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UTES ABOVE .500, BEAT ARIZONA IN TUCSON

How 'bout that?!? Utah football is above .500 and ONE GAME AWAY FROM A NINTH STRAIGHT BOWL BERTH! 

WOOHOO! LET'S ALL DANCE!

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Time to start scouting UCLA...

…this LSU/Alabama game is boring…

UCLA/ASU is on Vs. …in case you were wondering.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 8:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm watching...pulling for the Bruins...

Why? I don’t know, but Sun Devils just took the lead.

by JazzyUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Stupid Pitt lost...

Close game…that would have helped our case for being ranked if we win out.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Scary...more indicative of how bad that conference is.

…why Boise St. wants to go there is beyond me. There is no way they’re keeping their AQ status.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Especially with all the travel that'll be involved...

It becomes a worse conference if Connecticut and Louisville bolt for another BCS league (ACC, Big 12).

by JazzyUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anybody think the BE is dead?

Or will they hobble something together?
BYU?

by Salsabone on Nov 5, 2011 8:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think they'll pull in some C-USA teams, but what do they bring?

Can the league hold on to its BCS status if all their BCS teams leave?

Who’s now the elite football program in the BE (not counting BSU), Louisville, Connecticut, Rutgers or Cincinnati?

by JazzyUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

My fear is big lawsuits

BCS status could be the first lawsuit that takes down the system. Sucks, now that we are in.

by Salsabone on Nov 5, 2011 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nah

Utes are still better off in Pac even w/o BCS. SoCal access + money.

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know if there could be a lawsuit that takes down the BCS...

What would happen is the BCS leagues would just go form their own division.

by JazzyUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

You could be right.

Our batshit crazy legislators scare me into thinking that instead of taking care of business, they will waste state resources to take down the big-boy system of the BCS.

by Salsabone on Nov 5, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

the plus side of BCS

is that it does create some big games, even if the access is unequal. I think the UTES have proved that we can hang, but strength of schedule makes a huge difference.

gotta love the PAC-12

by Salsabone on Nov 5, 2011 8:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

except if you look at the whole picture

going after the bcs is hardly a waste of money. the insane amounts of money that would be brought in from a playoff system would be of great benefit to every school and with the way our economy is every bit of extra money is welcomed.

by khaostheory117 on Nov 5, 2011 8:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly...they'll survive as a conference...

…but they won’t keep AQ status. I don’t even think they’ll be stronger than the MWC.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 8:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

You know you're in trouble

when Louisville bolting makes you a weaker conference

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 8:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ranked? Seriously?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 5, 2011 10:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just like TCU against Wyoming...

Did you watch that one? The Frogs fumbled at least three times in Wyoming’s red zone…still won, but yeesh.

by JazzyUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're learning the answer is no.

A week after getting scared mightily by Air Force, the Broncos struggled for 3 quarters against UNLV. A legit #5 team shouldn’t be struggling to get a 14 point lead at the end of 3 against the Rebels.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 6, 2011 8:05 AM MST up reply actions  

If ASU wins...that's a joke.

Give them the time-out back…totally garbage. Reminds me of the USC/Utah game. Incompetent group.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think they got the call right in the end

If there’s no penalty because the play was dead, you can’t take a time-out to avoid the penalty run-off. Though the Pac-refs are up to their usual shenanigans for sure

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

little disappointed by your gif Jazzy

Up to now, all of them had me laughing out loud (even in the heart breaking losses and blowouts)…..oh well, better luck next time. :)

"Football isn't a contact sport; it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Vince Lombardi

by GambitUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:37 PM MDT reply actions  

To each his own ......

anyways great win tonight. Jon Hayes looked…..pretty good out there.

"Football isn't a contact sport; it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Vince Lombardi

by GambitUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

(tastes like vinegar coming out of my mouth)

"Football isn't a contact sport; it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Vince Lombardi

by GambitUte on Nov 5, 2011 8:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

UCLA

Looks like theyre going to take this Win

I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.

by Ute95 on Nov 5, 2011 8:44 PM MDT reply actions  

This is crazy

If UCLA wins Pac-12 South…. and pulls the Champ game upset….
We will be a bigger joke than the Big East

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Will never happen...

ASU is not as good as Stanford/Oregon.

Plus we’re beating them next week.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I've got a better scenario!

ASU implodes, and loses to Cal, WSU, and Arizona. They finish the season 4-5 in conference play. We win out, beating UCLA. They also lose to USC… finishing the season 5-4 in conference play. We win it, and have the head-to-head tiebreaker against UCLA at 5-4!

Then we get our asses handed to us by Stanford! Huzzah!

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 6, 2011 1:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Funny thing is

Cal, WSU, and Arizona are all loseable games for ASU (maybe a 10, 15% chance they lose all three?). It’s not actually outside the realm of possibility.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 6, 2011 1:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

We need to focus on UCLA more than anything

Neuheisel is going to want to prove he was right in the whole Chow escapade.

Plus that 6th win could very well be the difference between him having a job next year and the unemployment line. He’ll want to wrap that up as quickly as possible.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 6, 2011 8:06 AM MST up reply actions  

Great win...

Solid game plan… A well called game… Here’s hoping that Hays can keep it up… I think he officially has more TD’s than INT’s.

by BetterasIgetolder on Nov 5, 2011 8:46 PM MDT reply actions  

WTF JUST HAPPENED IN PASADENA

You guys need to beat them…. Save the Pac the embarrassment

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 8:57 PM MDT reply actions  

Certainly.... Glad to Oblige.

I just checked the script with Uncle Larry and that is what is planned.

by U of Uman on Nov 5, 2011 9:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

So if we had beaten Cal...

