UTES WIN! UTES WIN! UTES WIN! UTES WIN! UTES WIN! UTES WIN!
by JazzyUte on Oct 15, 2011 1:25 PM MDT
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PrintSAY GOODBYE TO THAT NASTY, AWFUL, SMELLY, MEAN LOOKING, MOTHER HATING, SISTER KISSING, TRAFFIC JAM CAUSING, SATURDAY RUINING LOSING STREAK! THE UTES WIN!
UTES WINNNNN!
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Let me be the first to say
Talk all you want about Pitt’s ineptness but that was caused a good portion by Utah’s defense. Ray Graham was the leading rusher.
Also it was nice to see Juan Blanco with a great game from start to finish.
Can someone make sure Cullen doesn’t get on the plane home?
Bird had a bad game on Special Teams. Failing to wrap up, and instead just trying to knock the player down on the Kick off return, and then the inability to hold on to the ball and causing a Touchback later.
Agreed...
I expected this game to be ugly. I don’t know why anyone thought differently. It’s never easy going across the country to play a BCS team that early.
If we were going to win, it was going to be by the skin of our teeth and narrowly.
In ‘05, I remember watching Utah lose to a mediocre (at best) UNC team in Chapel Hill and that Utah team was better than their performance. It’s not easy doing that. It’s not easy going two time zones over. It just isn’t.
Add the losing streak, a QB still trying to find himself, and I expected this game to be ugly. The difference? I think I felt Utah was probably going to lose this one.
So I’m happy.
The Defense was a monster...they won this game 2 times over...
…the second time is when Cullen tried to single-handedly give the game back to Pitt.
Darn Right!!!!
Everybody improved, JB4 kicked butt running and John Hays showed up and played well.
BUT THE DEFENSE ROCKED!!! ALL HAIL THE FIGHTERS!!!!!
Tough on special teams, but not so bad it cost us the game. Just made it closer than it needed to be. Otherwise we crush these guys.
Also
I’m not sure that Hays will be blitzed as much in the rest of the games this season combined, as he was in this game. Was there a defensive play that Pitt didn’t bring extra defenders?
I'm sick of this
I want some kind of disciplinary action taken against that degenerate Cullen. Whittingham better do something. I don’t care… anything.
That stupid SOB did everything he possibly could to lose this game. That personal foul for the late hit was one of the sickest things I’ve seen all season, and we’ve seen a lot.
It stupifies me how a player can be so stupid, and so flagrantly cavalier about their team. That gravity of the circumstances for that particular drive are enormous, and that fat turd swoops in for the blindside hit… just because. I can’t stand it any longer, and it just baffles me why Whittingham continues to reward that scumbag by starting him on an already atrocious O-line.
Get rid of this POS, either by cutting him entirely… putting him on the second string… or hanging him from the highest tree on campus.
The guy may as well have been wearing Blue and Gold this afternoon. It’s disgusting, it’s aggravating, and it will cost us significantly if he continues to start the remainder of the season.
Whittingham’s gotta be frustrated by Cullen’s garbage. And if he doesn’t do anything about it, it sends the message that his kind of behavior is acceptable on this team.
by TomahawkRed on Oct 15, 2011 1:37 PM MDT reply actions 6 recs
ok i've seen this a few times
what the hell does rec’d mean?
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Short for recommended...
If you click the actions link on a post, it brings up a set of actions you can take like flag a post and rec it – rec’n a post gives it a +1 or +2 or +3.
by JazzyUte on Oct 15, 2011 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
thank you
i’ve been so utterly confused but too lazy to ask until now
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
Unfortunately, we’re pretty light on the line. I think that’s what’s tying his hands right now.
Sadly though
There were times during the game I thought not having anyone out there would be better than what Cullen brought.
/vontaze'd
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
So far the Ute’s look a lot better on the road than at Rice-Eccles. Agreed? I know UW and ASU are good teams, but I haven’t seen the mistakes made at BYU and Pitt that happened in those games. Good win for the Ute’s today.
by jmehl on Oct 15, 2011 1:42 PM MDT via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah, it's weird...
I think we get too complacent maybe at home? I don’t know. Either way, this team’s best games have all come on the road.
Maybe they were trying too hard?
The UW game was the first PAC12 game at home and they may have pressed too hard – and coughed up the ball too many times. Then against ASU they didn’t want a repeat so again they tried too hard. I don’t know. Just a thought??
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson
I hope so...
It’s weird knowing now if I cheer against BYU, I’m doing so for the benefit of Utah’s current Pac-12 conference.
For years, all I was told was that we had to at least passively root for the Cougars in OOC games because it helped bolster the MWC.
Not anymore, bitches!
by JazzyUte on Oct 15, 2011 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Biggest Stat of the Day...
0 turnovers!!!!
by SladerExtra on Oct 15, 2011 1:47 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
The +3 TO margin is misleading...
1 was during garbage time.
…and nothing accounts for the blocked punt & special teams TD when we failed to tackle…and the force of nature that is John Cullen.
This win was sheer will by the D, and to a lesser extent Juan Blanco Cuatro.
Thoughts on the game...
