Utes' bowl situation taking shape...
by JazzyUte on Nov 21, 2011 9:31 PM MST
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PrintIt's November 22nd and Utah still has an outside chance at playing in the Rose Bowl.
That's something none of us thought possible back in October after the Utes opened Pac-12 play 0-4 and were looking at the New Mexico Bowl - if any bowl at all.
Well since, Utah's bowl situation has definitely become more rosy, even if it's unlikely the Utes will be playing in Pasadena to start the new year.
But we're a long way from Albuquerque and that ain't bad.
So, where will Utah end up? That's still undecided, but with Utah's strong play the last few weeks, USC's sanctions and Arizona State's shockingly bad collapse, it's possible the Utes have now played their way into the Alamo Bowl - a bowl once thought to be a near-lock for the Sun Devils just a mere few weeks ago.
Utah might not be on the level of the team they're predicted to play (it could be Oklahoma) should they punch their ticket to San Antonio, however, there is a three million dollar payout, so I'm sure they'll happily accept, even if the odds are stacked against a victory.
If it's not the Alamo, most other pundits believe Utah will be playing in the Holiday Bowl this year. Maybe against Baylor.
That pays less than the Alamo Bowl, but offers up a closer trip for Utah fans and still a solid Big 12 opponent. Thanks to Washington's downfall, who at one point was 6-2 on the season and a very attractive option for that bowl game, the Utes are in good position, if not taken by the Alamo Bowl, to be spending their holidays in beautiful San Diego, California.
Not bad.
This is what is so utterly fantastic right now. Utah football is looking at, for the moment anyway, no worse than the Holiday Bowl, with a strong chance at the Alamo and even a slight chance, though let's not even entertain the thought, at the Rose.
Last year, once the BCS dreams were crushed, the best bowl Utah could hope for was the Las Vegas Bowl, which actually produced a decent opponent, but only because Boise State fell to Nevada late in the season. Had the Broncos won and it's likely that Utah would've faced a MAC team.
Yawner.
And that's even without mentioning the Sun Bowl. It's still a possible destination for Utah.
I know some here don't like the thought of playing a game in El Paso - but the bowl itself pays well, gives us a solid BCS opponent and is still one of the better known bowl games around.
So, right now, Utah's bowl situation is still muddled. But it's looking less and less likely they're off Vegas or San Francisco to play some non-BCS team.
I'll take it.
What bowl do you want (and I'll leave out the obvious Rose Bowl option)?
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Holiday Bowl
If Utah went to the Holiday Bowl, I’d guess 35,000 plus fans would go. More family things than going to the Alamo Bowl. How many would you think?
Personally, would love the Sun Bowl
That way my wife is happy that we can see her family while we’re there. Assuming we don’t make it to the Rose Bowl, the Alamo Bowl scares me. Who are our possible opponents? I would hope to play Kansas State and would be deathly afraid of playing OU. Baylor is right in the middle, I’m not worried about their defense, but would we be able to stop RG3?
I think were forgetting the Whittingham magic
Is this team as good as the ‘04 or ’08 teams? No. But we are good at playing with the underdog mentality. There aren’t a lot of teams that scare me with the Wolfman, Ute’s defense, and Coach Whitt and Co. I’m just thrilled that no matter what happens we cant go to a bad bowl game!
I live and die on Saturday's
by P-NutUte on Nov 21, 2011 9:45 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah, I was just coming here to say this
If Utah wants more money, cheer for two Pac-12 BCS bids.
Oh, and as a trade-off for not getting the full payout of the bowl, the conference gives you allowances based on your travel requirements, ticket requirements, and hotel accommodations. In other words, go for the best location, not the best pay (meaning for Utah, San Antonio and San Diego = fun, El Paso and Las Vegas = not so much).
Vegas is a dump.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 8:35 AM MST up reply actions
Glitziest hole in the world
Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."
Sort-of-daily sort-of-funny sort-of-thoughts at danoftheday.com
Where do you guys stay when you're here?
