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Whittingham's most masterful coaching job yet?

Kyle Whittingham has won over seventy-percent of his games at Utah. He's produced an undefeated season, led the Utes to a second-place finish nationally and a Sugar Bowl win over the Alabama Crimson Tide

It's hard to imagine, at least from the coaching perspective, that '08 could ever be topped - outside, you know, winning the whole thing. 

Yet, with two weeks remaining in the '11 regular season, the case could be made that this year is his best coaching job ever at Utah and it might not even be close. 

'08 was great and certainly this post isn't here to diminish what Utah did. But that was also with a team loaded with senior leadership, a great quarterback, a balanced running attack and a defense that was not only stocked with talent, but bundled with experience. 

This year's team, though, has lost its quarterback, started over with its running game and rebuilt parts of its defense - all the while entering a BCS conference and they still managed bowl eligibility. 

A few weeks ago, after the California debacle, that seemed unlikely. Eight wins seemed inconceivable. 

Now, however, this team has a good chance, depending on how the final three games go, of surging to nine victories, which, all things considered, would be something of a miracle. 

Already, even without the prestigious rankings and BCS contention, this season is more satisfying and successful than what Utah did last year. The Utes, a year ago today, had just been beaten down two weeks in a row against the TCU Horned Frogs and Notre Dame Fighting Irish. Sure, they still had a chance to win ten games and beat BYU, but everything, after that lay down against the Irish, seemed hollow. 

There won't be ten-wins this season and it's possible the Utes even have a couple more losses ahead of them, but it's not hard to suggest this season, more than any other, shows how valuable Kyle Whittingham, and the staff he's built, is to this program. 

Not many teams can counter with losing their starting quarterback by winning four of their last five - three of which have come in blowout fashion. 

But that's exactly what the Utes have done this season. Once sitting at 3-4 and on the cusp of a losing campaign, Whittingham rallied the troops and now Utah's the hottest team, outside USC, in the Pac-12 South. 

8-4 is now not only a possibility, it's actually now starting to be the expectation. 

All this with a D-II quarterback and, even today, a fairly one-dimensional offense. 

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Not only would I say this is by far Whitt's best coaching job

But I would also counter that this is also possibly Chow’s best year as well. To revamp the offense, and have a starting QB who missed all of fall camp, and part of spring camp is a difficult task. Yet when Wynn went down in the UW game, not only was he playing smarter than anytime in his career, Wynn was starting to look really really good passing wise.

Enter the abomination of a QB Jon Hays. Jon Hays is not a Division 1-A QB, let alone a Pac-12 QB. Honestly I don’t think Jon Hays should be on a Pac-12 roster. Yet he was absolutely better than anything we had behind Wynn coming into the season. That may be the one knock on Whit this year, was the lack of QB depth. Why did Jon Hays join the team? Chow.

Unfortunately when Hays became the full time starter there was some growing pains, but over his six starts, Chow has done a masterful job of calling plays and putting the Utes in position to win games. Granted Hays eventually wet the bed in the second half against ASU, and was even awful the next week at Pitt, and even worse against Cal, but amazingly we still managed to win that Pitt game.

The last three weeks has been as close to perfect offensive playcalling one can get. Chow has done a masterful job this season.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 15, 2011 12:52 PM MST reply actions  

Maybe not D1 but...

Jon is a leader. With leadership comes confidence building. RIght now, the team is playing with confidence again. They lost the confidence (including the coaches) after the USC game. Any good coach will make the necessary adjustments. I think Chow finally found something he could work with, misdirection plays and freaky deaky John White IV (Barry Sanders 2.0).

by OdiiGis on Nov 15, 2011 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

The team is playing with Confidence, but it's not from Hays

The team is playing with confidence because the Defense has been amazing, and White has been an absolute stud.

Hays has simply managed not to wet the bed.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 15, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

interesting....

if we win out and finish 9-4, then yes, all things considered, this is Whitt’s best job. If we stumble and finish 6-7 or 7-6, then its just another season in my mind.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:03 PM MST reply actions  

Disagree...

You can’t just call it ‘another season’ when the context of that season is different than the others.

The ‘06 season, probably the weakest of in terms of wins/losses, in my mind, was one of the best coaching jobs of Whittingham’s career. He took a backup quarterback, a team with no real run game, and won eight games and nearly upset the best BYU team of the past decade.

