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This whole BYU mess does not make a lick of sense

It's easy to get caught up in the craziness of the Mountain West. While technically, none of this really impacts Utah now that we're on our way out, it's still riveting. Mostly because it puts our biggest rival in a very difficult position. One that could prove to be masterful or pretty damn boneheaded. 

But from the developments we've seen over the last 24 hours, much of what is being reported is either wrong or the Cougars have no f'n idea what they're doing. 

I'm not going to speculate on their state of mind because I just don't know exactly what BYU is thinking at the moment. However, we can deduct from the news reports that what was initially reported was most likely an overblown estimate of the Cougars making a move toward independence. 

The first big news of this began trickling out Tuesday evening. It wasn't anything groundbreaking - just speculation that BYU was looking at the potential of going independent. Certainly nothing was concrete and there definitely was no indication they were even close to making a move.

Then, out of nowhere, CSU's official Twitter feed reports that BYU is bolting the Mountain West for the Western Athletic Conference in all sports but football. A huge coup for the WAC if true, because it almost certainly delivers the death knell to their biggest conference rival - the Mountain West.

This happens very quietly, though, because it's at some ungodly hour and only freaks like me are up surfing Twitter to see if anything remotely interesting is being published (I did something similar during the whole P-10 expansion extravaganza). 

Later in the morning, when sane people are leading their productive lives, it comes out that the CSU Tweet was a hoax. Someone either goofed or hacked the account. This wasn't unprecedented, as BYU fans were fooled into thinking they were going to the Big 12 when an Austin station reported the move shortly before Utah's invite to the P-10 became official. The glee lasted all but a few minutes before it was debunked.

Then, last week, the main Twitter account for the Washington Huskie Rivals' page was compromised and sources had one of the top recruits in the country going to BYU. Wasn't true. 

So obviously there is some pesky Ute fan out in the internet land mind-f'n every BYU fan. That's probably exactly what happened with the CSU feed, right? 

Or not. 

The tweet was debunked. However, only a few hours later, the Salt Lake Tribune ran with its story that BYU going independent was a done deal. What's more, they would be moving their other athletic programs to the WAC - just as the CSU tweet had suggested. Their source for this was someone with the WAC. Then there was a Deseret News conformation story that used their Utah State sources as proof the Cougars were going independent and would be joining the Aggies in basketball and other major non-football sports. Yay? 

But here is where it starts making absolutely no sense. 

Okay, so late last night, the Mountain West invited both Fresno State and Nevada to join the conference. Both teams, without hesitation it seems, accepted the invite. During the press conferences and the subsequent teleconference with Craig Thompson, it was established discussion between the two schools had been going on for a while, but ramped up Tuesday afternoon. 

So it's obvious the talk about BYU bolting the Mountain West for its own little slice of college football heaven forced the conference to make a move. No biggie. It makes sense. That's what happens with these conference expansion stories. Nebraska left for the Big Ten, starting a wave of activity that ultimately resulted in Utah leaving for the Pac Ten. 

This was similar.

However, the Utah State source the Deseret News relied on for its article and the WAC source the Tribune relied on for its article did not in any way hint at the idea of Fresno State or Nevada bolting for the Mountain West. And why would they? Without those two schools, the WAC falls below the eight-team requirement needed to field a FBS conference and essentially becomes irrelevant. Wouldn't that leave BYU out in the cold when it came to finding a place to squat for its other sports? 

This gets even more complex when you figure, as suggested by Thompson, that the nine current Mountain West schools voted on allowing Fresno State and Nevada into the conference. Those nine schools are the nine that will take the field this year. That includes Utah and BYU and not Boise State - though it's likely they played a role. 

Do you see where I'm going with this? 

Either the Deseret News' and the Tribune's sources were wrong or BYU openly voted to essentially block its most feasible exit strategy. Because, no matter how you try to make it work, the WAC is done. Certainly there isn't enough stability there to entice BYU to relocate its other programs when you take away Fresno and Nevada. Especially Nevada, which has, this past decade, been one of the conference's most impressive teams in hoops. 

So what happened between the USU source telling the Deseret News and the WAC source telling the Tribune that BYU was set to take its program to the WAC and the eventual expansion of the Mountain West to include the two biggest programs left in that conference? 

Confused? Yeah, I am too. 

Overall, this whole fiasco makes zero sense. So something has to be there that we're not getting. Either BYU had no intention of going to the WAC or Craig Thompson called their bluff and blew up the WAC to salvage any hope of keeping BYU in the Mountain West. 