Sure, my town has a lot of problems, but you must be staying on Boulder or Northtown if the word that comes to mind is “dump” or “hole”. Scary? Sure. Bad parts? Absolutely. But some of the world’s best hotels are here, and even off-strip you can find great rooms, great amenities, and not bad prices (i.e. Red Rock or the Mariott). Sure, if you’re staying in Palace Station you’re going to feel like it’s a hole. Pay the extra $20, you’ll feel differently.
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Nov 22, 2011 11:51 AM MST up reply actions
never seen a part of vegas I like
sorry, nothing personal, just not my scene.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
What do you like?
I’m not taking it personally, I grew up in Utah, I’m just having trouble understanding. If you like nice hotels, Vegas has a ton of them. You like more nature-oriented areas, Vegas has a ton of those as well. Want to stay in a place with a more small-town feel, Boulder City is right up the road. Art, music, shows, comedy, etc. You tell me what you like, I can find it in Vegas.
Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.
by displacedute on Nov 22, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
hmmmm
not sure where I have stayed, but i guess i have been to the wrong spots.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 12:17 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed...I love Vegas!
Do you guys not like good food, gambling, entertainment, shopping?
I’d much rather go to Vegas than San Antonio…and don’t get me started on El Paso again :-)
…I understand that a lot of this is backlash from the stigma of playing in the Vegas Bowl…after years of giving BYU shit about that being the best bowl they’ve ever been in…and them countering by saying it’s the best bowl we’d ever see in the Pac12…
…but Vegas itself is a lot of fun.
I love Vegas, but only for a few nights...then I'm good.
by everclearute on Nov 22, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed...
More than a few nights & you’ve got cancer, a couple STD’s, need an angioplasty, & have lost all of your money.
I like playing in a couple of poker tournaments, but then I’m done.
Love the food though. So many good places to eat…
I don't think cancer is what you think it is...
I’m not a big fan of Vegas, and I’ve spent time staying in its best hotels, et cetera. I loved it when I was in my early-to-mid twenties and spent a fair amount of time there. To be frank, though, I think I’ve just grown out of it.
What I don't like
Is the gambling. I’m not LDS or opposed to gambling morally, but the people who are there remind me of the drug addicts I spent a few years working with during my under-grad. Sad, and lonely, and desperate. It’s the gambling vibe I can’t take.
I know not all gamblers are addicted, and I’ve been known to bet a few enchiladas on a Utah game (my friend still owes me two nights out for Alabama), but I feel like Vegas preys on people.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 22, 2011 2:54 PM MST up reply actions
Cheering for 2 Pac-12 bids.
If Stanford can beat the Irish, the Pac-12 should receive two BCS bids.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 22, 2011 9:32 AM MST up reply actions
AND
We get a slice of that pie. =D
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 22, 2011 11:02 AM MST up reply actions
Different bowls make different arrangements/provisions
depending on their partners.
The Sun Bowl and El Paso gets an undeserved bad rap because the city isn’t “glitzy”, but is a good bunch as far as how they treat their visitors.
Las Vegas is, ahem, less so.
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Holiday Bowl
The Utes will put double the amount of fans in the stands at a game in San Diego, simply based on proximity and the number of alumni in So Cal.
The Holiday Bowl may be a better match up for us too. I like the streak we are on, but let’s not lose perspective. We still have an unthreatening passing game for the most part. And really our three best wins, in order, are BYU, UCLA, and Pitt. Obviously, the Utes have corrected the TO problem and given themselves a sporting chance. If a team can stack the box…
If we played Oklahoma, it could get real ugly. I’d rather have a W than a marquee match up. Who knows, could have both. Texas could wind up in the Holiday Bowl. We shall see.
bahh no faith,
I like OU, lets take those punks on! I believe in our team. Unity! When we are a severe underdog that is when we play our best. You guys are posting same crap that you all posted before Alabama in 08’. Believe in your team!
by SladerExtra on Nov 22, 2011 12:33 AM MST up reply actions
We believe in jon hays!
ok we probably need him to hit the gym or something to improve his arm strength. but yeah, I believe!
Speak for yourself.
I don’t believe in Jon Hays for one second. Jon Hays is still a bad QB.