1- I don’t care how ugly the game was… GREAT win…
2- The announcers kept talking about how off Pitt’s offense was… I say, Utah’s defense is just that good… The offense killed them against UW and ASU…
3- DAMN YOU JOHN CULLEN… YOU BLOW!!! I had to take my daughter to swimming lessons this morning and DVR’d after the first quarter. When I got home and rushed through the game, my DVR stopped recording right after the redzone cluster f**k and Cullen’s awesome personal foul… Amidst the scramble to see if the game was still going, in the back of my mind I was thinking… Critical moment… Had a chance to score… Yep, Cullen on cue…
4- Our defense is just that good.
5- If Hays plays smart football, our defense will get us to a bowl game.
6- The offense needed an IV and the got it… Great job JWIV…
by BetterasIgetolder on Oct 15, 2011 1:53 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree, sir.
Simply fantastic defense. That may have been our best performance defensively in our history. What else can you really ask from a defense than what they gave today? John White had more total yards than Pitt’s ENTIRE OFFENSIVE OUTPUT. That’s what I call Kyle Whittingham football right there. If our offense can score us enough points and not turn it over, we might just win the rest of our games this year.
Well done, Utes!
Way to go East, kick ass, and represent.
Looking at the stats
Yeah, our defense was pretty damn solid (although I think we were helped by some atrocious QB play). Still, holding them to 120 yards total offense is nothing to sneeze at. Also, they were only 3 for 15 on third downs. White IV had a near career day and most importantly — zero TOs.
Considering the early kickoff on top of the time zone difference,
that was pretty impressive. And regardless of how good or bad Pitt is this year.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:06 PM MDT reply actions
A Cal fan stopped on by earlier this week...
Talking about their trip to Maryland a few years ago. It was another ridiculously early start for those on the west coast and the Terps jumped out to a huge lead. Cal came back, but still lost.
So you’re absolutely right. Never easy going back east in the middle of the season.
My post-game take...
The D wasn’t overwhelmed by turnovers & won a game for us.
—We’ve seen how good they can be vs. USC, and in the first half of both the UW & ASU games. I truly believe them when they say if you score 21 points, we will win. (Granted, that needs to be a 0 turnover margin as well). I think they may be in the top 3 of Pac-12 defenses.
Juan Blanco is legit.
—When he gets into open space, past the first level of defenders, he can make people miss. I think he’ll make “all conference” honorable mention by the end of the season.
Jon Hays is improving, and may be serviceable by the end of the season. Offense is one-dimensional, though.
—Not having Christopher healthy is rough, but I think Hays starting to get more accurate (especially when the opposing defense tips the ball to where it needs to go), and didn’t throw any floating passes. Still needs improvement, but I think it will come & I love his toughness. We need him to start forcing the D to pay when they blitz. His pocket-presence is non-existent. When he gets that, and starts making his check-downs, the offense will start producing.
Our O-line is doing a better job at rush blocking…needs work on pass protection. Special teams blocking needs major work. Cost us OT vs. USC…gave 7 points to Pitt. I’m surprised they didn’t bring the house every time.
—Cullen almost singlehandedly cost us a game. He has cost us Wynn. I think we need to start exploring other options during the week. He is getting worse…I shudder to think of what he may do, or not do, next week.
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I think we’re capable of getting to 7-5, maybe 8-4…I had Cal circled as a loss at the beginning of the season. I’m hoping that the ugly way we won this game keeps us humble & working hard on fixing the problems in our game. If it does, I think we can win…but it’s definitely a trap game…although “The Grind” dictates that every conference game is a trap game. Never-the-less…it’s a game we can win. Let’s turn the season around!
I think...
Cal for me has always been up in the air, as well as Arizona (though they such this year)… My trap games thus far are OSU and WSU… So glad Utah is at WSU, I’ll actually be able to attend a game…
by BetterasIgetolder on Oct 15, 2011 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions
...all the road games...
Were circled as “L” for me before the season started (except Wash St.)…I expected a win vs. Washington @ home though.
I’m shifting my thinking at this point.
I think @ Cal, @ Wash St. & UCLA look like the losses. Hoping to go 1-2 in those games…
Arizona will be in disarray, Colorado is not good, and I think we get up for Oregon St. …plus they’re not looking hot vs. crappy BYU. I expect us to go 3-0…but oh, “The Grind”! I keep being told about “The Grind”…and how it’ll get us…
So right now, I’m expecting 7-5, which isn’t too bad for the inaugural season. If we get to the Vegas Bowl, & win, I bet we will finish ranked. The season is slowly looking less gloomy…
Get it done today Oregon St.! Then I’ll really be happy!
Ha ha ha!
Are you genuinely serious? Losses to UCLA and Wash State?
You’ve GOT to be kidding sir.
Cal is the only one we could lose out of those three games.
Utah can lose to anyone, IMO
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Agreed
I think Oregon State and Colorado will be the easiest games, but Utah could have trouble against those great passing teams. Especially if they continue getting FGs while in the red zone.
by UteinBrooklyn on Oct 15, 2011 10:51 PM MDT up reply actions
pull Cullen. he has blown it
Hats off to that stingy ass defense
by aUTmanAMi on Oct 15, 2011 2:13 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I agree
But I’m not sure who replaces him.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Oct 15, 2011 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll do it.
