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Hard to imagine it'll ever get easier than that...

It was the perfect storm. 

USC, saddled with sanctions, was ineligible to play for the conference championship.

Arizona State, a month ago thought to be a shoe-in as Pac-12 South champs, saw an improbable collapse - losing to UCLA, Washington State and California - which opened the door for Utah to claim a spot in the inaugural Pac-12 championship. 

The Bruins, who somehow played their way into the picture, fell badly to rival USC. 

All the Utes had to do was beat, at home, a 2-10 Colorado team that hadn't won on the road since 2007. 

Easy as pie.

Nope.

Everything fell into place for the Utes to win the division and put themselves in position to play for a Rose Bowl berth. 

When every other team ahead of them buckled heading into the final month of the season, Utah was flourishing, which was remarkable considering their 0-4 start. They had the division gift wrapped and handed to them on a golden platter. 

And what did they do with it? They stumbled badly and face-planted in front of the whole party. 

Embarrassing.

This was as easy as it was going to get for the Utes and they couldn't get it done. 

Maybe it's for the best. Maybe we didn't deserve to have it handed to us like that. Maybe this will be a wake up call to the team that every opponent, no matter how bad, should be taken seriously. This isn't the Mountain West. You can't overlook a two-win team solely because you think you'll beat them.

Utah laid an egg in a huge game that could have really pushed the program forward. It is what it is. They blew it and they have no one to blame but themselves. 

So now we move on, regroup for the bowl game, and hopefully learn from every mistake made Friday night - and to be clear, there were a lot. 

That's all you can do.

Maybe next year, we'll be worthy, because they certainly weren't this season. 

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I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.

College football over the NFL any day. College basketball way over the NBA any day. Go Orange. Go Utes. Go Kings. Go Dodgers.

by OrangeUte on Nov 27, 2011 12:33 AM MST reply actions  

Well...

at least we now have something to base our rebooted rivalry with Colorado on. I officially count them as a rival now. They ruined our chance for glory in our first Pac-12 season. These are types of things that make a rivalry relevant. I guarantee that every Utah coach and player will have that Colorado game next November circled. I am actually glad that the NBA is actually going to have a season (albeit only 66 games) this year. It will give me something to distract myself from how badly we blew our chance this season AND how unbelievably horrible my beloved Utah Utes men’s basketball team is.

by pappyman on Nov 27, 2011 12:43 AM MST reply actions  

The NBA is the only thing keeping me sane right now...

If they had cancelled the season, I would’ve taken out an entire mall.

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 12:46 AM MST up reply actions  

"They" ruined nothing for us

idk…. I just can’t hate on them. I’m actually happy for CU, because they broke their road record. I don’t really have any ill-will. Although they are our “rivals”…

We were out played and out coached. Good for CU. I don’t see any reason to take that personally against them. (although the CU guys at the bar who kept laughing in our face were kind of assholes, but I can understand since they were so excited about breaking their road streak)

Time to regroup. Prepare for our bowl game. And pile past games together to rewatch since we’re about to have another 9 month break until football…..

by Doxastic on Nov 27, 2011 11:17 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

As much as we put it on the football field...

Many rivalries seem to get their start from the fanbases feeling towards eachother. The game feeds off the fan emotions, and the fan emotions feed off the game. Your experience with Colorado fans does not seem unique. They did the same thing on here, I heard stories from Facebook, and had other friends with negative interactions with them. In my opinion their fans, more than the victory, are fueling the beginning of a rivalry.

by notblue19 on Nov 27, 2011 12:13 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Most painful loss since...

Ande Miller’s senior year, the Utes lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament as a #2 seed to Miami, Ohio. I didn’t have any illusions of winning the tournament, but a sweet 16 was expected and an elite 8 would have been a solid year. Utah has only made it to the sweet 16, once, since.

Going 8-4 and playing for a Rose Bowl in the 1st ever PAC-12 Championship would have been an amazing finish to this year. Losing to a team that you’re favored to beat, when such a rarely attained prize is on the line, makes the sting so much worse. This loss is going to hurt for a while.

by UteinBrooklyn on Nov 27, 2011 1:07 AM MST reply actions  

It's devastating...

Probably the most devastating loss the football team has experienced since falling to New Mexico in ’94.

I just hope the team can bounce back and do well in the bowl game.

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 1:23 AM MST up reply actions  

at least we didn't have to witness new mexico in person..

i’m baffled how poor we’ve played at home this season, two blowouts vs. teams whose conference records combined = .500 and a chokejob vs. a bottomfeeder. pretty god damn amazing if i must say so myself. I don’t expect anyone to take us serious. well i’d be surprised if they did after that TCU crap. that game put us in a funk we’ve yet to get out of.

by utahmanami on Nov 27, 2011 1:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I say TCU hurt worse...

The Utes were flying high, in the hunt for the nc, and the fanbase bought the hype. REC was as loud as I have ever heard it to start a game. And we did not just lose we were exposed and embarrassed. That loss popped the bubble of the team, and the fans in a way that stuck with them all season. This was a missed opportunity when the stars had aligned. The Utes were upset, but we all know its because they played a garbage game, not because they were overhyped or actual garbage.The Utes will learn and move on from this, and I anticipate they will do well in their bowl game. Just my opinion.

by notblue19 on Nov 27, 2011 5:33 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Sorry can't agree with that.