I DO however believe in Coach Whit, and Coach Chow not to put Hays in a situation where he HAS to win the game.
all things considered
His numbers an play weren’t half bad last week. We probably could have used a little bit more hays…
by motes on Nov 22, 2011 11:03 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
And Yet...
…Every single time he took a snap and didn’t immediately hand it to White, I suffered through Heart Palpitations, and was sure he was going to turn it over. That’s not exactly believing in the guy.
I also know I’m not the only one.
I love this team but...
We are quite predictable on offense. A strong run defense would salivate at a match up with the Utes because we are so one-dimensional.
I think we have a good team but consider this… Look at the USC game. With a good QB we were a FG away from going into OT against, what has turned out to be, a top-10 opponent. Without a good QB, we did go into OT against a 4-win Washington State team.
That is obviously very simplistic and I give a tons of respect to the Utes, coaches and Jon Hays for showing so much heart and poise to be able to right the ship.
The point is, the offense can’t apply the same type of pressure that the defense can. And the defense can only be expected to do so much.
by UteinBrooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 8:28 AM MST up reply actions
Wynn a good QB??
That is very questionable. We were a FG away only because our defense kept giving the ball back to Wynn(5 seperate possessions in the 4th quarter i believe) and the offense still sputtered just about every time…they didn’t do anything until the final possession which would have taken a long fg just to send it to OT.
Yes Wynn is a good QB
The beginning of the season he had to adjust how he threw and adjust to the shoulder. But he was also playing very smart.
Wynn is a very good QB. And he’s definitely the best QB currently on our roster. His big issue is health.
You think having faith in the b-ball team is going to produce a lot of wins this year?
And to your message of believing in your team… At what point is subjective analysis based on facts, results, and potential mach-ups more reasonable, than the faith and belief as you would subscribe?
Wouldn’t you look at a Colorado fan an idiot, if he was spouting off about the Buffaloes curb stomping the Utes? Macho bravado is all good, but little facts like-the worst run defense, worst scoring defense, worst red zone defense, no road wins in 4-years, etc. would get in the way of a sound conclusion. Obviously CU could win. Stranger things have happened and that is why they play the game, but I wouldn’t bet any money on it.
I will always root for Utah, and am not a fair weather fan, but I’m also not a rah-rah cheerleader type. Sometimes the match-up favors an opponent. I can accept that. Can’t win them all. No one does. Sometime there are upsets, too. That is what makes the game fun to watch.
by UteinBrooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 8:44 AM MST up reply actions
Having faith doesn't mean your team is going to win.
All I am saying is lets not worry about who we draw on our bowl game this year, hell bring on LSU! Lets let the game decide who is the better team, don’t go around posting “oh I would rather have Utah state in a bowl game because we can win that one.” I believe if our Utes study film and mentally prepare they can beat ANYBODY! Jon Hays and all.
by SladerExtra on Nov 22, 2011 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
I think public perception matters...and that's why some fans (myself included), want a "win-able" match-up...
Sure, there’s a point when who you beat doesn’t matter…we’re all aware of that *cough*MWC*cough*…
…but getting blown up by a superior team makes you look bad, and the top 4 in the Big12 would probably eat our lunch…
…but when you get to #5 in the Big12, those are games we can win, but still give us an uptick in our profile. A win vs. Missou, Texas A&M, Texas…will all reflect well on us, and might even get us into the back end of the top 25.
…and we need to be thinking about next year. We need to finish the season on a strong note, to get ranked pre-season…and to be in the conversation for the National Championship.
I know I’m dreaming big here, but it’s possible if the stars align, and the first step is going to be in winning our bowl game.
Id love to see us in the Holiday or Alamo bowls.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 7:25 AM MST reply actions
Congrats.
Congrats on your first year in a big boy conference. It’s alot harder then it looks on T.V. However, the SEC is going to win the BCS Championship again.
SEC, SEC, SEC.
by Bisquick_in_da_MGM on Nov 22, 2011 11:27 AM MST reply actions
only because east coast media hypes them to hell before season starts..
come out west and play a game against us once in a while? eh SEC?
by SladerExtra on Nov 22, 2011 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah...