I’m only 5’11", 230 but I’m sure I can take up as much space on the line as he does. I’ll have to see the boss will give time off on Saturdays though.
doesn't matter
Whitt could replace Cullen with someone who just stands there and eats an ice cream cone. It would be an improvement.
It’s not so much “who else can produce like Cullen?” as it is “let’s get someone who won’t sabotage the game with a million false starts and endless filthy personal fouls at critical moments.”
I wish he would’ve went to USC. He’s definitely more the Trojan type.
Whitt could replace Cullen. The End.
Fixed it for you.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
Awesome win
A middle of the PAC team takes out one of the best the Big East has to offer… I really thought they were better than that. Or maybe I thought we were worse than that. Either way, we made the PAC-12 look good today.
Do we root for ASU or Oregon tonight, in the interests of the PAC-12?
Starting to feel like a bowl game is expected.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Oct 15, 2011 2:18 PM MDT reply actions
I'll be rooting ASU
but that’s just to annoy my cousin lol
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 2:19 PM MDT up reply actions
ASU...
We don’t play Oregon, and Stanford is going to challenge for the NC… I think an ASU win would do just as much for the conference…
by BetterasIgetolder on Oct 15, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm rooting for an ASU loss...and here's why...
The more teams we get into the BCS, the better bowl opportunities for us….
2 loss Oregon only gets in if they beat Stanford and AQ for the Rose Bowl. At that point, Stanford’s loss doesn’t look that great, and they’re probably not invited as an “at large”.
1 loss Oregon + 1 loss Stanford might both make it, with Stanford being an “at large” berth.
…although Oregon losing to ASU makes our loss a little easier to palate.
Keep laughing.
Whilst noting that every Ute win is OOC and every loss is in-conference.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I'll buy in when we lose to a team who's losses haven't come from ranked opponents...
…if you can’t follow the above…because it is conveluded…
USC…only loss, ASU
UW…only loss, Nebraska
ASU…only loss, Illinois
…all losses came to ranked teams.
I'm with you Middy
Maybe, just maybe, USC, UW, and ASU are better teams than Utah and those losses had nothing to do with a “grind.”
Makes me sad
that Utah doesn’t really have another opportunity to beat a better team than them. Those are the best wins.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Oct 15, 2011 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions
...at least the definition I'm getting from the Pac-10 vets...
I think “The Grind” exists…but they’re saying it starts at the beginning of the season, or even after BYE weeks. I don’t see that. Our losses to Washington & ASU were because they were the superior teams.
…and even at this point, I think that UCLA, Washington St. & Cal may be superior.
To me, “The Grind” is when you’re just physically & emotionally worn out…I don’t think we’ve hit that. Maybe in a few weeks.
I agree with "the grind" being physically & emotionally worn out...
In the MWC you could have games where the players minds were in the clouds… But not here… It’s all about focus… And that can wear you out…
by BetterasIgetolder on Oct 15, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree. It's both "convoluted" and "deluded."
“Conveluded.”
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I like it.
It’s a good word.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions
You just like it because I haven't bought in...
Like I said, I’ll buy in when we lose a game we shouldn’t.
I get the concept…I just haven’t seen the results first hand.
You lost to the Fuskies.
You have to re-earn my trust.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions
It has become but a hazy memory at this point.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Didn't we start a FanPost on "the grind"
so the discussion wouldn’t take up a million comments on other stories? Here it is. Go crazy.
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Haha.
you guys brought it on yourselves by failing the recognize the quality of your competition when you first moved over to the PAC. 100% of you chalked up WSU, UW and Cal as W’s before the season began. By failing to recognize the “any given Saturday” element of the muddled middle, you opened yourselves up to an education on the grind.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
100% of us?
Do you have any evidence to back this up? Because most of us were expecting 7-8 win seasons. So unless we expected to lose to Montana State, BYU, Pitt and others, you’re full of it.
It's useless.
They still seem to think if they can just get by the “better” teams, they can just roll the table the rest of the way, just like in the MWC.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It's clear you NW folks aren't very keen on reading comprehension...
It’s remarkable to me how you can spend an entire day in this thread and not read one word from it – or you purposely ignored the parts where people were talking about 6-6 or 7-5.
6-6 or 7-5, if you’re good at math, does not mean we expect to run the table. In fact, I don’t think anyone said we would. Is it possible? Sure. Likely? Probably not.
So ‘they’ (Ute fans, of course) seem to think Utah probably finishes 3-3 or 4-2 in their final six games…which is so not winning out.
Derp.
Oh c'mon now.
I’ve seen everything from an worrying about an 0-fer to winning out in here the past week. There has been a shift of sorts by some in awakening to what we mean by “the grind,” and that’s something in itself. Gekko is absolutely right when he wrote about the “muddled middle.” That’s where the Utes fall. There’s always one or 2 clear favorites (UO and the Tree this year) one or 2 bottom feeders (CU, AZ), and the vast middle (everyone else). You get 2 games against the bottom-feeders and the rest against your fellow middlers. You could just as easily lose all of those as win them. Such is the nature of the Middle of the PAC. Problem is, the ‘feeders can even beat any middler on the right day, and the middlers are always a danger to ruin anyone’s season (the Tree kept us out of the BCSNCG in ‘01-’02).