The UNM loss was much worse than this. Last Year’s TCU loss was much worse than this. There were a few BYU losses much worse than this. Heck the 27-0 UNLV loss felt much worse than this.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 27, 2011 4:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Disagree with your disagreement...

Maybe UNM – but the other options don’t stack up. For starters, TCU was a very good team that just steamrolled us – we had no chance in that game, even playing flawlessly. In the end, we were not nearly as good as we thought we were and it was proven two other times that season (getting trounced by an average ND team, barely beating an average BYU team on a miracle and getting trounced by BSU).

Nothing was really lost with that TCU game because it’s hard to imagine a scenario where Utah wins. It’s only bad when you realize what could’ve been – but there was no ’could’ve’ with that team. TCU was going to win that game ten times out of ten and Utah was not going to be playing in the BCS that year.

This game was far different. Not only should Utah have won, the win would’ve, with everything that happened Friday night and Saturday night, put Utah in the Pac-12 title game – a game away from the Rose Bowl.

Sure, you could say the Utes would’ve gotten rolled by Oregon, but in the end, it’s hard to imagine an easier path to the title game.

USC is back. Arizona just made a phenomenal hire. Colorado is on the uptick. ASU has to improve and so should UCLA. The Pac-12 South is going to be tough in the coming years and it’s not impossible to imagine they fail to reach that point again next season and maybe even the season after that,

It’s damning because a lot was lost. Nothing has ever been lost in our defeats to BYU. When Utah lost to BYU in ‘09, it didn’t end a chance to win the conference championship or play for the Rose Bowl, or to win a division or to play for a far better bowl game. When Utah lost to BYU in ’07 and ’06, the only thing it did was put another L in the loss column – nothing more.

This loss kept us from a conference championship game. This loss came against a 2-10 team. This loss came at home (where we finished 3-3 this season…yuck). This loss hurt us big-time all things considered.

Nothing can compare to this – no losses to BYU or even the UNLV debacle – because, at the time of those losses, a win didn’t assure us of anything. A win Friday would have, as we found out, assured Utah a spot in the Pac-12 title game…in their first season in the conference.

As I said in my first post, you’re not going to find an easier path to the title game than that.

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Even if we had no chance...

Nobody, and I mean nobody would have believed it before the game. The Utes vs the Horned Frogs was the premier ticket in the country that day. College gameday was there, many analyst picked Utah. Fans were so excited, it was being billed as the biggest and most important game in Utah history. I believed that either way it went the outcome was going to be close. After the Pitt game it felt like this was a special year, the likes of 04, and 08. Then the curb stomping happened. The Utes did not deserve to be on the football field that day. That loss completely demoralized the team for the rest of the year. This loss sucked. We were heavily favored and blew it. This team had already shown it was resilient enough to bounce back from losses. Good enough to compete in a BCS conference, and after Wynn went down, we all figured they would be mediocre at best. The loss to CU did not make me believe that everything I had known about this team was wrong. Many people felt they had another bad game in them. The missed opportunity sucked, but the Utes had needed a ton of luck to even get that shot. Thier luck ran out, and little more. If they have a solid performance in a bowl game, all of a sudden nobody will remember this loss and we will be talking about competing for the south next year. A top level embarrasment on espn, should not be compared to the worst team in the Pac 12, beating a mediocre Pac 12 school. Also everyone keeps talking about USC coming back like its a bad thing. The Utes signed up so that they could face tough competition, and have a real guage for the quality of the team. So I am glad USC is back next year, so that there will be no excuses.

by notblue19 on Nov 27, 2011 5:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I believed it...

Didn’t make it so, tho.

This is different. Utah should have won. Colorado might have played inspired and tough and obviously their coaches out-coached ours, but in the end, we were 7-4, winners of four-straight, at home and still couldn’t get it done with everything on the line.

My point stands: Utah didn’t technically lose anything after that TCU loss because there still was nothing to be gained, even with a victory. Had they won, there was still a season left to be played and then we could’ve looked back at that game as the Biggest Ever in Program History.

But they lost, so it’s all moot. They got their butts handed to them by a far superior team it became clear that, no matter how much we hoped, a BCS season was not possible for that team. That’s the difference. All Utah had to do was beat an inferior team Friday night and they would’ve slid into the Pac-12 South title game.

That’s not happening now. Instead, we’re forced to watch UCLA, who we easily beat, play for a berth in the Rose Bowl.

TCU was a bad loss, no doubt about it, but it didn’t cost Utah anything – they still had games left to be played and proved, after that debacle, they still weren’t near as good as we thought they were.

The fact is, I don’t know if Utah will ever find an easier path to the Pac-12 title again. Maybe next year they earn it on their own, so there’s that – but right now, we blew a huge chance to sell the program in positive light to recruiters, cause it sounds hella good to tell a recruit, “hey, we got to the Pac-12 championship game in OUR FIRST YEAR, imagine what we’ll do in future years…”

It also killed momentum heading into a bowl game, it brought us back down to reality, gave us a losing conference record (first time since McBride’s final season), dropped us to an inexcusable 3-3 at home and left many fans questioning if this team is as close as we thought we were.

I hope we are and maybe next year, we win the South on our own and I’ll happily look back at this loss as nothing more than a hiccup along the way.

