m done with those poor afterthoughts of a school and team and fanbases. I hope Virgini Tech beats the hell out of them, and i won’t care if they don’t because BSU is sucha crappy school nd fanbase? The only thing that counts is when they lose, wins are meaningless.
Nope
It’s going to be quite important for the Pac-12 to have UU-CU play during rivalry week, both for the normal structure of scheduling and to establish the two schools as conference rivals and travel partners. However, if you wanted to schedule BYU the following week, that might be possible — UW played Cal the week after the Apple Cup last year, for instance. But the conference is not going to agree to UU-BYU being scheduled as the Utes’ principal rivalry game — if you want to keep the rivalry going with your non-conference games, that’s fine, but if you’re in the Pac, you put the Pac first.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 30, 2010 7:29 AM MDT up reply actions
USC plays Notre Dame on rivalry weekend
They only play it rivalry weekend when the game is in Los Angeles, but the Pac-10 accommodates them every-other-year.
Also, Larry Scott is supportive of the Utah-BYU rivalry. From the Deseret News:
“My sense from when I was in Salt Lake is that rivalry is something that is really cherished,” Scott said. “Rivalries are a great thing. And so we’d be absolutely supportive of that rivalry continuing.”
And:
“The Pac-10 has a reputation for scheduling tough inter-conference play,” Scott said. “I think if you compare the out-of-conference schedules for our teams to other big BCS conferences — when you stack them up — you say, boy, the Pac-10’s got the toughest schedules out there.”
While he did not explicitly say he thinks the game should remain on rivalry weekend, these two comments show that he thinks the rivalry is good for the health of Utah and the conference. And as a politician, I understand why he did not come out and say that game should be rivalry weekend; there’s no reason for him to take a stance on this issue.
i rather play boise state than byu that year. we need to beat boise state. they have had our number the last few times.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 31, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
RE: several notes
on CFB live today they mentioned that Colorado may not start PAC play til 2012. if that turns out to be true then it could work out for the rivalry game schedule wise, if they use the zipper effect for division splits then Utah won’t be playing Colorado in 2011…which should only give Utah 8 conf games in a 9 conf game schedule. they would need to cancel or move a road game back so they aren’t playing 3 road OOC and only 1 home but it’s another possibility
I thought the same thing at first; however,
1) Comments from Dan Beebe at B12 media days make it sound like colorado will be in the PAC 12 in 2011.
2) Even if Colorado came in 2012 and Utah only had 8 conference games, then this would just open up a home game on the schedule. Utah would be 4-4 in PAC 10 play, the two OOC away games are still set. The home game against Oregon would turn into a home OOC game that is yet to be scheduled. BYU has already said it won’t play the rivalry @ Utah because this would mean a 2 for 1.
With 11 teams 9 games is not possible.
If Colorado is delayed until 2012 (the only real obstacle is working out the release from the Big 12, and they have no real motive to hold on to Colorado with Nebraska gone for 2011 already) the PAC 10 would play an 8 game schedule in 2011.
This greatly helps the Utah-BYU rivalry.
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The zipper is irrelevant
In event of zipper, the conference rivalry games will be fixed out-of-division games. As for 2011, yes, it’s possible that CU might not start until 2012 since that was their original plan, but it’s highly unlikely. It’s not certain that the Buffs and Utes will join together, but it’s pretty close.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 30, 2010 7:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Why cancel Iowa State
Postponing I can understand, but if we are going to play a game this year in godforsaken Ames, Iowa, then ISU better be coming back at some point.
Do what needs to be done to keep the BYU game!
This is a no brainer. I would much rather see us play TDS instead of Iowa State. There needs to be some serious effort/sacrifice from both sides to make this work. The scenarios above seem to be logical but I also realize there are some contractual issues as well.
To me it makes no difference if we play the zoobs early in the season, middle of the season or at the end.
BSU vs toledo
I will not allow BSU to drop the away game against toledo, for starters I only get to see BSU away games and even then have to travel 1000’s of miles to get it done. The toledo game is just an hour from my home in metro Detroit so no fricken way is BSU going to drop the toledo game end of story.
IN the end the uttes are just gong to lose anyway you just as well should take your lumps on the blue field instead of being embarrassed on your own turf.
Nothing special about 1300 South anyways !
I recommend GoogleMaps
You’re right. There is nothing special about 13th South. Unless you were planning to hang out at Liberty Park during the game? XD
I don't see Boise shuffling their schedule, either.
Based on an article in the Idaho Statesman this morning, Boise will assume Utah’s “scheduling spot”, which means they would travel to TCU and BYU in 2011. There would be no reason for them to schedule Ole Miss and Utah on the road in OOC play.
It makes the decision to dump/move Iowa St all the more curious, because BYU has no reason to have 3 road OOC games. They’ll end up needing a team to replace the Cyclones.
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Bravo Jazzy
That Darth guy was worse than vaughnzipper!. Seriously dude. If you’re gonna bash someones team, get your facts strait.
To say nothing of
the ludicrousness of “I will not allow BSU to drop the away game against toledo” . . . who the heck does he think he is, BSU’s AD-in-exile? I don’t see the Broncos doing the Utes a favor, and they might well regard playing at Toledo as a recruiting opportunity — but there would no doubt be ways for UU to make it worth their while.
by The Ancient Mariner on Jul 30, 2010 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually . . .
That was BSU’s president, that’s his online name. That’s why he can make that statement; oh: and he’s the smartest guy at BSU.
I thought the oddest insult was that we were now taking Stanford’s place. I mean, I knew that Utah was a lofty University academically but I had no idea we were that far ahead of Boise State intellectually.
No wonder Idaho fans call them the Donkeys. Boise State fans simply don’t get that most CFB fans don’t let a win or loss faze them. These guys have enormous chips on their shoulders. And i should say this:
If you’re compensating? A chip is a poor choice to have an enormous one of.
one more tidbit on vaughnzipper. he actually thought byu had multiple ncaa lacrosse championships
it was on mwc connection. i laughed soo hard and mocked him he did not show up for a month.
I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. I still will always follow the Mountain West Conference. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez and face the winner of Junior Dos Santos vs Roy Nelson where he will defeat JDS and stake his claim as pound for pound champion. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 5 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.
by wolfmanshowlforever on Jul 31, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Darth,If you're still around to read this here you go:
1. That “overrated SEC” team not only was ranked #1 most of 2008 but last time I checked, they were the 2009 champions. Having said that, I have no doubt that “overrated SEC team” would kick your Broncos asses so far into the turf they wouldn’t know what hit em’.
2. Still bitter about your Wolverines losing that opener in 08’? get over it man. Michigan sucked bad that year.
3. the ball is now in BSU’s court. We will see if thier perfect records will mean something now that their outside of the WAC
4. You have 2 BCS wins like us. I’ll give you props for that, but the difference is we dominated both our games whereas you guys won both of yours in the end. Don’t forget, you didn’t beat OU in the fiesta Bowl until the LAST play of the game. TCU? you only won that game by a TD in the fourth quarter (thanks to a dang lucky punt fake).
Jazzy, I apologize for feeding the Bronco/Wolverine troll but I had to get that off my chest.
Don't Hate on Boise State
Hey, Darth Prophet….stop making us look bad! It’s Ute not Utt or Utte. Sheesh!!! I like the idea of playing Utah every year. I’m looking forward to next year’s game on the Blue and I hope that nothing gets in the way of that (yes, even the Holy War). I went to the 2006 game in SLC and had a blast. Looking forward to the MWC in 2011!!!
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