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
So you say there are 3 tiers...
Tier 1 – Oregon, Stanford
Tier 3 – Colorado, Arizona, (I will throw in Oregon St)
…and everyone else. Sounds like we’re thinking the same thing…I just think there’s a 4th tier…which I call the 2nd tier.
In some seasons, yes, and I know of whom you speak.
Azzy State has to prove themselves, because year after year they are hyped and year after year they disappoint. UW has proven they can beat fellow middlers, but they are too recently back from being terrible and their defense is derp-prone. And they are young. Too soon to really elevate them.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 5:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh c'mon yourself...
No one has said we’ll win out. IF someone has said it, it’s been about the possibility and nothing more. Don’t act because we entertain the thought that a win here and a win Saturday could snowball into some strong momentum means we’re totally delusional and expecting it.
Most, if not all my readers, have expected at least one or two more losses along the way.
So stop acting like we’re thumping our chests and proclaiming a 9-3 finish. No one has done that.
You are overreacting.
I’m not suggesting anyone is thumping their chests.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 5:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Your original post...
It’s useless.
They still seem to think if they can just get by the "better" teams, they can just roll the table the rest of the way, just like in the MWC.
Basically saying it’s useless even debating with us because we’re disillusioned to the point where an argument is futile.
That’s just not the case. Stop pretending any of us have guaranteed a 9-3 finish, or even above .500 finish along the way. Some readers are outright saying the Utes probably finish 6-6 this season, which would mean they went 3-3 in their final six Pac-12 games.
That’s the problem here. I’m taking issue with yours, and Gekko’s claim, that we kind of got it into our head that we were going to waltz through the conference or that 100% of us (which is a freakin’ lie) chalked up wins over Cal, Washington and Wazzu – when that hasn’t been the case.
Even during the week we played the Huskies, most our fans were cautious and conceded there was a real chance Washington could win.
Of course, why shouldn’t we have felt good at that point? Our team was coming off a bye and we had yet to lose our quarterback.
Even so, I’m getting sick and tired of some of you Pac-12 fans coming over here and telling us what you think we think. None of us thought this was going to be a cake walk. A small number of us thought we’d win ten games. Most realized there was a great possibility of losses and a 7-5 or 8-4 record.
Right now, that seems doable. But even so, after losing our QB and getting, barely I might add, by Pitt, we’re still not certain we can even sniff 7 regular season wins.
And I’ve not read one person who thinks Cal is a gimmie.
Of course it's doable.
8 wins is doable. 3 wins is possible. Hell, 9 wins is doable. And if you’re sick of “Pac-12 fans coming in here etc,” you need to grow a thicker skin. This is nothing. Many of the teams in the PAC have a hundred years of grudges.
You seem to be taking this awfully personally. You’re defending everyone in your forum from things they have said. Yes, some have expected to roll. Yes, a couple were equating UW to UNM right up until that game started. I have no issue with you and most of what you say. You do get pretty up and down, but you’re obviously a fan in the true sense. Heck, some of us had to buck YOU up after the UW loss, you were so disheartened. I guess the easiest way to explain what I mean with all this is to say that even when you have a very good team, and everyone expects the best, things are only going to turn out the way you want with great luck and good fortune, even more so than in the past. Just about every team in this conference has had great seasons ruined by even single plays and often against supposedly lesser teams. Some of this misunderstanding comes down to arrogance and naivety on both our parts, and for my part, I apologize if I have offended you.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions
No I don't need to grow a thicker skin...
I am perfectly fine with Pac-12 fans coming in here. I am not fine with them trolling or lying and making things up when clearly none of what you’ve said, or gekko, has ever been uttered by a fan here.
That’s the problem and something you seem to not get. I have no problem with you stating your opinion. I have a problem with you making up things to fit your opinion. No one is saying Utah will roll through the remainder of the schedule. However, that’s something you said we said.
That’s the problem, so knock it off.
We all are very well aware there is a good possibility the Utes lose a few games from here on out. No one has said otherwise, yet you’re convinced every one on this blog now believes 9-3 is likely.
Get real or get out.
Wrecking Machine...
I’m with Jazzy here.
Sorry, but your approach to this issue was too heavy-handed in that (for one) it made a negative generalization about Utah’s entire fanbase:
“It’s useless. They still seem to think if they can just get by the “better” teams, they can just roll the table the rest of the way, just like in the MWC."
You come into our “house” with that kind of passive-aggressive smack and you don’t think anyone’s gonna take exception? Grow thicker skin? Really? No.
Not sure what world you live in, but I wouldn’t (nor would most of us from Block U) behave in such a disrespectful, inflammatory manner at Addicted to Quack.
Because we could easily waltz on over there and flame you all for endlessly boasting about an overrated Ducks squad with awful fashion sense.