But, right now, that’s a mighty big if.

So yes, I think this loss was far more devastating to the program than TCU last year, because a BCS bowl wasn’t there for the taking in ‘10 – we still had to beat a top-three team, win on the road against a tough Notre Dame team and do it again a week later against an improving SDSU team. I never felt the BCS was in our grasps quite like I felt the Pac-12 championship game was prior to Friday’s debacle.

That leaves far more what ifs – especially if we’re stuck playing TCU in the Las Vegas Bowl.

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 6:14 PM MST up reply actions  

So you found it more plausible

That we’d beat Colorado, Then Beat a top 10 Oregon, or top 5 Stanford on the road, than it was for us to beat TCU at home last year, and then beat Notre Dame, and win out.

Seems to be last year’s BCS Bowl was more plausible than this years.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 27, 2011 6:42 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't think you read what I said...

I never said we’d beat Oregon. In fact, I said it was unlikely. I was only talking about reaching the Pac-12 title game and putting ourselves one game away from the Rose Bowl.

We lost a huge opportunity Friday. I don’t think, all things considered, we lost anything after the TCU loss, except our pride.

But Friday, we even lost that!

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 7:02 PM MST up reply actions  

Then in all honesty

We lost as much Friday as we lost against TCU.

Even had we beat Colorado, we were playing for the Pac-12 Title. Great, but in all honesty it was a long shot, and the most likely outcome would have been a loss, probably a bad, and most likely a Sun or Holiday bowl invite (Losing Teams in Conference Championships typically take a hit in bowl possibilities). Hey look that’s right where we are now.

So just like against TCU last year, the loss, while officially knocking us out of BCS contention, didn’t do much to our actual bowl projections, while had we won, we still had a LOT of work to do.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 28, 2011 8:17 AM MST up reply actions  

The game just left me speechless - I was disappointed with EVERYONE

Coleman’s misses – particularly his second chip shot
Hays for getting sacked twice instead of throwing the ball away… ever.
Conroy Black or Mo Lee (Can’t remember which) getting the penalty the third down stop
Our D-Line for never getting to the QB – And allowing him to run way too much
Our secondary for falling asleep 3-4 times and allowing big plays
Our O-Line and John White for not absolutely dominating in the 1st half
Our entire Offense for doing nothing the 1st half
Vakapuna’s fumble
Our three players who almost recovered the onside kick
Hays in general – His passes were abysmal the whole game
So many injuries (Not really a grievance with the players, but situational)

Any one of those things made a difference of 3 points in the game, independently and mutually exclusive of each other. The same perfect storm that combined to get us into the PAC-12 championship seemed to simultaneously combine to keep us out. very sad. I am mad at Coleman for missing the FGs, but no more than those other grievances throughout the game. I can’t even blame the refs, they actually did an adequate job, possibly even giving us some favors throughout.

Maybe my only compliment is for Devonte Christopher, who really put himself on the line down the stretch on the final drive. Made some great plays. Him going out hurt really bad.

Worst finish to a season that I can remember in a very long time, probably since the Kaneshiro FG or the Harline pass. This really ranks right up there.

by jim2 on Nov 27, 2011 1:47 AM MST reply actions  

Harline play I thought would be the worst finish ever at home..

I sit in the south end zone and watching that play happen in front of me was probably the ugliest moment I had to witness as a fan and I didn’t want to have that feeling again…. I don’t know but both watching the Peterson field goal misses from the same spot feel just as bad considering what was on the line.

by utahmanami on Nov 27, 2011 2:12 AM MST up reply actions  

I am a new Ute.

Just moved here to attend The U from the East coast, so I’m not huge on the history.

Would you mind filling me in on what happened with Harline?

by Mercury on Nov 27, 2011 2:22 AM MST up reply actions  

Ugh...if you insist!

Picture, Rice-Eccles Stadium, 2006.

BYU had entered the game already locking up the Mountain West title. They were 9-2 and Utah was 7-4 – with some god-awful losses (blowouts to UCLA, Boise, Wyoming and a heart breaker against the Lobos after leading by two scores at the half). No one gave the Utes a chance. No one. It was a pretty hefty point spread, and BYU was playing fantastic football entering the season (they had won something like eight straight and hadn’t lost since early in the season).

Anyway, the Cougars jumped out to an early 14-0 lead before Whittingham faked a punt (or a FG, I can’t remember) that really sparked the team and led to a mini-rally at the end of the first half (the Ute trailed, I believe 14-10). In the third quarter, Utah actually took the lead and held it for most the game, until, late in the game, BYU regained it and led 24-27, I think, with maybe less than five minutes to go in the game.

Well Utah put together a fantastic drive. I believe they even picked up a fourth down that they NEEDED to keep the drive going. They moved the ball down field and Ratliff found Casteel on a quick touchdown pass with a bit less than a minute left in the game.

Utah led 31-27.

BYU had a few timeouts and methodically moved the ball down the field. They were aided by a key pass interference call made it deep into Utah territory. With hardly any time left on the clock, John Beck snapped the ball, scrambled for an eternity and eventually found Harline open in the back of the end zone for the game-winning touchdown with no time left on the clock.

Utah was a few seconds away from pulling the biggest upset since ’88.