Similarly, Jerry Sloan’s best coaching job, IMO, was the year he went 42-40 in ’04. No playoffs, barely a winning record, but in the context of the season, pretty remarkable. That was the year after Stockton retired and Malone bolted for the Lakers – a season where a few sportscasters floated the idea of Utah possibly setting the NBA record for fewest wins in the season.

That was, I guess in the form of history, ‘just another season’ – but it was a great, great coaching job by Sloan. His best, IMO, of his career.

And he had a lot of great seasons.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 1:08 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

agree on Sloan and the '06 season and on taking things in context.

but if we finish 7-6, is this really a “great” coaching job? Sure, you can factor in everything, but the loss to Cal, getting blown out so much……….I don’t know. And when I say “just another season”, that is still pretty good.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

that '06 team had a win over TCU

as a “quality” win. WIll this team be able to say the same thing if they finish 7-6 (including a bowl game loss)?

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:22 PM MST up reply actions  

'06 also had losses to New Mexico, UCLA and Wyoming...

And it happened in the MWC. This is coming in the Pac-12.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 1:29 PM MST up reply actions  

still

I don’t consider 7-6 to be a “great” coaching job this season, even under the circumstances. Good, but not great.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree with BigBen...

I won’t be impressed unless we’re 9-4.

Granted I’m happy with what Coach Whit has done with the season, but I haven’t seen any “impressive” wins yet.

Even with as bad as Hays is, the rest of the team around him is so good that it just became a matter of learning to grind the ball on offense until the D sucks in, and hope a play action lob pass over the defenders head connects…and ultimately just controlling the ToP, field position & turnover margin.

I need to see wins over Wassu & whomever our bowl opponent is to feel good about the season…but I will say that if we do finish 9-4, I think we’re going into ’12 as the South Division favorites…with a real shot at the Rose Bowl.

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry...

But you two just proved my point.

A couple weeks ago, we were all just hoping for six wins. In fact, I believe it was you, Middy, who said we probably would win no more than six games. Certainly that’s a possibility still, but in reality, that’s now the worst case scenario.

The fact it’s the worst case scenario, I guess, proves my point. Whittingham has done a great job this year. He’s taken a team being led by a DII quarterback and a one-dimensional offense and has them on the verge of potentially winning eight regular season games – something not many of us thought possible a few weeks ago.

The fact you’ll only be impressed with nine wins when, four weeks ago, you were conceding no more than six, is pretty ridiculous.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

i would change it from

“great job this year” to “great job this second half”. That I can agree on. Looking at the season as a whole, 8-5 would be better than good, 9-4 would be great. 7-6 would be good overall. 6-7 would be a failure.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:51 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont think anyone is saying that they will

only be “impressed” by 9 wins, its just that that is what it will take, in my mind, for this to be conisdered a “great” coaching job. Yeah, 3 weeks ago, we were all just hoping for bowl eligibilty. He has done a great job……..in the second half of the season.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

I think that's exactly what he's saying...
I won’t be impressed unless we’re 9-4.

In fact, that’s the exact quote…

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 2:22 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

goofed on that one. I still hold to my argument though.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 2:24 PM MST up reply actions  

...and I stand behind that.

I see no reason we shouldn’t beat Wassu, and we should roll Colorado.

If we beat an above average bowl opponent, I will feel that we have “over-achieved”.

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

I see a reason...

A few weeks ago, you thought we weren’t good enough to beat Wyoming. ;-)

That’s reason enough! haha

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 2:25 PM MST up reply actions  

Wazzu*

Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**

by Neil Vincent Roberts on Nov 15, 2011 2:50 PM MST up reply actions  

Learning curve...

When you learn to properly pronounce Hurricane, Utah…I will spell Wazzu correctly…

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 3:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I want you to find where I said "no more than 6 games"...

I’m negative…but I don’t think I’m THAT negative…unless I said it in the throws of getting our ass handed to us during the ASU or Cal game, then all bets are off :-)

I’m not saying that what Whit has done is a good job…I’m just not putting it in the “most impressive ever” category.

UCLA, Arizona, Pitt…these are decent teams, better than MWC teams…but they’re still marginal in the grand scheme of things…so if we’re better than marginal in terms of talent & coaching, we should be beating them.

…and unless the deal is sealed (meaning wins over Wassu, Colorado, bowl win)…I’m not sure you can herald this season as “best coaching job ever”.

Otherwise, I see no real difference between this year @ 8-5/7-6…and last year at 10-3.