They did. Kinda creamed Oregon. I hate the SEC and all their crazy fans, but man are they STACKED in the West this year.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 22, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions
East Texas is NOT "out west." That game was played 7 hours from Baton Rouge.
I’m talking about the real west, where people can spell and opossum is not a delicacy. (Generally. Wyoming and Idaho don’t count. I won’t be held responsible for them.)
Proof inbreading makes strong football players.
by H2O_UTE on Nov 22, 2011 11:44 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 11:47 AM MST up reply actions
And the put breading on everything down South.
Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.
by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 22, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
he's right, sorta
Well, the Pac-12 schools with the exception of Cal, USC, Stanford and Utah did not do very well out of conference.
Oregon lost to LSU
UCLA lost to Texas and Houston
ASU lost to Illinois
AU lost to Okie Lite
UW lost to Neb
OSU lost to Sacramento State and Wisconsin
WSU lost to SDSU
That being said, most of the SEC schools played CREAMPUFFS out of conference. And big mighty division leading Georgia got crushed by Boise State.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 22, 2011 12:11 PM MST up reply actions
Sorta?
You beat Wash. St. in overtime!! Maybe you will be better this week and beat Col. in the last min. of the game.
by Bisquick_in_da_MGM on Nov 22, 2011 1:05 PM MST up reply actions
Auburn was down 10 points to a 5-5 WAC team with 3 1/2 minutes to go...
Arkansas only beat Troy (3-7) by 10 points.
South Carolina only beat Navy (4-7) by 3 points.
Georgia only beat Vanderbilt (5-6) by 5 points, and Tennessee (5-6) by 8.
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Let’s not get in a pissing match.
Keep in mind, I do think the SEC is the toughest conference in the nation.
…but I do think it would help public perception if more schools in the SEC “cross-pollinated” with other BCS conference schools in the OOC.
LSU did a good job of that this year (Oregon, WVU), but most of the SEC plays one tough OOC (if that), and the rest are cream-puffs…and that’s what gets the Pac12 riled up.
We don’t have that extra OOC cream-puff to make a team look stronger based on W/L. Washington St. is no worse than Miss St., Tennessee, Vandy…but they don’t get that extra win under their belt…so people trash Wazzu, even though they would still be bowl eligible if the Pac12 played an 8 game conference schedule instead of a 9 game.
Hell, Utah might be 8-3 & ranked right now with a 4 game OOC schedule that compared to the SEC.
Middy, as an Oregon fan, I am impressed by your ability to employ traditional Pac10 rhetoric at a moments notice. You are on the ball!
I don't mean to impose...
Anyone West of the Continental Divide is aware of SEC scheduling tendencies...
Utah fans especially so after the ’08 season.
The unfortunate thing is that they keep winning the NC game, so it’s hard to argue with public perception.
I just wish we only had an 8 game conference schedule, but I understand the reasoning for it.
Continental Divide?
The Mississippi River, surely?
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
I was pushing for further West...
I think even in places like Texas, Oklahoma, Iowa…poor OOC scheduling & 8 game conference schedules are the norm.
Ah, I was talking more on OOC difficulty
Not the number of them.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
B10, B12...have weak OOC...
Big12 not as much this year, since they’re playing 9 conference games…but when they were a 12 team conference, the OOC was generally on the soft side.
Ex. 2010
Texas…Rice, Wyoming, UCLA, Florida Atlantic
OkSt…Wazzu, Troy, Tulsa, Louisiana-Lafayette
Texas A&M…Stephen F. Austin, La Tech, FIU, Arkansas
…you get the idea…
…and the Big10 is just as bad…
Ex. 2011…
Michigan St…Youngstown St., Florida Atlantic, Notre Dame, Central Michigan
Wisconsin…UNLV, Oregon St., Northern Illinois, South Dakota
Michigan…Western Michigan, Notre Dame, Eastern Michigan, SDSU
…although “kudos” to them for scheduling MWC teams…which are about as hard as a Big East school…
Bad as B1G and B12 OOC are
SEC is still far worse on average.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
a preemptive ban might be in order
he just joined SBN last week. looks like he joins blogs randomly and has trolled them all….