It was a devastating defeat because Utah left it all on the field. No one gave them a chance and they had the game won at the very end. Crushing.

I might’ve gotten some of the things wrong in that recap, because I’ve tried to forget the game, but the general story is right – Utah seized the lead with about a minute left, BYU marched down field and, with no time on the clock, scored a touchdown to win the game.

GAH

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 2:34 AM MST up reply actions  

Not huge but you kinda forget the guy that was supposed to be covering the left side of the field decided to blitz after Beck scrambling for 7+ seconds and it cost them

by PhuckthePhillies on Nov 27, 2011 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

This is also the beginning of Utah fan's disdain of the Prevent defense

Kyle decided to run a prevent in hope that we just contain Beck, and keep the ball out of the endzone. And a prevent in the redzone should put too many DBs in the backfield for Beck to throw to.

But it didn’t work. And ever since then, if you ever see the Prevent defense come out, most Ute fans will start screaming in fear/hate, because of that play.

by Doxastic on Nov 27, 2011 11:24 AM MST up reply actions  

That's awful

Especially against BYU…

…but I do think that this may be worse. We were playing for something (a much bigger something) this time and we were 20.5 point favorites the last time I had checked. By all means, objectively speaking, our winning the PAC-12 South would’ve been flukey, but it still was what it was.

All I can say is, again, I’m glad the Jazz are back.

As a first year Ute, this team REALLY disappointed me. Oregon State, UCLA and Arizona were our only “good games”.

by Mercury on Nov 27, 2011 12:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Well actually

The USC game was good too.

Looking at what kind of team they are today, we put up just as good of a fight as freaking Oregon.

by Mercury on Nov 27, 2011 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I agree with this, but this was the worst since the Harline pass

And the second worst since the Kaneshiro FG.

It falls in the same league as those two in any case. Bottom 3 finishes to a Utah football season in the past 20-30 years.

by jim2 on Nov 27, 2011 10:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Sickening in every single aspect

Now that ASU and UCLA lost, this is so much harder to take. It’s just so disgusting on so many levels.

Now, a shout out to the Utes for all they didn’t do right:

-Big ups to Kyle Whittingham for twice (gutlessly) opting to punt on 4th-and-1 when Colorado went for it on 4th-and-4 inside the 30 and converted.

-Props to Coleman Petersen for not knowing how to get mentally focused. Once he missed the 26-yarder, he was absolutely worthless for the rest of the game. Whitt should have known in the final 60 seconds that going to the damaged Petersen was NOT an option.

-Props to Whittingham for NOT remembering the USC game. In the Coliseum, instead of taking one shot at the end zone (and the win), he played ultra conservatively for the tying FG in the game’s waning seconds. Of course, USC blocked it and won the game. It seems Whittingham completely forgot about that vs. Colorado when he gutlessly dumped the ball off to Vakapuna on 3rd-and-17 and instructed him to fall to the turf in the middle of the field to set up his distracted kicker, who still had the 26-yard shank dancing around his head.

-Shout out to John Cullen and the RG who replaced Brenner, who both allowed a sack on Hays around the Colo 25 at the end of the game. The first resulted in a fumble and the second resulted in a 6 yard loss. Not the best moves, considering they were trying to get in FG position.

-Props to the kicker, who can’t pick up a football. The onside kick bounced perfectly from the turf and into his hands. But apparently, kickers don’t ever practice CATCHING the ball. Absolutely unacceptable, and absolutely disgusting.

-Big ups to the fans in the north end zone (and those on the canon), who apparently can’t tell whether a FG is good. Both fooled me on the final play, when they reacted like we tied the game. Since I was sitting in the East stands, I didn’t know the kick was no good until I saw the refs waving it off.

-Shout out to Mo Lee, who is singlehandedly responsible for 7 of Colorado’s points. We really appreciate that unnecessary roughness show of idiocy on CU’s first dive. Sure it was 3rd down, and sure we stopped them, and sure it would’ve prevented that TD they went on to score… but we realize that you just really HAD to deliver that final hit to show you’re toughness. Ppreciate that.

-Shout to Jon Hays and Harvey Langi, who apparently practice running into each other on handoffs.

Finally, MAJOR props to the Utah defense… allegedly the Pac 12’s top-rated defense… for not stopping the league’s worst team. Every bit as anemic and inept as Utah’s offense, Colorado looked like a running & passing powerhouse against you guys. Hansen looked like a Heisman candidate and their RB looked like LaMichael James out there. I’d love to know exactly why it looked like you guys DIDN’T CARE, for the entire game.

We were all treated to a sickening and nauseating display of football on Friday. And that nausea continued through Saturday when we saw ASU and UCLA lay down. If a spot in the inaugural Pac 12 Title Game isn’t enough motivation for you to beat the worst team in the conference, then you guys are indeed a totally lost cause. If you guys can’t beat a team that hasn’t won a road game in 4 years… at your home stadium (where you strung together a recent streak of 20+ consecutive wins) then God help you all in the bowl game.

Jon Hays sucks bad. Coleman Petersen is a head case. The offensive line is as porous as Swiss cheese. And the entire coaching staff has totally failed to inspire this team.

What an achievement it would’ve been, to WIN the Pac 12 South in your very first year as a BCS program… with a backup QB. Utah’s resiliency would’ve been on full display next week on Fox national TV @ Oregon, and millions around the nation would’ve been talking about how this tough team from Salt Lake City really does deserve to be in the BCS.