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P.S. I do agree with the ‘04 Jazz season…that was impressive. Sloan proved he could take average/below average players in the NBA and make them successful if they executed the flex to perfection (as best they could). I’d say that was one of the greatest coaching jobs in NBA history…even though no one noticed.

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

You're right...

It was an assumption based on your post-Cal feelings.

Regardless, I can’t help you see the difference between 10-3 in the MWC with three awful, embarrassing losses and 8-5 in the Pac-12. If you feel that is the same, so be it.

I think you’re wrong.

And it stumps me, I guess, that you’re fine with calling Sloan’s ‘04 job thew greatest in NBA history, but you won’t even begin to entertain the thought of this being an impressive coaching job by Whitt unless they win nine-games.

I honestly do not get that. Utah’s without its quarterback, is in a new BCS conference and they’re not going to have a losing season, even with the change in offense, the fact we’re now a one-dimensional offense, and that’s not impressive to you?

As DC said, whoa, tough crowd.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 2:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I remember questioning the idea that they would be an automatic win...I didn't say we would lose.

…but at this point, yes, my opinion has changed. I doubt they would give us a game.

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

My opinion would be based on what happens this week with Oregon St.
If I use a little transitive property action…

If Oregon St. is in the MWC, I could see them losing to Boise, TCU, SDSU, maybe Air Force. Throw in their loss to Sac St. & BYU…I’ll put them at 6-6.

Oregon St. gave BYU a game until the 4th quarter…and while I think BYU is an improved team from the one we played, if we’re really an 9-3/8-4 MWC team, we should also handle Oregon St.

If we don’t…I think we’re probably a 7-5 team, with losses to Boise, TCU, SDSU, almost guaranteed…possibly Wyoming, depending on the health status of Wynn, possibly Air Force & Colorado St. would be a swing game. We’re higher than Oregon St. in my projection thanks to the OOC wins vs. BYU, Pitt, & Montana St.

I don’t think Utah loses to UNM or UNLV under any circumstances though.

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 2:37 PM MST up reply actions  

So there you go...

The coaches improved the team. That’s the overall point. Our season was on the brink, we looked awful, and now we’re expecting to win out because the coaches brought the team back from the brink.

That’s why I am impressed.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 3:31 PM MST up reply actions  

The season isn't over...

…and that’s my and BigBen’s point.

I will wholeheartedly agree with you if we’re 9-4…which it looks like we’re headed toward…but I still want to see it happen before I christen this the most masterful coaching job in Whit’s career.

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 3:57 PM MST up reply actions  

See...

And I think, the fact he got us to a bowl game, the same as when Sloan took a bunch of no-talent youths and got ’em to within a game of the playoffs, is accomplishment enough.

Doesn’t mean I won’t be disappointed if we lose another game – but I’m not going to change my mind. This team went from 3-4 and on the brink of a losing season and now sit at 6-4 with a good chance of winning out. Can’t ask for a better job than that.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 4:04 PM MST up reply actions  

...but these aren't no talent Ute's...

This is a team that many thought would contend in the South. Sure, the QB is a critical factor, but Wynn wasn’t the only reason pundits thought that. There is a lot of talent on this team…

Again, happy with the turn around, but need to see the follow-through. You’re going to get Coach Whit to rest on his laurels with your high praise before the season is over. I know he’s reads your blog every morning before he goes to work…

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 4:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I think when you're starting a DII QB...

You can make the claim this team is lacking the most basic talent at the most important position.

That’s the problem here.

Not many teams are going to win games, especially at the BCS level, with a DII guy lining up under center.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 5:24 PM MST up reply actions  

The QB isn't just the big issue.

A QB who shouldn’t be on a D1 Roster,
A completely new offensive system
2 games without their best WR
9 players I believe lost for the season (not counting Shreve)
A RB competition that went from 2 or 3 legitimate options in fall to a stud and a bunch of stiffs.

This was a team that should everything go well, 8-4 or 9-3 was the realistic best expectation.

To be sitting 2-3 with two brutal road games upcoming, to even get bowl eligible is impressive.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 16, 2011 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Talent level is the difference...