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
Ok. I'll leave you guys alone untill bowl time.
I was just giving you some grief. I even agreed to not have a pissing contest with you. But, you guys don’t know how to take it yet. Have fun.
by Bisquick_in_da_MGM on Nov 22, 2011 1:55 PM MST up reply actions
Nice how you totally glossed over my post but I expect that from a SEC fan.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 22, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions
Not all were creampuffs.
I will agree that some teams played were not the best. However, here is a list of schools that the SEC teams played that I would consider better oppoinets.
Boise State, Oregon, Brigham Young, Penn State, Cincinnati, UConn, Louisville, Navy, West Va., Texas A&M, Army, Ga. Tech, Clemson, and Wake Forrest.
So, yeah. The SEC doesn’t play other conferences. I get it. But, you do see how hard it is to play in a better conference when even the bad teams can play you for 4 quarters. I’m waiting on TCU and Boise to get the message.
by Bisquick_in_da_MGM on Nov 22, 2011 1:37 PM MST up reply actions
Llike I said, I think the SEC will win the NCS.
But as the middy_U said it would be nice to see more cross pollination.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 22, 2011 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
It's ok guys.
Next year y’all will win one more game and then the next year y’all will win one more game. But whenever USC gets off of probation, it’s over. Your going to be 3rd or so for a very long time. You wanted to be in the circus. Enjoy the ride.
by Bisquick_in_da_MGM on Nov 22, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions
how is the pokemon trading card game treating you?
have you caught them all yet?
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 1:50 PM MST up reply actions
Looking at the match-ups....
Alamo pits Pac12 #2 vs. Big 12 #3 (Kansas St.)
Holiday pits Pac12 #3 vs. Big12 #5 (Missouri)
I think Oklahoma is going to upset OkSt…giving OkSt, K-St, & Oklahoma identical records, but with K-St having lost to both OkSt & Oklahoma…they will get the Alamo bid.
…I think Baylor wins out, giving them the #4 seed, but they do have 2 games, with one of them being Texas…so they could slip to #5.
So we have Missouri, Texas A&M, Texas, and Iowa St. all theoretically in the hunt for the #5 spot.
I believe the #5 spot will end up with Missouri, as they only have Kansas left on the schedule…and Missouri is a very “win-able” game.
Texas A&M just has Texas left, if they win, they could be selected over Missouri…but they lost to Missou, so they’re likely out.
Texas plays A&M, and Baylor…I don’t see them doing better than a 1-1 split…so they’re out.
Iowa St. has Oklahoma & K-St. left…so they’re out.
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Now everything shifts one place up if the BCS takes two Big12 teams…but if they do, I think that the Pac12 is only a 1 bid conference in that case, so that will also shift Utah down to the Holiday bowl.
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I prefer the Holiday Bowl for the match-up and the distance to travel (looked it up online last night…22 hours to San Antonio, 11 to San Diego). I really wish Washington hadn’t lost, because it really looks like we’re pretty much locked into the Alamo Bowl if we win vs. Colorado & Stanford + Oregon win out, giving the conference 2 AQ teams.
...and BTW, I think Utah could beat whomever the B10 Rose Bowl representative is...
…except Michigan…or Wisconsin :-)
...which I guess means that I think Utah could beat Michigan St.
No way Penn St. beats Wisconsin with the mess that program is now.
Utah could beat Michigan IMO
I’ve seen them play twice this year. I honestly think that Utah could contain their offense and their defense, though it has looked better this year, is still not very good.
thanks for the great
breakdown.
Looks like some good potential matchups in there. I like our chances in an alamo bowl matchup against K-State. And I think that if Okie state beats boomer sooner (which I think they will), then the big-12 only gets one BCS entrant. I think the sooners blew their chances against Baylor.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 12:53 PM MST up reply actions
K-St would be interesting...