But naw… I’m not gonna do THAT.
Not trying to inflame.
Nor be passive-aggressive. Nor suggest that all Utes are the same. Never claimed that. I’ve been in here rooting for the Utes since they were welcomed to the PAC. But I have seen some…interesting comments in here and have commented in turn. Denying that some members one’s own forum have said some…logic-defying things and attacking the person who called them on it is your prerogative; it’s your forum.
And you are welcome to come into ATQ and flame us for boasting, if you actually found us boasting. Which you won’t, since we’re usually panicking. Overrated? Maybe. Not underrated. Probably just rated. Fashion sense? Picking the low hanging fruit is the way you want to go out after such a strong post? Especially given the hand-wringing I’ve seen in here about some of the Ute combos this season.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 16, 2011 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions
No one is talking about "rolling"...
I expect Utah to beat the teams that aren’t as good as they are.
If we get beat by Colorado, Oregon St., then you have an argument.]
Getting beat by USC, Washington, ASU…all 1 loss teams…that’s not indicating anything.
Even so, I don't think anyone has said we're finishing 9-3...
Maybe the most myopic fan, or someone who’s doing a lot of hoping, but generally, we’ve conceded 6-6 might be the most probable outlook, with an okay shot at 7-5 and a slim chance at 9-3.
Regardless, you’re right, no one has used the term roll because we’re not stupid. We just beat a 3-4 team by a hair. If anyone thinks we’ll ‘roll’, they’re just fucking with you.
Exactly...no one has ever said we'll "roll"...well maybe Mike Price...
I go back to my “Tier” system. Utah still looks like a 3rd tier Pac-12 team. So do Cal, UCLA, Washington St. Even a loss to any of those teams doesn’t prove anything.
Washington & USC are tier 2. At the moment, they look like strong teams…teams that belong ranked in the top 15-25.
By the end of the day…ASU might be tier 1…but I doubt it. Illinois was exposed today…I think Oregon is going to “roll baby”!
…anyway…lose to a lower tier football team…and then you’re talking about “The Grind”. Losing games you probably should lose…that doesn’t mean anything. That’s not indiciative of anything but another team’s superiority. When Utah lost to TCU last year…that wasn’t caused by anything but the superiority of the opponent.
Unless Utah ends up in Tier 2, and/or Washington, ASU, or USC ends up stinking, then you could call that game part of “The Grind”.
That's exactly the point.
Exactly which teams aren’t as good as Utah? We don’t know right now, because you’ve played 3 of 9 conference games. That’s why even though we’re the 2-time defending conference champs we worry and fret about EVERY game. We very nearly blew the whole deal against Cal last year, who wasn’t a “one-loss team” and didn’t make a bowl. Wazzu beat the hell out of us and stayed in the game until the 3rd quarter. UCLA…laid down and let us have our way in a truly pathetic and disgusting manner, so never mind. IOW, I see 2 games you SHOULD win but can lose and 4 games I can’t even call.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure, it's ever evolving...I thought Pitt was better than they obviously are...
…and perhaps ASU will be better than we both think…or worse. Who knows…but to me, “The Grind” is about losing to teams that you shouldn’t lose to…let’s go discuss on the thread I created…I’m going to sum up my thoughts now, after listening for a week.
http://www.blocku.com/2011/10/13/2487300/dear-pac-10-vets-lets-define-the-grind
I dont see it that way
To me, the grind has nothing to do with losing to teams you should beat.
The grind, as best I can interpret it, is having 9 or 10 games on the schedule that you could very well lose… as opposed to 2 or 3 on a MWC schedule.
This "grind" you speak of sounds a lot more like parity where most of the teams are in the middle.
Every conference has upsets. That’s not unique to the Pac-12 nor to BCS conferences. The fact that a superior team can lose to an inferior team is not groundbreaking to any sports fan (and I’m talking any sport here, not just colelge football.)
That’s why I have trouble believing in this amorphous “grind” that Pac-10 oldtimers keep referring to. You use it interchangeably with parity. Other fans use it to mean losing more often. And then some use it to refer to injuries. You guys should define “grind” a little better before we start freaking out about it.
Nope.
You’re going to have to live it to understand. There’s nothing we can do to really explain it further. 3 or 4 seasons should do it.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Any sport term you can't define
I’ll file into the category of utter rubbish. It’s like baseball oldtimers who scoffed at sabermetrics. If you can’t objectively define it, then it’s just a catchall for lazy thinking.
by Ute in DC on Oct 15, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You do what you have to do.
If you can’t objectively define it, then it’s just a catchall for lazy thinking.
That’s interesting. It’s an opinion, ironically can’t be objectively proved, and allows you to simply ignore the conversation. Well done.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Incorrect.
I’m not angry, just awed and amused by your chutzpah.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
We have a thread up talking about the grind...
Please move any topic of it over there for this thread can be used to celebrate/discussion today’s win and the rest of the games going on around the country.
Thanks.
Now who's at that time of the month?
;)
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again...
You’re being belligerent.
I’d advise you to tone it down a bit if you don’t want to ruffle feathers. Otherwise, people are only gonna toss back the fire you throw at them.