That Jazz team had no “all stars”…sure Kirilenko played at all star level…but we all know that he is more of a role player when it’s an ideal situation. Mo Williams was the only other “starter” level of talent in the NBA on that roster…and he was a rookie who barely saw playing time. Raja Bell is a 6th man, albeit a strong one…and maybe you could make an argument for Harpring as a starter…but tha’s also less than ideal for a “good” NBA team.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/UTA/2004.html

… comparatively, this Utah team has a lot of NFL talent. The defense is the best in the Pac-12. The suspect Secondary we worried about during fall camp has turned into a pretty good squad. White could very well end up like a poor man’s Sproles in the NFL. The O-line has made significant strides…and even Hays has become a better “game manager”.

While I will say that my opinion of the team has improved over the past few weeks, and some of that credit should go to Whit, some of my negativity was also skewed by how horrendously bad we were in our losses 3 out of those 4 weeks.

Perhaps if we weren’t turning the ball over 5 times a game, I would have had a better perspective as to the talent on the squad…and so you could also credit Whit for getting the TO issue under control, and revamping the offense to fit the strengths of the offense & minimize the weaknesses…

…rather than being a moron like Neuheisel, and continuing with the same game-plan he had in fall camp & hoping for different results.

…but I don’t know that we can call this roundup a success until all of the cows are in the corral. If we don’t beat Wazzu (thanks NVR) & Colorado, we’re back where we were after losing to Cal…

Granted, I only thought we had 7-8 wins in us, so getting 7-8 wins out of Hays is somewhat impressive…but I think this Utah team has more in them. I’ve seen what we’re capable of, and I expect more now, dammit!

by Middy_U on Nov 15, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions  

You guys are a tough crowd.

For me, a 54–10 win over BYU, in Provo, is impressive. It’s on par with edging TCU at home in 2006.

Pittsburgh or UCLA, could also turn out to be impressive wins. I bet Pitt ends up with a winning record. Considering the circumstances of that game, it was an accomplishment for the team and coaching staff.

by Ute in DC on Nov 15, 2011 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

nah, we are all just getting hung up on words. All of us are more or less saying the same thing.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Good article Jazzy. Coach Whit had done a really good job this year. Whit's best decision may have come in February,

when he not only managed to get UCLA to pay Norm Chow to be our coach, he also managed to keep Aaron Roderick and Dave Schramm happy enough to stay on the staff.

I am a huge Norm Chow fan. He has exceeded my expectations. I cannot imagine how good this offense would be if he had a great quarterback and a few years for the players to learn his system.

by Ute in DC on Nov 15, 2011 1:25 PM MST reply actions  

Either way we still hold him and the rest of the staff in high regard!!

All you have to do is look over on the UCLA blog and see how the villagers are getting ready to storm the castle to know how lucky we are.

That even if we end at 7-6, we all strongly believe that better days are coming and we will turn this around and be a force to be feared in years to come with KW at the helm.

by U of Uman on Nov 15, 2011 1:32 PM MST reply actions  

Or to quote Conan...

(the barbarian, not O’Brien)

When asked what was best in life, he replied:

To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. That is what is best!!!!

by U of Uman on Nov 15, 2011 11:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Great article

I still have to give the best coaching job award to his performance in January of 2009. Last week, Whit outcoached Slick Rick; he has spent the season facing similar X and O competition. In the Sugar Bowl, he completely blew Nick Saban away. Saban.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 15, 2011 1:37 PM MST reply actions  

this thread has probably set a record for the most comments

debating the single word “great”.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 2:28 PM MST reply actions  

TBD...

If we finish out winning at Wazzu(a place some people think we can’t win, but in my mind a very winnable game) & Colorado and it gets us in a good bowl than I would call this Whit’s best job for usre.

A lot of hate on what Hays for what he can’t do but I like that he’s shown some toughness(frankly something missing from Jordan Wynn), and he is playing a lot smarter – he hasn’t turned the ball over, only throwing it to where our guys can catch it. I think the coaching staff has turned Hays into a decent game manager.

by utahmanami on Nov 15, 2011 3:00 PM MST reply actions  

I have to disagree

with the fact that Jordan Wynn isn’t “tough”. “Injury-prone”……absolutely. But the kid also has toughness and I am not sure how that is debatable.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 15, 2011 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Some interesting numbers.....

Utah held USC to its second lowest point total…. including the blocked FG for a TD. The only closer game was SC’s debacle against Minn. Otherwise, USC has put up lots of points (34.1 avg).

Utah is still second in the conference in turnover margin at +6. The four games they lost they were -11. Most of those can be placed upon Jon Hays inexperience. It could have been scary with Wynn healthy all season!