Oddly, the options for both scenarios remain the same for BYU currently. If they had no interest in going to the WAC, but still planned on going independent, they probably will look at the West Coast Conference and then the Big West to hold their programs while the football team tries to recreate its 1980s magic. If Thompson called their bluff and they still intend to leave, maybe sensing the impending death of the WAC, voted to let it die by voting to allow Fresno State and Nevada to join the conference, knowing full well they were going to the WCC.

But that creates a whole new set of problems. Firstly, the WCC only fields 13 sports. That's compared to 19 from both the Mountain West and WAC. Would BYU trim its athletic program to appease its football team? That doesn't seem like the Cougar thing to do, especially when you consider how much pride they take in their lesser sports. 

Then there is the whole Sunday play. Yeah, for a bunch of Christian schools, who woulda thunk they played basketball on Sundays? But they do. Would the WCC change that policy? Would BYU be exempt or compromise one of their biggest morals just to find a suitable home?

You've also got to wonder if the WCC is a better conference than the WAC with the addition of BYU. Not only do you have Utah State, who's established a fine program under Stew Morrill, but a solid New Mexico State team and, though they've faded as late, an okay Nevada squad. 

That trumps the WCC, which is Gonzaga and St. Mary's a distant second. 

But let's say that's the case. Let's say BYU, either originally or secondary after the Mountain West went after Fresno and Nevada, is destined for the WCC. Is it official? We've heard their commissioner will listen, but does that mean he'll ever invite? 

Are they banking on a WCC invite to bring about their ability to go independent? If so, it's not hard to see that this isn't set in stone and all those stories released yesterday were nothing more than typical rumormongering without actual substance. 

There you have it, folks. A very weird situation. Of course, I expect this post to be completely obsolete only minutes after posting due to another unforeseen development. If that's the case, please disregard. 

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ESPN Did a lot to make the "BYU is moving" story

For a couple reasons. One they wrote a story and reported it, and two they confirmed that BYU was talking to them about their own network being enhanced by ESPN.

BYU has discussed being an independent for a couple decades because about tweny-25 years ago, all the BYU fans—and some PAC-10 folks—thought the Cougars might land in the PAC-10. They had dominated the WAC and we’re bord and needed a real challenge . . .yadda yadda. When that did ont pan out they started toying with the idea of independence. Utah State was independent in the old days and the transfers they picked up as a result were often pretty good. BYU is still thinking about life 20 years ago—when Holmoe played there.

by Aardvark on Aug 19, 2010 6:12 AM MDT reply actions  

Ironic, isn't it

This whole hullabullo started when ESPN ran with the story, and their source? The HACKED CSUFootball twitter feed. Hacked by a Utah fan at that. So, some savvy Ute fan caused BYU to show their hand with independence, caused the MWC to overreact and invite Nevada and Fresno, causing BYU to question leaving to the 6 team WAC and throwing all of college football into another feeding frenzy. Amazing what a little technology in the wrong hands can do.

I for one am just glad that this is all just a big train wreck in the rear view mirror for the Utes. Bring on the PAC12 Baby!

by SC_Ute on Aug 19, 2010 7:51 AM MDT reply actions  

A Utah fan hacked the CSU account?

Any source on that? Seems unlikely.

BTW, I love how people say their account was “hacked” when the real problem is likely just a lack of security. When you tell 20 people in your PR department the password, or you have a password like “gorams,” your account didn’t get hacked – you’re just stupid.

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 19, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I did assume based on the fourth tweet that came across

http://twitter.com/CSUFootball/status/21506444644

“Sorry CB. TGH. Go UUUUUUUTES!!!!! (BYU, you’ll never be in a BCS conference. Hahahaha!!!)”

I guess it isn’t a given, but based on the GO UUUUTES! I think it probably was.

by SC_Ute on Aug 19, 2010 6:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh wow.

That’s an amazing link.

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 19, 2010 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

did someone say utah hacker. really, not me. i protest vigoriously.

I'm all about covering the spread and moneylines. Glory favors the bold. Chance favors the prepared mind. Luck, well i have that too. University of Utah goes to the Pac-12 conference in 2011. I expect them to compete immediately for the conference CG. Brock Lesnar will defeat Cain Velasquez. Womens MMA, the next big thing in sports. 2 weeks till the first game of college football. UTAH vs Pitt. September 2nd 2010.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 19, 2010 10:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

BYU Straddling the Fence

It almost seems like BYU is forcing the hand of the MWC, and waiting to see where people end up. They haven’t formally announced they are going independent, and with the MWC going to 10-12 teams, I see BYU staying there, as it doesn’t make sense anymore to go to the WAC.