Everyone has an opinion. Let’s try to be tolerant of those that don’t agree with us.
Rec'd
So well said. It can all be quantified…we in the Pac-12 should embrace critical thinking. I love Sagarin for this reason.
Leave the Good ’Ol Boy “we was good, so we is good” to the SEC.
I’m not questioning the existence of a “grind”…I just think there needs to be clarification as to what causes the grind, & which losses are attributable to “The Grind”. So far, I’m not sure we can put one in that category. It will depend on where USC, UW, ASU, & Utah finish the season.
Maybe now we'll dump that lame ass TE Screen
Our TE’s are just too big and too slow for it to work.
...yes & no...
This BYU team is not very good. Their 4 wins have come against some very bad teams. Texas is mediocre….and they lost to them.
Yeah the human polls never overrank a team based on their history and tradition.
They always confine their opinion to the results from this year only.
So why is a New Mexico State fan hanging around here today?
I’m not complaining. It just seems a curious choice given the wide range of open threads on SBNation.
he's on this board quite a bit actually
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah,
The only WAC team with an SBNation blog used to be Boise State. And they’ve left now. UTEP also has an SBNation blog, but still.
I wouldn't go to the UTEP blog either if I were a New Mexico State fan
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Did you watch last week...
I expect Oklahoma St. to blow them out at any minute…
Their wins are vs. very mediocre competition.
They will be un-ranked by the end of the day.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ALREADY FOR CULLEN,
He has almost cost us the win today. And if we didnt get the win today, there would be a lot of hate mail coming his way. A win doesn’t excuse his piss poor play, and PENALTY AFTER PENALTY. Im LOVIN THE WIN! but pull his ass already.
shit no tackle would be better then him, at least we dont get the penalties, and our qb gets hit just as much.
by aUTmanAMi on Oct 15, 2011 2:42 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Sooooo....what do you folks REALLY think about this Cullen guy?
You’re all being a bit veiled in your criticism.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:44 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
There's an adage that you only notice an offensive lineman if he makes a mistake.
We noticed Cullen a lot this game.
what happened?
i’m watching the texas vs okie state game at the moment
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 2:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Right after you said "ball security! These long drives make me nervous!"
You can’t make that stuff up.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:48 PM MDT up reply actions
I say that every time we have the ball
…and every time, they…. Hmmmm….
This is the PAC.
Ohio State is tOSU, Oklahoma State is Okie Lite. There is only one OSU.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:50 PM MDT up reply actions
I advocate making Ohio State srOSU
some random Ohio State University
Yeah, but it makes things easy.
We could say fOSU (like fBSU), but that wouldn’t exactly make things clear now, would it?
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:52 PM MDT up reply actions
That may be the kindest thing
a Duck fan has ever said about Oregon State University.
But we got Stoops fired
That counts for something!
Too early to say that.
The Biebs have a habit of doing the opposite just to piss people (Ducks, mostly) off.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 2:55 PM MDT up reply actions
BYU players going down more than...
[insert crude sexual reference]
Their heads are too big
or are they too small? Discuss.
Too big
Anyone who barely makes a bowl game one year and talks about a national championship the next year has an ENORMOUS head.
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Like an orange on a toothpick
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It wasn't pretty
but I can finally take the bag off my head for a week.
Good job Defense and John White for running hard.
holy hell
everyone gives kellen moore and case keenum shit saying how old are they and what not but brandon weeden for okie state is 28!
BYU needs to put in Heaps.
I love watching that guy lose. And I have a hard time rooting against Riley Nelson because he’s a pretty cool guy.
Not that hard though. Go Beavs.
That's...what she said?
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I figured it out
The Cougars are pumped up to be around so many Beavers at once….
by scotty256 on Oct 15, 2011 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nice win...
I wasn’t really sold on John White until this game. Going up against a tough defense who knew he would be getting the ball almost every down, he was just great. And doing it with the worst offensive line the Utes have had in 7 or 8 years is even more impressive.
This offensive line is so terrible right now. John Cullen should be kicked off the team. Tevita Stevens should be benched. Mason needs to be start playing like he did in his first couple starts. Bergstrom and Brenner need to stop sucking, they’re better than that. This needs to be the #1 focus for recruiting right now imho.
What a defensive performance though. I know Pitt’s offense isn’t very good, but Ray Graham is. And holding another team to 120 total yards with a time of possession of 22 minutes is just amazing.
Go Utes.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Oct 15, 2011 3:06 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed about O-line.
They really can’t pass protect and John Cullen keeps committing costly penalties by being a moron and not being to remember the snap count. We won, but I am not going to start running around doing cartwheels.
We still don’t look good on offense.
And what’s up with the stupid punt formation with nobody in the middle. Our back guys are not smart enough to cover the right people if they overload one side as they all engage one side and somebody else breaks free untouched. We still haven’t learned from last year’s three blocked punts.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Oct 15, 2011 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I hate that formation with a passion...
I’ve seen more blocked punts because of that bullshit punt formation (and not just by the Utes, a lot of CFB teams use it) than I can stomach.