Instead, now, all anyone (who even bothers to look) will do is laugh and point and joke about how embarrassing it must be to lose at home to such a completely road-impotent program like Colorado.

Congratulations on the EPIC choke job, Utes. Here’s hoping that in 2012 you take your status as a Pac 12 program more seriously.

by TomahawkRed on Nov 27, 2011 1:53 AM MST reply actions  

The North endzone fans fooled me twice as well.

I failed to mention them in my laundry list of grievances.

I hear you though. Feel the exact same way that about 12-13 things combined to make us lose. Any one of them not happening (Sans the North Endzone fans) probably makes the difference in the game.

The only player I’m not upset at this game is Brenner.

I even felt like the fans brought it. That stadium was LOUD, the whole game. Colorado had half a dozen false starts, many of them key, and we still gave them the game in the end.

by jim2 on Nov 27, 2011 10:47 AM MST up reply actions  

BigBenSportsGuy had this one right...

This is not a very good team, and the idea of them playing in the Pac12 CCG is a joke. Still, I’d much rather watch Utah getting slaughtered in the CCG than UCLA.

To quote what I wrote earlier:

“Whitt’s remarks before the season about "feeling comfortable" going into the Pac 12 were a red flag. No head coach—or coordinator, or assistant, or player—should be "feeling comfortable" going into/during a season… especially when it’s your inaugural Pac-12 season. Complacency breeds mediocrity. This program needs a fire its belly, every goddamn game. It should never be satisfied, it should never be "comfortable". It needs to desire continual improvement. Without that, you get games like this. A game that wasn’t as close as the score suggests. If CU had a better offense or a tougher defense, it would’ve been a blowout. No excuses. Either you want to win, or you don’t.”

I’m all for cutting Utah slack due to injuries, but injuries don’t account for the lack of drive, grit and determination evident in many of this team’s performances. This is nothing new. It’s been Utah’s Achilles heel during Whitt’s tenure. There were at least six games this year (probably more) where Whittingham didn’t have his team fired up and ready to play. This team often plays lackadaisical, like they’re satisfied with mediocrity. That ain’t gonna cut it. They’re not good enough to take days off. They don’t have the talent or skill to be arrogant, smug or overconfident; but, apparently, with Whitt at the helm, these are the kinds of performances we’ll be seeing from time to time. KW’s resume is littered with performances like the CU game.

Let’s face it, Utah will always be an also-ran in the recruiting race, the talent level will never quite be on par with the “elite”, so they need a lagniappe (a little something extra). They need to carry a huge chip and an even larger amount of desire. I’m calling it now, Utah will be a perennial 6,7,8 win team unless Whitt rediscovers (or maybe just discovers) some passion and can instill it into his players & coaches every game, or we find a Chris Peterson.

by -FeloniousMonk on Nov 27, 2011 6:10 AM MST reply actions  

Pregame Rituals

Most teams and players have them, whether its wearing the same shirt or hat before or during the game or eating the same pregame meal. It can serve as a way to focus on the task at hand. Clemson has Howard’s rock, the Domers touch the "Play Like A Champion Today’ sign as they leave the locker room. “COLORADO 17 UTAH 14” needs to be plasterd on the wall in the locker room to remind the coaches and players to never, EVER take an opponent lightly.

by Damage Inc. on Nov 27, 2011 8:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Not a bad Idea

If the memories of blowouts to Notre Dame, TCU, and Boise last year, along with all the losses this year, don’t motivate them, I guess they need something more physical to remind them.

by MechEUte on Nov 27, 2011 10:28 AM MST up reply actions  

Good luck

With that. We will never have the balls to make a change at HC. Much less force him into hiring a real QB coach and a new safeties coach. I love BJ and Scalley, but I am not sure they are ready to coach at this level. Our safeties got burnt the most in this game, and our QB can’t find or hit an open receiver, seemed like Hays can never hit a guy in stride. He was bailed out by the receivers so often it has made people think he has potential.
He does not, once again we will be depending on Wynn to stay healthy. When reading the recruiting reports why are we not trying to bring in more than 2 QB’s. Hansen will leave on a mission and won’t play for 3 years. Wilson will likely redshirt. So next year it will be Wynn (glass shoulders), Hays (sucks), and Shreveport who we didn’t even have faith in to see if he was a gamer or not. Next year USC wins the div and conference and we will be fighting for the middle.

by BBKiks on Nov 27, 2011 9:39 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

QB's

I hope im wrong, or i misunderstood, but i think i saw a interview where Whitt stated he felt good about the QB’s going into next year…Wynn and Hayes will be back he stated and so recruiting in that area was less an issue to them!
I obviously do not know enough but seems to me that is unfavorable to us going into next season with the same QB issues as this year!

by UTErabidfan on Nov 27, 2011 11:09 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I wouldn't feel comfortable with those QBs on the intramural team.

Hays is not a PAC-12 QB and Jordan Wynn can’t be trusted anymore. You put your team on the (bubblegum and duct-tape fastened) shoulder of Jordan Wynn and when he goes down, you’re screwed.