HOWEVER, I have also heard rumors that BYU was an integral part of the WAC implementing a 5 million dollar penalty on leaving teams from the WAC after BSU left, which leads me to believe BYU was planning on making a move to the WAC all along and doing what they could to keep Fresno and Nevada around.

So in the end, it makes no sense what the heck BYU is doing, and I am as anxious as anyone to make sense of this. Unless their intention is to hurt BOTH the WAC and the MWC, their actions don’t make a lot of sense.

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by jim2 on Aug 19, 2010 9:07 AM MDT reply actions  

I think you're underrating the WCC

especially since Seattle University is on the rise in basketball and looking to rejoin them; Portland and San Francisco are getting stronger as well, and while Pepperdine’s weak right now, they’ve had success in the past, and they have the elements in place to win if they can get the coaching. Add BYU and Seattle U to the mix and the future for the WCC in basketball is really quite bright.

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 19, 2010 9:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Doesn't mean it won't happen

IF (and it definitely is an if, since I have even less clue than Utah fans about what’s really going down here) BYU makes a move to join the WCC, that’s going to change the picture. I think Seattle will wind up in the conference on the sooner side of “sooner or later” anyway, but BYU could give them a push.

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 19, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

For roundball yes

It’s a great little conference.

Do they have baseball teams, swimming teams, good women’s programs, volleyball teams, good track and wrestling? BYU has been quite good in all those. I am betting there is not enough to keep those going at BYU if they joined the WCC.

Does BYU even have wrestling any longer?

by Aardvark on Aug 19, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

I can't speak for all their baseball teams

but I know that college baseball on the West Coast is in general very strong, and that the Toreros (U of San Diego) are a national power — they ended last season ranked #15 and had ten players drafted (second-most of any school in the country); I think the WCC as a whole had 30 or so draftees. Beyond basketball (men’s and women’s), I know they have crew (something else quite big on the West Coast, as both UW and Stanford are traditional powers on the water), volleyball, golf, cross-country, soccer, and tennis; I can’t say for sure beyond that.

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 19, 2010 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

University of Portland

Is a powerhouse in Men’s and Women’s soccer.

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by QuackinAK on Aug 19, 2010 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

I do not believe the WCC is a viable option for BYU's other sports...

It’s a very small conference. For basketball, it would be a downgrade from the MWC and even WAC.

That isn’t to say there aren’t fine institutions there or great up and coming programs. It’s just a very unlikely position for the Coogs.

by JazzyUte on Aug 19, 2010 11:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

From the MWC, yes

from the WAC, after these latest defections, no; and since it currently has two more teams for 2011 than the WAC does, I wouldn’t call it a very small conference.

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 19, 2010 1:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Downgrade from the WAC?

St. Mary’s has beaten the class of the WAC (now that Nevada is gone), Utah State twice in the last two years. I think overall you’ll find the WCC to be a much stronger conference, with an easier travel schedule, and a better area for recruiting. As far as the other sports that aren’t sponsored by the WCC are concerned they can also join into the MPSF and compete against other west coast schools (including many from the PAC 10).

by opooos on Aug 19, 2010 8:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

True that

Hadn’t thought about the MPSF, but that would work fine.

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 21, 2010 12:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna even pretend to know what the hell is going on.

It’s gotten so crowded with “breaking news”, I don’t know what’s rumor and what’s fact anymore. “BYU is behind the WAC’s membership contract.”, “BYU voted to invite Fresno and Nevada.”, “BYU has a TV deal with ESPN.”, “Holmoe just simultaneously shook Karl Benson’s hand while kicking him in the nuts.”, “Craig Thompson freaked the hell out and overreacted.” Holy smokes! This is one goofy damn situation and I’m done trying to understand it. I’m going back to not giving a shit about BYU because, no matter what happens, the Utes are Pac-12 pound.

by FeloniousMonk on Aug 19, 2010 10:14 AM MDT reply actions  

Nice

“I’m going back to not giving a shit about BYU because, no matter what happens, the Utes are Pac-12 pound.”
I like it

by DarthJeff on Aug 19, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

A more apt analogy has never been uttered...

and while I’ve enjoyed it, as schadenfreude dictates, I’m growing tired of it too. Or bored, maybe. All I know is that BYU tried some seemingly underhanded maneuvers that have apparently blown up in their collective faces, and while that’s super cool, it’s still just BYU… and I’ve never found anything BYU overly interesting.

by FeloniousMonk on Aug 19, 2010 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

The WCC is a red herring.