Just put everyone on the line and block for the damn punter already. Don’t just let random guys through hoping they will be picked up. It drives me crazy.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Same formation that led to the punt being at Notre Dame.
You are right. Just line up and block. It’s a lot more simple for college guys. Our special teams coach is probably still going to use it until we have a couple more blocks.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Oct 15, 2011 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Remember when BYU put out a press release saying Riley needed surgery on his non-throwing arm
and we were all mystified about which arm they meant?
by Ute in DC on Oct 15, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
As I was saying, Jazzy.
The Biebs will do it just to be contrary.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 3:21 PM MDT reply actions
Exactly.
But if they catch wind of your city-folk schemin’, they’ll blow the win at the last second just to show you who’s boss.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 3:23 PM MDT up reply actions
No waiting this year!
We blow wins way before the last second
by scotty256 on Oct 15, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I saw him play you guys
I just know he’s got more of that in him!
Plus Nelson’s running is killing us
You'll shut him down in the 2nd half...
Especially when you realize he’s not a threat to pass really.
So Texas is bad again.
Getting their butts handed to them by Okie Lite at home.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 3:30 PM MDT reply actions
The only thing that's better than the first four words
is the fifth ;)
They attempted a field goal...
Beavs blocked it and nearly ran it back for a TD before a tackle saved BYU from utter humiliation.
oh jeez. thats too bad they didnt run it back.
how about Michigan state beating undefeated Michigan @ their own house.. OUCH!
Pritnear at the top of the list of unsurprising results.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 3:39 PM MDT up reply actions
This BYU TV halftime is the lamest thing I have ever seen...
Getting excited about beating a 8-5 Oklahoma team. The bar is low at BYU.
Side note
How was Hoffman’s only offers from Sacramento St and Cody Hoffman?
by PhuckthePhillies on Oct 15, 2011 4:01 PM MDT reply actions
No Arizona game this week, watched the Utah game, got up at 9 to do it!!!
… and I’ll say that was one of the most dominant defensive performances i’ve ever seen from any team, that was virtuoso, either a punt or a turnover on every possession????
Arizona’s Defense can take a few tips…
Does Arizona have a defense?
That being said, you NEVER want to play a team after a coaching change. Especially one that had so thoroughly given up on their fired coach as the ’cats had.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 5:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Loss to OSU was inexcusable, its not like UCLA is good, at all
We need to stop the bleeding on thursday, hey basketball season starts in a few weeks!
Speaking of Basketball, how is Utah going to be? I haven’t kept up on them like usual this offseason.
Very bad
Check back in a few years
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I thought they were supposed to be at least decent?
Meh, the state of P12 roundball is pretty bad right now. Don’t know what happened.
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by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
8 players transferred out of the program after the coaching change
Not that they were doing much last year. But the roster has I think four returning players and a bunch of JC transfers and freshmen. Most publications are picking Utah to be at or very near the bottom of the conference. They may surprise and do a little better than that, but the expectations are low.
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Had no idea.
That’s where we were year-before-last. Rough going.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Too many new faces...
It’s going to be a long season. I expect 10 wins and probably the worst record in the Pac-12.
Weak this year.
It’s might be a race to the bottom.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 16, 2011 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Defense made a statement
Really started with the first play of the game, run with Graham stuffed for 1 yard loss.
Also we ran the ball effectively! 171 yards for John White.
It’s just a matter if getting the guy room to run he’s so good at making guys miss.
also a clear emphasis on ball security
0 fumbles lost
I really noticed the guys wrapping up and protecting the ball
They seem to have learned their lesson.
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The tackling was good outside of that kickoff; that play was just horrible
by PhuckthePhillies on Oct 15, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions
maryland given clemson a run for its money
by aUTmanAMi on Oct 15, 2011 6:26 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Anybody know how long wynn is going to be out?
Utah can def make a run at the rest of this season, if their defense dominates like that everygame but wynn would certainly help alleviate all of the pressure on the d
the rest of the season
has to have surgery
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions
What?? How did this escape me the past couple of weeks! geeze... well
if hays can just be a game manager and not turn the ball over I like Utah’s chances in pretty much every single game
yeah it was a pretty big blow.
if anything happens to hays….. i cringe thinking about it…….
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 7:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Anyway, nice win!
Way to represent the PAC. Now I have to go worry about whether one or more of our players will be ‘tazed and whether Brockweiler is really 11’9" tall.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Oct 15, 2011 7:18 PM MDT reply actions
He's really that tall.
Good luck.
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Not only that.....
But even at that height, his knuckles drag on the ground.
I swear one score he put the ball over the goal line from the 5.
on that 4th down QB sneak i knew we were screwed
Osweiller didn’t even have to move i don’t think. ridiculous!
by khaostheory117 on Oct 15, 2011 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Just wanted to stop by and say congrats on the win
Tough trip and a quality opponent. Nice job – way to represent the PAC. Good luck here on out.
Told ya. Didn’t I tell you?
Next time you’ll listen to your Uncle Oski, won’t you?
Congrats, boys.
Being an Old Blue means never accepting success.
by SoCal Oski on Oct 15, 2011 8:37 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Wish I could make to the game next week!