Why do we have depth at every position other than the most important position on the field?

by Mercury on Nov 27, 2011 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

whoa whoa whoa

Wynn can’t be trusted anymore? He’s one hell of a smart QB. We all know his health is a big worry but to say he can’t be trusted anymore is ridiculous.

by khaostheory117 on Nov 27, 2011 1:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Because being smart is all that matters?

Which teams were better after World War 2?

SEC or Ivy League?

Come on. Intelligence means jack squat in college football and JaMarcus Russell and Vince Young have my back on that one all day.

Jordan Wynn has had two major shoulder surgeries in less than a year’s span, and when he DID play this year, his arm had the strength of overcooked linguini. Don’t even get me started on his lack of accuracy.

Jordan was good, not great, in 2010, and we simply can’t put this program on his back if we want to compete in a real division like the PAC-12. Show me a quarterback who has had two shoulder surgeries within months of each other and come back 100% (which, quite frankly, wasn’t great to begin with). The fact that the injuries were to separate shoulders is just another testament to his overall fragility.

Look, Jordan had a nice run, but it’s time to move on. Even if we stick with him, who do we have behind him when he graduates next year? I’ll give you a hint: he’s probably balancing a straw on his nose in the Union as I type this.

If we don’t look for a new quarterback or commit to one of the younger nobodies (not meant as an insult to them—I’d be the happiest guy in the world if one them could come out of nowhere and surprise me) now, we have no one left.

I don’t know about you, but if not trusting Jordan anymore and looking elsewhere prevents us from becoming the PAC-12’s version of UNLV, then I’m all for it.

by Mercury on Nov 27, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

Intelligence means squat at the college level? are you fucking kidding me?

Tell that to Kellen Moore, Case Keenum, Peyton Manning, and many others. Intelligence means a lot at any level of football. Sheer freakish athleticism only gets you so far.

Also the sec vs ivy league is a flawed argument, you simply have to look at how they each value to sport to see why one has been more successful than the other. The ivy league banned postseason participation in football while the sec embraces it greatly. The ivy league is fine with playing at the fcs level while sec teams pour tons of money into football and they do anything to succeed even if it means crossing the line at times. The ivy league could care less about succeeding in football despite the rich tradition those schools built in the early days of the sport.

We all know the risks involved with Wynn’s health but that’s no reason to overlook the fact that he has the skills to be able to thrive. You bring up his arm strength this year which is a valid point but how do you think you would feel just getting back into the rhythm of things right after major surgery. He had little time to rebuild the strength he once had and adjust his motion to where it needed to be. This new injury is luckily on his non throwing arm which should give him plenty of time to rebuild his arm strength and get his motion correct. He also will have more time to learn from Chow and to do whatever it takes for him to succeed.

Also do you not pay attention to recruiting at all? After Wynn graduates at the very least we’ll have Travis Wilson who is an elite 11 finalist and just got his team to the semi-finals (and is looking like they could win it all) after his high school hadn’t won a playoff game in nearly 5 years. Then there is Chase Hansen who will be back after a mission and just led Lone Peak to their first state title ever. Both are tall and have great mobility and heart. Beyond that the staff is working very hard to build our depth. We’ve already got 5 or so OL to commit, some great defensive pickups (including the 19th ranked corner in the nation out of high school), and some other fine pickups.

by khaostheory117 on Nov 27, 2011 4:10 PM MST up reply actions  

We have 2 more options next year.

Wynn is a good QB. Just think Brian Johnson, with 2 season ending injuries, came into his Sr. season and went 13-0, posting the greatest season in Utah history.

That said, Wynn has similar potential. He’s a good QB who makes good decisions (Minus some bad ones in the Washington game), and he is still starter caliber.

We also have 1 redshirt freshman from this year and the awesome Lone Peak QB coming in as a Freshman next year. Hays started this year because we had NO ONE in the back-up role. Now we have 2 viable options, without one of them being Hays.

Hays was our worst case scenario this year. He is our worst case scenario next year too, only difference is that we have a plan B and a plan C, where we didn’t this year.

by jim2 on Nov 27, 2011 3:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Don't forget about Travis Wilson coming in from California

San Clemente just made it to the semi finals after winning this weekend and they could possibly win it all. It had been 5 years since their last playoff victory before this season.

by khaostheory117 on Nov 27, 2011 4:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Actually very excited for Wynn to return...

I like the upside of the frail hipster QB. He reminds me of BJ in more ways than just injury paralells. I think that he is a clutch qb that runs the two minute as well as BJ. I truly believe that he would have found a way to win the USC game if the ball had been in his hands. His throws should be back to full power next year, as the injury was to his non throwing arm. Also, even though he has not been able to play, I still think that coming back as an experienced senior qb will be good for the whole team. Overall, Jordan Wynn, John White, Devonte Christopher, no John Cullen, this offense should be more than watchable next year, maybe even exciting.

by notblue19 on Nov 27, 2011 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

No John Cullen...

That made me chuckle. I wonder sometimes the influence Cullen had on others. He made more stupid mistakes than anyone on the team. I wonder though if he brought a fire that no one else had on the O-Line.

But you are right, on all counts. I think we are going to be much better next year. Our defense should be similarly good, hoping that Starr sticks around and doesn’t go pro (He definitely could if he wanted), and that Blechen goes back to his LB position, and that our young secondary improves a lot.