For a couple of reasons.

First, BYU isn’t cutting programs. Ever. They participate not just in ALL 19 MWC-sanctioned sports, but in like 15 other sports as well. They love minor sports at BYU.

Second, part of the ESPN deal is getting to play 4-6 WAC teams per year. If they’re not in the WAC for the non-revenue sports, why would the WAC make special exceptions to schedule them late in the year?

Third, the WCC is not the same as the WAC in basketball (the other sport that matters), or even baseball (which BYU cares about). In basketball the WAC has USU, NMSU, Nevada, Fresno (or it used to). In the WCC they have St. Mary’s and Gonzaga. The WCC is better at the top, but both of those teams are likely to crush BYU in basketball. USU, NMSU, Nevada and Fresno are good opponents that BYU can beat. They can’t win many conference titles in the WCC. Fresno and NMSU are good baseball teams, and Nevada and SJSU (plus Sac State) have teams. I don’t know how good the WCC is, but they do field several teams.

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by displacedute on Aug 19, 2010 10:35 AM MDT reply actions  

And Portland, and San Francisco

who are better than you think, because you haven’t been following hoops on the West Coast. I agree, though, BYU would be fighting for third in the WCC, and you are of course right as well about the WCC participating in fewer sports. I would think that BYU could make that work in other ways, though, if in fact that’s where they wound up.

by The Ancient Mariner on Aug 19, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's not like a school can't be in two conferences for minor sports

Most of the Pac10 schools are also members of the Mountain Pacific Sports Federation conference. That conference covers all the NCAA sports the Pac10 doesn’t, things like men volleyball and water polo amount several others.

by ev on Aug 19, 2010 10:47 AM MDT reply actions  

BYU’s already in the MPSF as a matter of fact, if only for men’s volleyball.

by Lumber Baron on Aug 19, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

TDS should be forced to now change their name to "Provo State"

Seems like the really screwed themselves on this deal? It had got to a point where i just want to see them loose and loose HARD!

Travis "V/O" Vallejo

by Wasatch801Ute on Aug 19, 2010 11:14 AM MDT reply actions  

Craig Thompson is the one who said BYU voted for Fresno and Nevada to be added

He also said that the timing of adding Fresno State and Nevada had nothing to do with the imminence of BYU departing. Maybe Thompson is just a big, fat liar.

Or maybe BYU agreed to it, in principle, at some point in the past, and then went and got the WAC to do the $5 million bail-out contracts, thinking that would be enough.

Whatever the truth is, I agree this is some screwed up crap. And we’ll probably never get the straight story, just like with Texas, because no one is going to go on record with the details and we’ll be left with rumors and hearsay.

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 19, 2010 12:43 PM MDT reply actions  

Apparently BYU didn't vote

and Thompson originally said they were on the conference call, not part of the vote. Boise State’s president Bob Kustra said BYU left the call early and wasn’t a part of those discussions:

"Dr. Samuelson still seemed to be concerned about the commitment that he was getting from the media companies and still was feeling that he wanted to explore other options," Kustra said, "so he left the conference call and at that point there was discussion of what other options were viable — that it appeared BYU was leaving the conference."

So Thompson wasn’t lying per se, he was just leaving out important details and twisting the truth.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogs/byusports/50139716-65/byu-conference-state-didn.html.csp

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2010/08/19/ccripe/boise_state_president_kustra_says_mountain_west_caught_offguard_#ixzz0x6yRas71

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 19, 2010 9:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mr. Thompson himself

“So Thompson wasn’t lying per se, he was just leaving out important details and twisting the truth.”

Sounds like a classic Thompson move.

by SC_Ute on Aug 20, 2010 7:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

It looks like BYU backed out of any potential deal with the WAC

The WAC commissioner called Fresno State and Nevada “selfish” for leaving. It then mentioned the following according to the Fresnobee:

“The WAC had been in discussions with Mountain West member Brigham Young — which on Wednesday announced it was seeking approval to go independent in football and join the WAC for all other sports — for several weeks, Benson said, but now those talks have " ‘disintegrated.’ "

Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2010/08/18/2045731/fresno-state-to-join-mwc.html#ixzz0x5BFIdev

by OC-Ute on Aug 19, 2010 12:47 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow

That turned fast did it not?

by Aardvark on Aug 19, 2010 12:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Man, it sucks to be Benson.

