Norm Chow to be hired as Utah's offensive coordinator?
by JazzyUte on Jan 12, 2011 5:30 PM MST
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PrintTom Dienhart of Yahoo! sports is reporting on his Twitter that Utah is expected to hire Norm Chow as their offensive coordinator and Tim Davis as the OL coach.
This is the first I've ever heard of this. Chow was let go by UCLA, so he is available.
But still, this can't be real, right?
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Wow.
My understanding of the Chow/Utah situation was that he would never ever ever coach here. But I’d be thrilled. We need an OC who knows what he’s doing, and I think Chow fits the bill, especially if we can keep AROD and Schramm to coach their positions (WR and RB, respectively). AROD just isn’t ready to be the OC, and that was abundantly clear this year, and he’s MORE ready than Schramm is. Chow calling the plays would be great, plus he knows the PAC 10.
Not to mention the OL coach who is also part of that tweet. I like this a lot if it’s real, although it isn’t without its downside (Chow’s very old).
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Davis would be about as big of a get as Chow...
He was Utah’s OL coach from 1990-1997, when we produced some fantastic lines.
just heard it on 1280
And was going to post it but you beat me to the punch! Way to be on top of the breaking news Jazzy! If this is true, all of a sudden this past week is turning great with this news and Langi staying home. Chow may not have had success in LA but this will be a chance at redemption for him and it looks like we can finally have fluidity on the offensive side.
by PanchoUte on Jan 12, 2011 5:42 PM MST via mobile reply actions
ARod and Schramm
I don’t see them taking the demotion. Most guys would walk. Coaches are all alpha males and don’t take kindly to being told to step down.
This could be the end of them with the program.
That said, I welcome our new overlords!
oh my. norm chow...
… Unfortunately, you just dropped two spots in my pac 12 power poll.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
by Gekko Mojo on Jan 12, 2011 5:49 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Woooo
our o-coordinators weren’t cutting it, so to land someone with experience like Chow can only be a plus.
Wow...
Chow coming back home would be great.
I’m assuming there would be a lot less of the spread offense and more traditional NFL style stuff too.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
You guys really are enthusiastic about this?
… have you seen his track record? He’s been forced out of his last three jobs. He was an abject failure with a UCLA squad that actually has talent in all the skill positions and depth on the offensive line. This is not the same coach that was at BYU.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
UCLA Was just a terrible position because of Neuheisal
But after leaving BYU he did help architect the USC powerhouse, including Heisman’s for Leinart, Palmer, and Bush.
At the Titans, he got the best out of VY, something that history has shown wasn’t an easy feat. The year after Chow left, VY became the head case he is today. And considering that VY was forced on both Fisher and Chow by the owner, Chow did as much with him as anyone could expect.
Chow has had, essentially, four bad years as an OC out of 34 at the collegiate level.
All with the same program.
He left SC in 2004 after they won their last NC with a potent offense.
He came back to the college game in 2008. Hard to believe, in four short years, he became truly ineffective.
That's not exactly how things went down at USC...and it wasn't better at Tenn
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
It doesn't matter how things 'went down'...
His offense in 2004 helped lead the Trojans to a national championship.
His time at Tennessee is irrelevant. We’re not talking about professional ball.
Look, Chow was a successful college coordinator from 1973-2004. The only years he’s really struggled were with the Bruins. You can look at that any way you want, but I’m all for proving his stint with UCLA was more a collection of the head coach and talent than his assistant coaching.
It’s not like Utah’s current OCs are tearing it up, anyway.
ucla along with texas a&m are the two most disappointing team in fbs (what its callled now).....
and division 1-a history. ucla is a dead end job for just about everyone.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Jan 13, 2011 2:20 AM MST up reply actions
I concede.
If you are happy, then I am happy.
When he gets announced, I’ll be very happy. Norm Chow has been leveling the playing field for Pac 10 defenses over a long time now.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Yep,
and I mean his entire track record. Not just three years of it.
by Smoke Bellew on Jan 12, 2011 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
L.A. Times Article
Appears he going to Utah or San Diego State. Chow and Davis could very well be what you need in the PAC12.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0113-ucla-norm-chow-20110113,0,4145912.story
Risky move considering...
I see this as a risky move considering the lack of success he has had at UCLA. I do think that the lack of success was more the fault of Rick Neuheisel and not so much Norm Chow given his track record prior to UCLA. I see this move as Utah pushing all of their chips in wanting all or nothing. I think it is a good bet though and I think that if it proves to be that Rick Neheisel truly is a giant douche who doesn’t know what to do with NCAA talent, Utah will be a force to be reckoned with next season. I say that if it’s truly on the table, we should go all in and bring Norm Chow home!
Not risky
Neuheisel wanted to incorporate the pistol offense at UCLA. Chow obliged, except that UCLA didn’t have the personel (especially @ QB) to run the pistol. If I remember correctly they had some injuriy issues @ QB because of it.
by kailuakid9er on Jan 12, 2011 9:25 PM MST up reply actions
actually, UCLA's QB (Prince) is a very versatile athlete.
…but, you are right, he was hurt on and off all season.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
I do think that the lack of success was more the fault of Rick Neuheisel and not so much Norm Chow…
Nueheisel is cancer to a program. Look at everywhere he’s been:
Colorado: won a couple of years, got busted, program has yet to recover
Washington: won a couple of years, got busted, program has yet to recover
UCLA: Still hasn’t won, will get busted, UCLA will be in the tank for 10 years.