Things look better next year. I am optimistic, hoping that we don’t get decimated to injuries again.

by jim2 on Nov 28, 2011 3:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Does anyone know realistically what bowl we are going to?

Based on the Washington win yesterday I expect the Sun. At best we would go to the holiday?

by uteusmc on Nov 27, 2011 7:26 AM MST reply actions  

Don't be surprised if the Sun takes ASU...

Since Tempe is closer to El Paso than SLC.

Not saying they will (and I don’t think they will with their meltdown), but it could happen.

Worse case scenario…

1. Alamo takes Washington due to their victory and Utah’s bad, bad loss.

2. Holiday takes Cal because they’re the hotter team and San Diego is far closer to the Bay Area than SLC.

3. Sun takes ASU for the reasons I mentioned above…

4. Las Vegas decides they don’t want Utah because they played there last year, so they pick UCLA instead.

5. Utah drops all the way down to the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl where they’ll either play North Carolina or some WAC team.

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 1:06 PM MST up reply actions  

UCLA won't go bowling...

… and I don’t think that the “Utah was there last year” is actually all that big a problem – especially given the easy logistics for the traveling fan base. I’m betting you guys are going to Vegas.

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 27, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Doubtful...

Vegas doesn’t like Utah. They haven’t since the 2001 Vegas Bowl on Christmas Day. The director of the bowl, Tina Kunzer-Murphy, has been openly hostile toward Utah – even going as far as saying she was hoping for an upset in last year’s BYU-Utah game so that they could pick the Cougars over the Utes.

If they don’t have to pick us, they won’t.

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

I doubt ASU goes to the Sun Bowl

If I’m the Sun Bowl Committee, I am not inviting a team that lost 4 straight heading into the bowl and fired their coach (inevitable). More importantly for ticket sales, I wouldn’t want a team that won’t sell tickets (there were several thousand seats at Sun Devil Stadium on Friday). Utah seems like their best choice right now, because it’s a new venue for Utah and have shown they travel well.

by PanchoUte on Nov 27, 2011 3:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Worse loss ever

No doubt the Harline/BYU game and that OT loss down in Provo two years ago were painful, but this is worse. The ramificications of this lose are much greater than losing to TDS and losing a Vegas Bowl berth. The Utes could have been in the first PAC 12 Championship game. What a boom for recruiting that would have been even if the Ducks rolled us. This sucks. It wil take a lot to recover from this loss.

by utahmariner on Nov 27, 2011 8:51 AM MST reply actions  

Two Gameday Observations

1. I was in the stadium 2-1/2 hours early. Killed a couple hours sitting in the NEZ, watching warmups. A group of our players came out for a pre warm-up. The whole time they were tossing the ball around and working on blocks, it seemed like they were more interested in posturing, practicing touchdown dances and showing off tattoos than warming up for the biggest game of the season. Some of the guys on the team seem more obsessed with their hair (and good hair it is by NFL standards) than being hard-nosed ballers.

I’m not an aspiring professional athlete, so I’m not sure how much joking around is necessary to keep things loose before the game. In my field, a warmup is relaxed but focused. Seems like our guys came out less serious than during the snowy warmup for UCLA. The difference in intensity two hours before the game was obvious.

2. I watched Colorado’s kicker warm up. He methodically went through a series of kicks from every yard line on both hash marks. I don’t think he missed a single kick, and the long might have been from the 45 yard line. He seemed completely oblivious to other players warming up around and a few yards in front of him. I told a couple of people that I hoped he was the kind of player that gets nervous under pressure because he didn’t miss anything warming up. Fitting that he made the difference in the game.

While he was going about business practicing his kicks, our guys were doing the touchdown dance and pretending to be in the Superbowl . . .

Here’s hoping for a team change to business first. This is the attitude that impresses me most about Kyle Whittingham. I know firsthand that it is tough to get a bunch of 18-20 year olds to buy in to this philosophy when they have just made it to the big time.

If there is one positive, it is that we are less likely to lose Coach Whitt to the NFL this year.

by Salsabone on Nov 27, 2011 9:55 AM MST reply actions  

HIstory repeats itself....

This is one more way this feels like 2007.

Bad start, rash of serious season altering injuries to key people, very bad loss that looked like we dressed the cheerleaders grandmothers instead of our players, yet a streak of wins, but lost the rivalry game at the end.

Now, we need to get our Sh**t together, go play like this team can when they all focus, and win the bowl and the cycle will be complete.

I’m not saying next year will be a repeat of ‘08, but I see the possibility of improvement. Whoever we play in the PAC, if we are better prepared for the injuries, and have an offense that doesn’t require the D to play 3/4 the game and produce miracles, we can be competitive in this league. No giants here, nobody lightyears better than us just good teams top to bottom.

Now that we’ve seen the elephant, lets just put this in the scrapbook under "@#(%$W(& Buffs’ and come out and kick butt next year, like we know we can.

And I am all ready planning on Boulder next year when we pay back these gold and black bozos for keeping us out of the championship game.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. - Conan the Barbarian

by U of Uman on Nov 27, 2011 11:05 AM MST reply actions  

Why not next year?