That guy has been freaking screwed so many times I’ve lost count. Not just the MWC deal in 1998, but Boise, TCU, UTEP, now this.

Not to mention his conference is repeatedly reamed by ESPN both in scheduling and money (they make less than half what the MWC members make).

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 19, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree.

Too bad, BYU will probably come out unscathed.

by OC-Ute on Aug 19, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Maybe, maybe not . . .

Opposing coaches will point to this snafu and tell recruits “sucks to go there, they are clueless.”

by Aardvark on Aug 19, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

ESPNAustin Twitter

ESPN in talks to help negotiate a “Best of MWC/WAC” conference, since there is no penalty to leave MWC.

link

by ximiankernel on Aug 19, 2010 4:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Didn't that already happen?

I mean, isn’t that essentially what the new MWC is? The only thing you might change is to dump a couple of lesser contenders, but if BYU leaves, that means you can only get rid of two. Maybe BYU could be enticed to stay and you could drop three, but isn’t that just another try at what the MWC did 11 years ago? Colorado State looked pretty good back then – do you dump them this time around because they’ve been underperforming?

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 19, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

You need 8 teams to be a football conference

So you take the following:

TCU
BYU (if they don’t go independent)
Boise State
Fresno State
Nevada
Air Force

Then you take two of these guys?

Wyoming
Colorado State
New Mexico
UNLV
San Diego State

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 19, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

at least we were the first story on college football live.

i think byu is bluffing on independence and will stay with the mwc until 2011 or 2012 and since they made some noise maybe the pac-12 or former big 12 will be interestedin the next round of expansions which will surely happen. they went about it in a weird way but it might work. at least byu did utah a favor. the bullseye is on the cougars back and not utah’a anymore.

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by wolfmanshowlforever on Aug 19, 2010 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Utah will just have a somewhat smaller bulls eye.

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 19, 2010 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Utah State Offered as well?

Utah State, which joined the league with New Mexico State and Idaho in 2005, was also approached by the MWC, but the Aggies felt the agreement already in place within the WAC was binding, athletic director Scott Barnes said in an open letter released Thursday afternoon.

Link

by Aardvark on Aug 19, 2010 7:53 PM MDT reply actions  

Man, can the Aggies catch a break?

Here’s the link to the USU AD’s Open Letter:

http://www.cachevalleydaily.com/news/local/Open-letter-from-USU-Athletics-Director-Scott-Barnes-101122009.html

Absolutely amazing… USU banks on having BYU in the bag, turns the MWC down, just to have BSU, Fresno, and Nevada all bail right behind them. This letter also confirms that BYU was a big reason for the WAC’s $5M exit penalties. Lots of scheming going on down in Provo, that clearly has blown up in their face.

As for the Aggies, you have to admire their loyalty (and sticking to the plan), but COME ON, can these guys get a win one of these days? I for one hope they still have time to get into the MWC.

by la tortuga on Aug 19, 2010 8:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oops..

said BSU above, but they were already headed to the MWC when USU’s invite came.

by la tortuga on Aug 19, 2010 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Number of team required needs clarification

I have seen here as well as other boards that 8 is the required number of schools for a NCAA conference but in this letter the AD states that only 6 are required.

Anyone knw where to get clarification?

I should be working right now...

by gorams77 on Aug 19, 2010 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

An article stating 8 is required...

here

Now the WAC is scrambling to rebuild with just six football members for the 2011 season, two short of the eight required to be recognized by the NCAA as a conference.

Along with the whole CUSA/MWC 20 team combo AQ idea

I should be working right now...

by gorams77 on Aug 19, 2010 9:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

relevant link
20.02.6 Football Bowl Subdivision Conference. A conference classified as a Football Bowl Subdivision
conference shall be comprised of at least eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members that satisfy all bowl subdivision
requirements. An institution shall be included as one of the eight full Football Bowl Subdivision members
only if the institution participates in the conference schedule in at least six men’s and eight women’s conferencesponsored
sports, including men’s basketball and football and three women’s team sports including women’s basketball.
A conference-sponsored sport shall be a sport in which regular season and/or championship opportunities
are provided, consistent with the minimum standards identified by the applicable NCAA sport committee for
automatic qualification. (Adopted: 10/31/02 effective 8/1/05, Revised: 12/15/06)

NCAA Division 1 Manual

by ximiankernel on Aug 19, 2010 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

I should be working right now...

by gorams77 on Aug 20, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

The official USU statement

only said that USU was approached, essentially to gauge interest. There’s little reason to jump to the conclusion that they were actually going to get an offer IMO.

www.utahstateaggies.com/genrel/081910aab.html

When the possibility of BYU leaving became known, MWC leadership contacted three WAC members inquiring about their interest in joining the MWC. Utah State was the first of these three contacts.