So while it may have been KW that coached them, I think it really rests on Hays cutting down his errors.

by Skinnyjon on Nov 15, 2011 3:06 PM MST reply actions  

I think rests on the Coaching Staff not putting so much on him.

Look at the second half of the UW game, and the ASU game. Utah was asking way too much him. He was passing way more than he should have.

After that, the Staff changed the game plan.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 15, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Ranked at the end of regular season?

I just noticed that we are getting votes in the coaches poll (as is TDS). Any chance we end up ranked if we win out?

by Ute_in_Austin on Nov 15, 2011 3:37 PM MST reply actions  

Yes.

If we win out and our bowl win comes against a decent opponent, we’ll almost certainly be ranked in the low 20s or just outside (first or second in the “others” category). In the past few years there have been almost no 9-win BCS-conference teams that weren’t ranked or nearly ranked.

From the AP poll (Historical AP Poll Data):

In 2010 the only BCS team to get to 9 wins and not be ranked was West Virginia (9-4) and that’s probably because they lost their bowl game (they were 22nd before the game).

In 2009 OK State and Rutgers were both 9-4 and unranked. OSU lost their bowl game badly and had been ranked prior to the bowl loss. Rutgers is interesting because they won their bowl game convincingly (45-24 against UCF) and still weren’t ranked, but that’s probably because they got blown out twice during the season (47-15 against Cincy, 31-13 against Syracuse) and Syracuse wasn’t very good.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Nov 15, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Two things...

And sorry if this has been said already, I have yet to read all of the comments.

1- TECHNICALLY, we can still hit 10 wins. There are a lot of things that have to fall into place, but if by some miracle we win the PAC 12 south, then beat Oregon, then win in the Rose Bowl, we hit 10 wins. Highly unlikely, but possible.

2- If Utah wins out, finishes 8-4, regardless of winning the PAC 12 south, I would say there is a strong argument for Coach Whit to be named the Coach of the Year. What other team has done/could have done what Whit did with a QB who expected to be at a D-II school this year?

by BetterasIgetolder on Nov 15, 2011 3:39 PM MST reply actions  

I like that number 1.

But I haven’t heard many people give credit to Chow. He might actually be doing more than Whitt. A lot had to change for the offense after we lost Wynn.

by uteswim1988 on Nov 16, 2011 8:16 AM MST up reply actions  

After the Cal game, we were truly in the toilet.

I agree with Jazzy, that to have basically little or practically NO passing game and to climb out of the crapper and to win three games with ‘just’ a defense and a running game that every opponent knows is coming is an impressive Coaching/Motivation job.

In fact I like our new run it down your throat ’toughness". A mentality that has been lacking with this football team since the magical 2008 season. A team trait that we would probably NOT have known about it without the setback at QB.

That being said, if we cannot sustain this momentum/improvement for the remaining games, then I will feel the same way I did last year after we reached #6 in the polls, that is our turnaround was just a crest in stormy seas rather than a true, season defining change.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 15, 2011 5:23 PM MST reply actions  

I think it depends...

If we go 0-3 to end the season. I’ll concede the point. If Utah loses Saturday, but bounces back to win their next two, I’ll feel okay about my statement.

If we win Saturday, beat Colorado and lose our bowl game, I’ll still feel okay about my statement.

by JazzyUte on Nov 15, 2011 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

72 and 73' Super Bowl and Undefeated Miami Dolphins Formula

I wasn’t around then, but I have studied that team so much I could write a PhD dissertation on them at another university and add a school to my moniker. (If I had my choice it would Cal or Stanford). :)

The 1972 and more so the 1973 Miami Dolphins won with the same game plan, which Utah is using now. A ground game with a few passes sprinkled in to keep opposing defenses honest, and a league leading defense.

if you had asked me if this was possible for Utah after the Cal game, I would have thought you were nuts. I don’t know who (obviously Coaches and players both) lit a fire underneath the O-line, but that unit is playing better now, Much Better. Credit the Coaching Staff for this amazing turnaround.

Three games of success does seem like a small sample size, but I am pleased how the coaching staff has adjusted so far. They are the best judge of talent on this team, and I agree with their game plan thus far – though I probably would pass a bit more.

Go Utah, beat WSU!

by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 15, 2011 6:10 PM MST up reply actions  

I won't make that judgment

until the end of the season. He has done a great job in the second half of the season. If they win the last 3 (bowl included), best job he has done. If they win the last two and go down fighting in the bowl, an argument can be made. Anything less would have little weight with me.

by PanchoUte on Nov 15, 2011 7:46 PM MST reply actions  

2 games left

At the beginning of the year I looked at the schedule and had us pegged for losses at USC, ASU, a split between BYU and Pitt on the road, and one other PAC12 road game, most likely Cal or AZ for an overall record of 8-4.