Barely beat Eastern Kentucky to start the year…(10-7)
Close game vs. a very average Miami (28-24)
1 point win vs. Baylor (36-35)
1 TD win vs. Missou & Texas Tech (24-17, 41-34)
OT win over TamU (53-50)
4 point win over a not so good Texas (17-13)
…yeah, I think we could beat them. Here’s keeping my fingers crossed…hope they get it done vs. Iowa St.
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I think Baylor would kill us though…as it stands right now, Baylor will be in the 3 spot if Oklahoma loses to OkSt. and Baylor wins out.
Numbers
Looking at national NCCA stats on some of these teams and match ups with Utah. I listed their dominant offensive category (pass or run) and how they defend the run (our dominant).
The results were kind of surprising:
Utah- 20 in scoring defense, 9 in run defense, 84 pass defense, 71 scoring off, 79 run off.
Baylor- 111 in scoring defense, 94 in run defense, 11 in scoring offense, 5 in pass offense
Missouri- 53 in scoring defense, 50 in run defense, 31 in scoring offense, 11 in run offense
KSU- 73 in scoring defense, 29 in run defense, 29 in scoring offense, 31 in run offense
Texas- 26 in scoring defense, 8 in run defense, 53 in scoring offense, 15 in run offense
by UteinBrooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
does anyone in the big 12 play defense?
by khaostheory117 on Nov 22, 2011 4:50 PM MST up reply actions
A B12 Defense
Is not unlike an SEC Offense. Both conferences tout their respective side of the ball, and often that’s because there’s little to nothing on the other side.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
K State has a really good run Defense but are pretty poor against prolific throwing offenses
I’m a Ute first and without question but after having lived close to K State for 3 years I’m a fan of theirs as well. They are certainly not an elite team but the QB is a Tebow type in terms of really good running ability and workable passing ability. They are explosive on special teams and have a nice front 7. The Secondary isn’t slow and is reasonably talented but they have been absolutely worked by some good passing offenses this year.
Personally I want Texas
Their main strength is running the ball, which our defense would shut down. And how much fun would it be to tweak the TDS that not only did we crush them 54-10, but we beat Texas, and they didn’t.
I'm not sure that Texas would be a possibility...
If Texas wins out, they’re 8-4, tied with Baylor, but would have the head to head with Baylor, putting Baylor in the #5 slot.
Texas can rise no higher than #4…unless Oklahoma melts down & loses both games to finish the season.
If Texas goes 1-1 beating Baylor, finishes 7-5, Missouri beat them, and that would make Missou the #5 & Texas the #6.
If Texas goes 1-1 beating Texas A&M, finishes 7-5, Missouri beat them, TamU beat them…that would make Missou the #5, TamU #6, & Texas the #7.
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I’m not sure if conference standings matter to their selection process…
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…and again, there is a slight possibility that the B12 gets 2 schools, and that shifts everyone up a slot, so in that case, Texas becomes more of a Alamo/Holiday Bowl possibility…
Like most bowls, conference standings don’t matter for the Holiday Bowl. If they have a choice between Mizzou and Texas, they’ll take Texas.
We actually travel really well
And I think the new Pac-12 guy vs. the established BCS team has some TV cache.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 22, 2011 3:24 PM MST up reply actions
Nothing, really...
They took Arizona last year.
But I think Utah is a far more attractive option because they travel well and they’ll have, presuming they win Friday, a better record than those three schools.
add
to that the fact taht we are on an upward swing and as Ted Miller pointed out, no one will want to bring in a team that is strongly considering firing their coach. Washington, cal, UCLA, and Az. State will all come in limping to the finish line more or less.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 3:33 PM MST up reply actions
Nothing actually.
Nothing precludes any bowl from selecting the worst team. Bowl selections are based on many factors. Quality of team is actually not at the top of the list.
There are a few exceptions
Some bowls must take the conference champion, like the Rose Bowl. And the conference office will sometimes apply pressure to prevent it from being to farcical (like taking a 6–6 team over a 10–2 conference runner-up.)
But you are missing the most important thing
Big XII #4 does not equal the 4th best team in the Big XII. It means the 4th selection. I guarantee Texas is more appealing than a 5th selection or lower.