Washington: yet to recover
…hey, we won a bowl game! against a ranked opponent! what else do you want from us?
he is a cancer.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
Yeah, but you were a big player in the Pac-10 then, you're recoverING.
Just not fully back to where you were. ;)
Wait a minute...
Neu got fired wrongfully (remember he won a settlement) at Washington. He is bringing in talent to UCLA the likes of which has not been seen in at least a decade. Maybe it was all the type of talent and/or the clash of minds between Chow and Neu, maybe not. As a fan of both UCLA and Utah, I will warn you all that the complaints fans had of Chow eerily echo the Ludwig era at Utah… conservative, bewildering, unadaptable. I am hopeful for Utah, but also glad he is gone from UCLA.
"Always go to other people's funerals, otherwise they won't go to yours." -Yogi Berra
I think Chow coming here is more realistic than Davis.
I mean, according to Wiki, he’s currently the Assistant Coach and Offensive Line/Running Game Coordinator at Minnesota. Even if he becomes a casualty of the coaching change there, I can’t believe another team wouldn’t snap him up as at least an O coordinator. Becoming an OL coach again sounds like a demotion. Who knows though, there are always machinations we’re unaware of. Maybe Chow wants to come here, coach a couple of years, mentor a replacement and then retire. Maybe Davis wants to come here, learn from Chow and succeed him.
Davis was Utah's OL coach from 1990-97...
He’s familiar with the program and Chow (he worked with Chow’s offense at SC in the early 00s.
It’s unlikely he’ll be retained at Minnesota with this new coaching staff. Jerry Kill will probably bring in his own guys.
And Davis is now back at Utah
I’m sure the word that Chow will be a part of the program will soon follow! GO UTES!!!!
It's exiting but...
it likely means Utah is switching from the spread offense to pro offense. Which is okay, but, I hope Utah will be able to make that switch comfortably. I find that sudden changes in offensive styles tend to not have good results.
by CRIMSONandWHITE on Jan 12, 2011 9:09 PM MST reply actions
Wynn is just one player.
What about the offensive line? What about running backs, receivers etc? They’ll all have to learn a whole new scheme. Changing schemes will take us at least 2 years to pull off and then Wynn will be gone anyway.
Our running backs are all new anyway.
Next year’s starting RB will be either a JC transfer (White), a RS freshman (Burton/Radley), or a true freshman (Langi).
WRs don’t have to learn much new stuff, other than play calls, which are not that big of a deal.
The one concern I have is the OL. If the blocking scheme is radically different that could have a big effect on the offense. But the personnel is all there to run a more traditional air-raid or NFL-type offense. How quickly they can pick it up is a question, but the kids we have are suited to that system.
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Jan 13, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions
The point is...
It will take at least 2 years to get a new system in place and running effectively. You’re right, the biggest learning curve will be for the O line, but let’s be honest, no team can run an effective offense without the beef. The running backs will all be learning the system, but what kind of RB’s are they? They were recruited for the spread, can they really be effective running between the tackles? The fact that we use a power run oriented spread does help somewhat. But, usually, the biggest problem with changing systems is getting the right personnel to run them.
I really like Chow, but let’s be realistic here, a change in systems will hurt our ability to compete in the next 2 years. IMHO that’s dangerous. If we fail to compete for our first 2 years in the Pac-12 south, how hard will it be for us to continue to recruit in a way that allows us to be a threat for division and conference crowns? Considering our relative lack of long term success, it’s possible that if we flame out at the beginning we may be dissmissed by recruits as an ‘also ran.’ I think we need a few strong years now in order to solidify us as a power in the South Division. Failing to achieve that, we could become the WSU of our division. I don’t know about you but I don’t relish the thought of going back to 4-8 and 5-7 seasons.
I don't think they were really recruited for the spread.
Personally I don’t think we’ve been a “spread” team since 2007. We’ve been moving towards a more traditional offense for a long time. Langi is a power guy, WRs are wide receivers, and we have the TEs and fullbacks to run the system. My only concern is the OL. I think our personnel is in place, as long as the OL can run the scheme. If we don’t change blocking schemes (and I have no idea what kind of OL blocking UCLA or Minn run, so I don’t know anything about it), then I think we’re set for the change without needing to recruit different personnel.
This isn’t RichRod at Michigan. We have the guys in the system ready to run a more traditional offense. And keep in mind that Norm ran a pro set at USC and for the Titans (of course), but it’s not like his BYU offenses were NFL offenses. I still expect us to throw the ball quite a bit.
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Jan 13, 2011 12:56 PM MST up reply actions
I think the key is Wynn...
…and his ability to throw the ball after the surgery. If he doesn’t recover, it will likely be a long season…but that would have been the case with or without Chow.
For me, the great thing about Chow is the kind of recruiting clout he is going to bring to the program. He’s our ticket to pulling in QB’s like Andrew Luck.
We may face a down year or two if things don’t fall our way, but once Chow establishes his system, I think we’re fully capable of creating a dynasty in the Pac-12 South.
but you do relish all the extra coin going into the athletic coffers, right?
…me, too.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
The real reason why the hiring of Chow is great news...
Is that this is a sign, that Utah isn’t going to be happy just being in the Pac-12. This is a sign they are willing to build a program.
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