Substitute Washington for BYU/Pitt, and we are right about where is to be expected for our first year in the PAC 12. Granted there are two games left that we could blow, but we will be favored in both.

If you take away the USC game, as a game where the Trojans made one more play than the Utes, the other games could be attributed to turnovers. Hayes, alone, has 9 TOs all by himself in Utah’s 3 other losses. Obviously the coaching staff has put more on shoulders of White and the OL, while chewing the D a new one after some apparent divisiveness was starting to creep into the locker room. I loved Whittingham’s quote about to the defense “If you don’t want to lose, then shut them out or shut your mouths.” BRILLIANT.

Now I just wonder what the Utes could have done with a healthy Wynn under center for the entire year. But if he had been there, would White have emerged in such fashion? Overall a fantastic job at keeping the team together and keeping the team playing hard and for something. The Utes are still, mathematically, in the hunt for a South Division title.

I thought we would go 8-4 with Wynn. I admit, I was starting to have doubts about weather we could beat teams without a serviceable D1 QB under center. The coaches adjusted and scaled down the offense to help Hayes and it’s paid off. The Utes are bowl eligible once again with two games to go. Great job.

by UteinBrooklyn on Nov 15, 2011 8:17 PM MST reply actions  

Coaching Staff

      Utah’s staff is full of great coaches. These are guys that care about the (off the field) lives of their guys and have created a family atmosphere for the team. Oh yeah, and they develop talent like nobody else in the country. Look at Eric Weddle, he came to Utah as a chubby no named corner. Little bit of Utah coaching combined with raw talent and desire to get better and a few years later, he’s one of the highest payed safeties in the NFL. Coincidence, don’t think so. We continually grab underrated, undervalued guys and turn them into gold.
        For the other comments on this board, yes this team has a very young and inexperienced feel to it. Next year we will reload and even bring a lot of guys back who will have had the experience of this season and be able to lead and motivate, and get guys fired up and ready to rock and roll. What does that mean for the Pac 12 in 2012?………..BAD NEWS!!!!
        While focused on the season at hand(because that’s what all of us good Utah fans are supposed to say) I can’t wait to see next year’s team do battle. Cheers to The Bad News Utes!!!

by What Made The Red Man Red? on Nov 15, 2011 10:22 PM MST reply actions  

I say this respectfully

But I think that this year is light years below what Coach Whitt did with the team in 08. May I remind everyone that we are in a year that is witnessing Coach Whittinghams greatest mistake: Jon hays. Now I like hays as a person, but this kid probably would struggle to start at Southern Utah University. That right there mucks things up for me. Now, granted, coach Whitt has done a remarkable job with hays’ limited ability. But you’re telling me that this year is a more impressive coaching job to you than what he did at Ann arbor? Tcu? Byu? Out-coaching Saban?? Jazzy, I agree with you 99.9% of the time, but I’m going to hold off on this one. Impressive? Yes. Best ever? Not quite.

by Oregon Ute on Nov 16, 2011 12:11 AM MST via mobile reply actions  

I'll take that point

2008 was about taking a good group of guys, and turning them great. The talking heads gave Utah a little love that season, they admitted Utah was good, but never wanted to concede they were great. And really, as fans, before the TCU game, did we want to put Utah as the best team in the nation that year? I knew the team had a lot of heart, desire, and an adamant work-ethic, and I knew that would carry them far, but not necessarily to the top. I felt they were Top 10, maybe Top 5, but to emphatically declare them #1? I wouldn’t have risked it. I figured the Sugar Bowl would be a tight game, but I was absolutely shell-shocked after the first quarter. And I’d wager most Ute fans felt similar.

2011 is more the story of salvaging something to make it respectable. It’s about making a mistake, admitting it, and then trying to fix it. Whether or not Whitt & Co have “fixed” it depends on your definition, but their ability to adapt to circumstances has been brilliant, if a little slower than what the fans were hoping for. Despite the roadblocks the team has encountered, they’re looking pretty good right now. Granted, teams that get better throughout the season seem to be a Whitt trademark.