At the point in time when Utah State was contacted by the MWC we had a binding agreement with the WAC and were well positioned with nine members, which included BYU. We were simply committed to uphold our agreement with fellow WAC members. We respectfully declined MWC interest and believed all WAC members would remain committed to our agreement.

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by MrPacTen on Aug 19, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's true that it wasn't an invitation, but...

I can’t imagine the MWC running around gauging interest of a bunch of schools it has no intention of extending an invitation. According to USU, three schools were contacted with inquiries, and two of them (that didn’t tell the MWC “no thanks”) received invitations. I have a hard time believing USU wouldn’t have been in the same boat. Their addition would have also put the conference at twelve members for a conference championship.

USU has struggled in football, but Coach Anderson is doing some good things there. Their basketball program is, IMO, as good as anyone in the MWC. Long term, they’d be a good addition, and I think the MWC thought so, too.

by la tortuga on Aug 19, 2010 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

they'd be a poor addition

market size, facilities, and especially tradition. The only remote possibility is that they’d have been a possible replacement for BYU just to keep a presence in Utah, though I fail to see why it would be a good idea to want to have the clear 3rd team in the state.

I have an easy time thinking that the league could conceive of them as a backup plan in case BYU bolted or one of the others said no. I have a very hard time seeing how they could possibly bring value to the league on their own.

Most likely, the plan was to get up to 12 teams by then raiding CUSA (Houston, UTEP and Tulsa all seem like much more attractive candidates than USU, and there’d be the side benefit of hurting another non-AQ competitor in the process).

Recent reports indicate the possibility of MWC and CUSA forming a super-duper league and getting 1 auto-bid for 20+ schools combined. This, of course, would substantially change the situation. And maybe if the deal was that both leagues needed 12, and MWC still needed to add one more (assuming BYU stays), then they’d consider USU. And maybe THAT was why MWC contacted USU. To be honest, I suppose it’s possible, though I’m a skeptic.

But the idea that USU was by itself a good candidate… I just don’t see how that’s a reasonable argument.

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by MrPacTen on Aug 19, 2010 11:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Who needs HBO

when you have this kind of drama unfolding in the sports section? I love it!

I have to admit that I’m extremely curious as to what BYU is going to do now. I can’t believe how badly they appear to have bungled this. My suspicion is BYU backs down and toughs through a couple more years in the MWC, waiting for a possible AQ berth. I have to admit that I’m morbidly curious to see how them going independent would turn out, though. We keep hearing about this incredible national following and fan base and that would put these claims to the ultimate test. I truly believe they will have a harder time getting enough quality home and home games to make it as attractive as it is being sold.

by la tortuga on Aug 19, 2010 8:15 PM MDT reply actions  

Well . . .

Hopefully this engenders a ton of hatred in the conference so the rivalries are nice and intense!

by Aardvark on Aug 20, 2010 5:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

Sunday Play

I just think I should note that there are no league games on Sundays in the WCC. Looking at the upcoming schedule they only scheduled Sunday games are the semifinals of the league tournament.

http://www.wccsports.com/m/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/081710aab.html

by opooos on Aug 19, 2010 8:43 PM MDT reply actions  

I would like to

ditch the holy war with BYU, and keep playing TCU every year. I have a lot of respect for TCU and their fans and I think that TCU has much respect for Utah. Plus we can keep up recruiting Texas as we can tell recruits we will be playing at least one game a year in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. Anyone else in agreement?

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A Utah Man am I!
A Utah Man, sir,
Will be 'til I die.

by Utah Man Sir on Aug 20, 2010 12:27 PM MDT reply actions  

It definitely helps recruiting

But I think we should continue the Holy War. Also, if we keep TCU?

We will be playing in Dallas Fort Worth every other year.

by Aardvark on Aug 20, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep. Sorry, its what I meant.

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A Utah Man am I!
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by Utah Man Sir on Aug 20, 2010 1:45 PM MDT reply actions  

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