Pac-Bell is the best park in the country! LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT! God I miss going see the Giants play!
I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.
We are really getting the crap luck this year
Thank goodness for the win.
Something about our team . . .we held them to 120 yards and were behind at the half? They score 14 points on 120 yards? Yes, I know they were special team plays, vut that is why we’re not winning. We don’t seem to have any facet of our game clicking.
Said it last spring, still saying it: O-line worst I’ve seen at Utah in some time. We got some studs but . . .I dunno. We run OK at times, against crappy teams. But pass protection? Part of why Wynn was doing so poorly.
Anyone have any ideas?
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Yeah...
Recruit Recruit Recruit! That being said, we will be hard to beat next year! This D is solid and young. I mean are you kidding me? They pitched a shut out today. Not one offensive score from PITT… didn’t expect that. My guess is that the O-line will improve and continue to learn and gain experience and skill. We have all the pieces in place for next year. Let’s just hope we get past Cal at Pac-Bell Park (or what ever it is called now?) and keep winning one game at a time, make it to a nice bowl game (Anything but Vegas!), win it, and dominate 2012.
I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.
Will be good, but are losing a lot
The front seven has been the strength this year. Utah will bring some good talent back, but are also losing two starting linebackers, and lot of depth from the defensive line. Most notably Shelby, but also Finau, Aiono, Nai Fotu, Talamaivao. That’s a lot of bodies in the rotation. Who knows if anyone will declare early for the NFL draft too. Pretty much everyone comes back on offense, except both of the tackles.
I know people won’t be too sad about Cullen leaving, but look at it this way. With all of the drive killing penalties he’s produced this year, if the guy behind him on the depth chart were anywhere near as good, he would already be playing.
by UteinBrooklyn on Oct 15, 2011 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Should we root for Oregon or ASU? Great game so far
by PhuckthePhillies on Oct 15, 2011 9:52 PM MDT reply actions
Don't think it really matters...
We ain’t catching ASU and we don’t play Oregon, so, personal preference, I guess.
what about a bowl. will an asu win or oregon win mean more pac12 teams in bowl games?
by PhuckthePhillies on Oct 15, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know...right now I don't think it matters...
I guess it could help if ASU wins, surges up the BCS rankings, then loses to Oregon/Stanford in the title game and receives an at-large bid. Could give us a better bowl game.
ASU
Tired of OU and their UGLY outfits. And what’s up up with MSU and the gold head gear? Really? Outside of PSU nothing is sacred.
I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.
^this..
I hate their uniforms, I hate all the people on their bandwagon because of their recent success.
by SladerExtra on Oct 15, 2011 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
The ugly uniforms are the new norm
Everyone is getting crazy uni’s. Ut’s inevutable. Has anyone seen the back blackout helmets? I’m still wondering if they’ve taken the topography theme a little further.
I think the BLK Out is a bad omen.
We are Red and White with BLK trim. Thats it. If anything shouldn’t we have White OUT’s not Back Outs? Makes more sense to me…
I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.
not me
Blackout is perfect. I’m not feeling a white out. Utah never wears their white jerseys at home.
Thoughts
- I had trouble comprehending the fact that the defense had barely given up 100 yards for the entire game, John White had rushed for over 150, The Utes controlled the time of possession, but Utah still could have lost the game in the last 4 minutes. Did that really just happen?
- The reason is, you have to score TDs when you’re in the red zone. FGs are better than turnovers, but they also allow the other team to hang around. A big play here or there changes a dominating day into a loss. I don’t know how many times Utah got inside the five, but I do know they scored 0 times when they did.
-The FG kicker was better than advertised. I kept thinking he was going to miss one, but he was clutch and put points on the board for Utah. Hopefully he’ll get some confidence to go with his leg.
-Hays didn’t turn the ball over which is a huge improvement. Next step is to figure out how to get the ball in the end zone. His one TD of the day was lucky.
-White had his best game of the season. He was amazing and kept the offense on the field. Some other guys have to become a threat or he will get boxed up.
-Remember when Urban Meyer was the special teams coach and we were the ones always blocking timely punts, or getting a critical special teams play? What the hell happened today? That mess needs to get cleaned up fast.
-Cullen… hmmm… after reading some comments on this thread, I don’t even want to pile on the guy. The OL in general gave up too many sacks. It’s a team game. HAHA
-People can say how bad Pitt is, but their RB has gone over 200 yards on multiple games this year. Great job by the defense.
-Utah has played the hardest half of their schedule and is 3-3. We’ll see if they can do some damage with the second half and win 8 games. Cal is probably the toughest game remaining on the schedule. I wouldn’t overlook any team though. Arizona averages nearly 400 yards passing. With Utah’s weak pass d, a few FGs won’t keep Utah in the game. Same thing with Washington State.
Punting
Is Sean Sellwood injured? What’s the status on him?
Pass blocking
Who calls changes to the blocking assignments at the line-Hays or the O-line? I know some teams have the QB do it and some teams have the center do it. I think this is maybe a duty that film room rat Wynn used to take care of well. Someone is going to have to step up in this area.
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