2008 was about the little team that could, 2011 is about the comeback kid. We’ve seen both these movies before. At this point it’s like arguing whether Rocky I, Rocky II, or Rocky III is the best. ;)

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Nov 16, 2011 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

CHOW

I’d give a lot more credit to Chow. The offense is functionable now.

by uteswim1988 on Nov 16, 2011 8:18 AM MST reply actions  

I'm with you

And said as much at the top of this thread.

Chow was said to be washed up. Even more so a big knock against chow was that he doesn’t adjust his game plan.

He has called some masterful games this season, even before Wynn went down.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 16, 2011 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

But most importantly

He won the Chow Bowl! Wooooooooooo

by scotty256 on Nov 16, 2011 6:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Offense vs. Defense

Baylor has a great offense but can’t stop anybody on defense. Agreed that would be a great game

by utahmanami on Nov 16, 2011 5:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Whit is awesome, but...

Somebody has probably already said this but recruiting depth in anticipation of injury is an important part of coaching. I love Whit. I think he’s one of the 10 best coaches in the country, but he didn’t do a great job recruiting a backup qb in case Wynn went down. He has done a great job with what he has, but he should have prepared better. That being said, I expected this to be a down year. I predicted an 8-4 season, and that looks possible. The defense has been awesome. Go Utes!

by QuackAttackUte on Nov 16, 2011 1:41 PM MST reply actions  

Why no close games?

In looking at every game this season I could not help but wonder why there were no close games (with obvious exception of Usc, which will always be a 3 point game in my mind) this year so far? We were either blown out or beat the other team handily. Just wondering if anyone had thoughts.

by notblue19 on Nov 16, 2011 2:27 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

Turnovers and one flat defensive day

We have had four losses.

     USC was a game that featured good play by both sides and an experienced QB, which led to a close game.

     Arizona State and Washington were about a brand new quarterback who couldn’t handle the speed of the game, a coaching staff who hadn’t yet put into place a plan to protect him, and other players who didn’t provide the support Hays needed. This led to turnovers and a consequent blowout.

      Cal is looking more and more like a fluke. The Defense was tired of holding up the offense which couldn’t do anything, and the O hadn’t found its stride.

That explains it to me!

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 16, 2011 2:48 PM MST up reply actions  

good summary of our losses

I recall during the Washington game how twice we turned the ball over inside their 20. Then they got the FG to go up 10-7 after some stupid 15 yard personal foul. I was so eager for the second half to start so we could get after the Huskies, but instead #9 came out under center.

The announcers didn’t notice and neither did the Utah crowd I was watching the game with. I had to blink twice and wondered what in the world was gong on. But once Hays came out for a second series, I knew we were in big trouble as the defense can’t keep coming out there time and time again after no offensive first downs.

I am glad however that instead of spiraling completely down the toilet and not winning a single game in the Pac-12, we are now at least competing for something meaningful.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 16, 2011 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

The Wynn pick vs. Washington hurt most i think

It felt like the offense was moving the ball so well than Wynn just throws it to the other team. I still don’t know who Wynn was throwing the ball to on that play.

by utahmanami on Nov 16, 2011 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

If memory serves (and I think it does)...

Both turnovers in the second quarter against Washington weren’t just inside the 20, they were inside the 10. Even worse. Second, it wasn’t just one personal foul, I believe it was two…

by BetterasIgetolder on Nov 16, 2011 5:52 PM MST up reply actions  

For the Record

I noticed immediately it was Hays not Wynn. I then spent the rest of the 3rd quarter and the first few minutes on the 4th trying to get a data connection at RES (nearly impossible) to try and find out WTF.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 17, 2011 7:15 AM MST up reply actions  

I was lucky...

I did get connected to twitter and found out it was a pretty bad injury. That definitely dampened the mood and I was out of the game the remainder of it. :(

by JazzyUte on Nov 17, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Nothing about Ute basketball tonight vs. Boise?

Or we all just expecting the worst and don’t want to talk about it

by utahmanami on Nov 16, 2011 5:42 PM MST reply actions  

I predict

we’ll be down 26-3 by halftime just for kicks

by PanchoUte on Nov 16, 2011 5:44 PM MST up reply actions  

You aren't that far off.

Our b-ball team is getting killed. We can’t shoot worth a lick.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 16, 2011 7:30 PM MST up reply actions  

Sorry, I've been sick...

Haven’t been able to do much except sleep. I threw up a token post-game thread, tho!

by JazzyUte on Nov 16, 2011 8:04 PM MST up reply actions  

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