In theory...wouldn't the Alamo take Texas then?
Even if they finish 7-5? Tell me who is more “attractive” than Texas in the Big12?
What portion of bowl payout does utah get to keep
by kodiek on Nov 22, 2011 1:42 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Earlier someone had said equal revenue share for all Pac12 schools...
So it really doesn’t matter which bowl we go to…what increases our take is if the Pac12 gets 2 BCS bowls.
Yes. It's equal revenue
Divided equally amongst all the schools in the conference. We don’t get the money from the TV deal (because they made that deal before we got there), but we do get money from the Bowls. If Stanford and Oregon each go BCS, that’s going to be a big chunk of change… like that new athletic center big.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 22, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Is bowl money part of the tiered finances that Utah doesn't get this season?
Or was that just tv money.
The payout for a BCS bowl minus the payout for the New Mexico Bowl (since that will go un-filled)
divided 12 ways.
Its why it is to everyone’s advantage to get Stanford another at-large BCS berth.
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Each school gets to reimburse their own expenditures for their bowl from the payout (at a rate determined by the Pac-12).
The remainder is then thrown into the conference pot and divided equally (after the conference takes a share).
A 2nd BCS bowl is ~$6MM in additional funds for the conference, after all expenses for the bowl trip and the conference cut, each school stands to receive in the neighborhood of $400M.
I don't mean to impose...
Now that we're all friends.
Everyone please pray for Arky to beat LSU.
by Bisquick_in_da_MGM on Nov 22, 2011 2:52 PM MST reply actions
I'm rooting for Auburn
more than anyone in that conference. I don’t want to have to watch Bama miss a half a dozen field goals in the NCG.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 22, 2011 3:00 PM MST up reply actions
Come on guys.
We need Bama to win, win the SEC, and go to the BSCNCG. I took my wife, an Auburn grad., to the NC last year. It was lots of fun. I didn’t get to go when Bama won in the Rose Bowl. I did see Utah go up and down the field on Bama at the Sugar Bowl. Yes, I really was there. This might be the last time that anyone from the State will get to go to the NC. I’ve been to all the BSC bowls except for the Rose. The Sugar Bowl is that best by far because it’s in New Orleans. Sure, I’m going to go even if Bama is number 2, but it’s not the same. Come on guys.
by Bisquick_in_da_MGM on Nov 22, 2011 3:08 PM MST up reply actions
he is a troll.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 22, 2011 3:34 PM MST up reply actions
I'm not even watching the NCG if it's SEC v. SEC
Totally serious. ZERO interest.
by scotty256 on Nov 22, 2011 3:37 PM MST up reply actions 4 recs
Me either...
Could you imagine if Alabama won, tho? LOL
I can tell you, LSU fans DO NOT want a rematch. They’ve already proven they can beat the Tide. This ain’t no best of series!
I don't care who wins in Arky/LSU
But that snake Saban needs to lose the Iron Bowl badly.
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Because +1 just isn’t enough.
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by RedJaron on Nov 23, 2011 12:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the best part
Of the Sugar Bowl was tearing Saban a new one. He was unbelievably disrespectful to the Utes.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 23, 2011 5:21 PM MST up reply actions
I want to see if someone can knock off an SEC team, not watch a division rivalry. I saw the first round, but have no interest in a repeat.
by UteinBrooklyn on Nov 22, 2011 4:20 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
What portion of bowl payout does utah get to keep
by kodiek on Nov 22, 2011 5:14 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Yep..phone posted it twice for some reason
by kodiek on Nov 22, 2011 11:00 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Tin foil hats prevent double-posting?
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A little late, but I wanted to say congrats on the win last weekend
I’m still not over it, but that has nothing to do with how your team played. That was the funnest loss I have ever seen, though equally heartbreaking.
Good luck the rest of the way.
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by B-Lot tailgater on Nov 23, 2011 10:08 AM MST reply actions
Your guys showed a lot of heart.
Twice punched in the mouth late in the game & twice got right back up & punched us back…
You deserve a bowl game, I’m sure you’d win…which is why we should play 4 OOC games :-)
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