I know right now we are in an angry haze, making it difficult to see past right now. I know people like to look at the now, and play it safe with predictions. What I am saying is I think people are underestimating next years potential. Yes, Usc is eligible next year, although I understand the Utes signed up to play in the Pac 12 even after the post season ban ended. This season was a down year, a year with a critical injury , and the Utes still had a winning record and a chance at the end. I think a healthy, more experienced team comes back next year and has a real shot to compete.

by notblue19 on Nov 27, 2011 12:04 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

We kick their butts here either way....

We’re gonna better and better prepared and it will be at RES. I have no fear of the Fighting Condums, Barkley or not.

Our secondary is a year older, Conroy is not there to make a dumb penalty, but Bechen is back.

I think we have a good shot at them regardless of who is the QB, especially at home.

What is best in life? To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women. - Conan the Barbarian

by U of Uman on Nov 27, 2011 1:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Even if Barkley comes back...

… they are losing studs in Nick Perry, Matt Kalil and TJ McDonald to name a few. Those aren’t small losses in spite of all the remaining talent (especially at WR, LB, and TE).

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Nov 27, 2011 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

This was a huge oppurtunity lost

I know USC has scholarship restrictions the next few years, but this may have been your best chance to make the title game for a while anyways. Until you start to change your recruiting to match teh other PAC schools its going to be tough to win the south division.

by Kazper on Nov 27, 2011 1:14 PM MST reply actions  

It would seem that the level of talent on the current roster...

D2 qb included, was enough to keep them in the upper muddled middle of the Pac. The difference is going to be experience, which teams achieve in cycles every couple of years.

by notblue19 on Nov 27, 2011 3:26 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I gotta admit Ted Miller made me chuckle a bit with this

“Utah, welcome to the Pac-12 way: Utah figured out that consistency is frowned upon in the Pac-12. The Utes, with their home loss to Colorado, figured out that it’s darn near required within the conference’s muddled middle that teams inexplicably face-plant at least once (or twice a year). So you have Cal getting bricked at UCLA, Arizona State throwing up on itself at Washington State, UCLA getting bombed at Arizona and Washington flopping at Oregon State. The Utes are typically great at home. Colorado had lost 24 in a row away from its home stadium. But logic doesn’t always rule in the Pac-12. The rule is inexplicable results are part of the conference’s annual tapestry.”

by khaostheory117 on Nov 27, 2011 2:18 PM MST reply actions  

we fit right in!! :-0

though asu takes the cake as the model of inconsistency:
wins vs. USC, Missouri, Utah
losses vs. Illinois, Arizona, Washington State, UCLA

by utahmanami on Nov 27, 2011 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Not enough credit

going to the Buffs here. A thing being missed here is that the Utes caught the Buffs getting healthy for the first time in a few months. Our record is 3-10, yes, but look at our schedule, then look at our injury situation, then multiply it by Dan Hawkins’ IQ.

More importantly though, the Buffs were the more mentally tough team. The Buffs have horrific depth, but enough playmakers here and there that, if the team is mentally strong, will cause problems. The difference Friday was that the Buffs remained mentally strong throughout an entire game on the road for the first time in a long time. If you look over the course of the now expired road streak, it became increasingly mental as it progressed. Early on in the streak, the Buffs went from being in games late against Alabama, Nebraska, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State and coming up just short… to likely starting to think that it would never end and getting blown out after the first initial punch to the face. So while the Buffs made enough errors (fumble out of endzone/no points on a red zone drive, countless O-Line penalties, missed wide open TD, INT) to give the game away (and also overcame an injury to its best RB), they didn’t implode when things got tight.

Good luck in your bowl game.

by BuffsFan99 on Nov 27, 2011 3:07 PM MST reply actions  

This is well written, with many valid points...

However, the harsh sting of missed opportunity remains.

by notblue19 on Nov 27, 2011 3:22 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I'm going to focus on Utah because this is a Utah blog...

I’m sure there is plenty of credit going out to Colorado over at Ralphie Report.

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Colorado definitely looked like the more motivated team

I agree with you whole-heartedly. Their O-Line played great, their QB made some key plays, especially that 4th down run. They really came out like they wanted it more, especially that opening drive.

That said, Utah sucked. Our starting QB, RB, Tight End, and safety were each gone to injuries, with their backups playing very key roles in breakdowns that enabled big plays for Colorado.

Hays sucked the whole game, can’t even isolate a play other than the last 2 and his inability to throw the ball away. Vacapuna’s fumble cost us big. Our Tight end being out eliminated the 10 yard passes up the middle – We had been doing that all year until he went out. Our safety went out, and notice the 2 big pass plays for CU where the guy was open by a solid 20 yards – Wouldn’t have happened with our starters in there.

So props on the win. But Utah definitely imploded in a historical way. Not even mentioning the 3 consecutive missed FGs.

by jim2 on Nov 27, 2011 3:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Turner Gill got fired. Utah QB coach?
Arizona State, a month ago thought to be a shoe-in as Pac-12 South champs, saw an improbable collapse…

Nope, that’s just ASU being ASU.

by Skeptical Dawg on Nov 27, 2011 6:08 PM MST reply actions  

I got slammed for suggesting that...

Especially after they beat USC. But I was not entirely convinced they wouldn’t collapse.

Then they did and I was shocked at how badly the collapse was.

Bah

by JazzyUte on Nov 27, 2011 7:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Erickson is out at ASU.

Just read that on ESPN.

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