…and had only 3 losses…would we be in the hunt for the Pac-12 South?

I guess ASU would have the tie-breaker…so probably not…

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 8:58 PM MDT reply actions  

So if we beat UCLA

what does that make the pac-12 south title race look like? seems like we have the ability to really throw a wrench in things

by khaostheory117 on Nov 5, 2011 9:01 PM MDT reply actions  

ASU back in the driver seat...

UCLA is in the lead because both have 2 losses, but beat ASU for the tie-breaker…

…I don’t see another loss on ASU’s schedule.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

What do you mean?

Arizona >> UCLA > ASU
Therefore
Arizona >>> ASU
Right? Right? ;)

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

WAAAAAYYYY Longshot

But if we beat UCLA and then they lose to USC all we need is AZ state to drop one more and Utah is in. Our chances of playing in the Rose Bowl just went from 0% to 5% with UCLA’s win tonight

by utefandc on Nov 5, 2011 9:02 PM MDT reply actions  

It'd be close

but I’d lean no, given SoS this year

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah...we needed Pitt to show better, I think...

…but who knows how the lower half of the top 25 shakes out.

Care to speculate who we’d play in the Sun Bowl?

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

ACC #4

So maybe Georgia Tech or Florida State? That’d be cool. Or Wake Forest which would be meh.

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's dropping fast though...

Pitt lost, BYU is going down due to weak opponents…our opponents are soft going forward…

Plus, pollsters don’t give a crap about computers…they just see a Utah team with no wins vs. other top 25 teams.

We need our Sun Bowl opponent to be ranked…or to get sent to play TCU in Vegas, which I would love…

Notice how I’m already chalking it up for us winning out…I’m not over-confident or anything…

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 9:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's the nice thing about being independent

No one cares about you enough to call you out on your crap

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 9:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Do we really think

We’re one of the top 25 teams in the country? Top 50, sure… but there are 25 better teams than us.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 6, 2011 1:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our team may not be top 25

But The argument for the schedule we’ve played is there.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 6, 2011 8:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Fans can do that

Just as long as the players don’t, it’s all good

by scotty256 on Nov 5, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think anyone's confidence is that high

Just a little post game inebriation. I still think we drop one more when White has a bad night

by utefandc on Nov 5, 2011 9:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

Only if it's UCLA...

…and I don’t think their D is that great…42 in the first half against Arizona…

Washington St. is going to be a “dead man walking” when they get to us…as they’ll be eliminated from bowl eligibility…

…and Colorado is bad. If we lose to Colorado, it would be like losing to UNLV in 2007.

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 9:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

BYU does not lower our SOS!!! This is an example of why the SOS formula is worthless.

The SOS formula is faulty and manipulated. The heart of the SOS formula is the W/L record of your opponent.

  • When your opponent schedules guaranteed wins your SOS goes up.
  • When you schedule guaranteed wins your SOS goes down.

So Utah SOS is going up and BYU SOS is going down. This is because 2/3 of the SOS schedule is based on your direct opponents W/L record.

To further expand how a conference can manipulate the SOS formula, I will restate the above with reference to a conference… (pretend this is a 9 team conference that plays 8 conference games and 4 OOC games.)

Every conference will end up with a 50/50 win/loss record. For every conference win there is a conference loss. The Sun Belt Conference will fair exactly the same as the SEC when only counting conference games. Therefore, 100% of any SOS advantage is through OOC games.

Yet 2/3 of an individual teams SOS is from conference games. This is how the system can be cheated.
When a conference member schedules a guaranteed win then:

  • 8 conference members SOS goes up and
  • 1 (themself) SOS goes down.

Everyone looks at the small picture and thinks the team that scheduled the guaranteed win will have a lower SOS; however, nobody looks at the bigger picture to see that over the course of the season their SOS hit will be paid back with SOS gains many times over when they hit conference play.

Utah has the best deal of all. They play BYU who does not have the benefit of a conference to "pay them back" with SOS later in the season. Instead, BYU continues to play easy wins throughout the season helping Utah SOS better than anyone could hope for.

The stockings were hung by the chimney with care, In hopes that St Larry soon would be there. -Maji Man

by daedalus17 on Nov 6, 2011 10:43 AM MST up reply actions  

I was thinking that after UCLA destroyed Cal last week.

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

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by CrimsonUte on Nov 5, 2011 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Two thoughts about Az

Foles has a silky smooth play action.

It’s just too bad his WR’s are such pansies. I’ve never seen WR’s so quick to get out of bounds as the Wildcat WR’s are, and every route is designed to put them on the sideline so they can get out of bounds fast.

Do we know the extent of Criner’s injury? I’m not sure the extent, and hopefully it’s nothing serious, but his not playing in the 2nd half seemed sketchy to me. I could be wrong, especially since I don’t have any actual info.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 7, 2011 7:09 AM MST up reply actions  

That's right

They lost to the Illini not USC. I was thinking of a 4 way tie with each @ 4 losses. Assuming nobody was ranked in the BCS we had better OOC. But at that point I think they look at opponents records in the PAC. ASU wins that one with a win over USC

by utefandc on Nov 5, 2011 9:08 PM MDT reply actions  

Stupid ASU

How do you give up that long pass play when you know they are going deep, let’s make that loss look worse by beating UCLA. neuheisal(sp?) was already talking about the game next week, they are a hot team, but so are we, should be a great one!

by utahmanami on Nov 5, 2011 9:18 PM MDT reply actions  

btw does anyone think the UCLA QB is kind of a d-bag

he was yelling at his recceivers for his own mistakes. look like a hot head that’s for sure. let’s use that to our advantage defense!

by utahmanami on Nov 5, 2011 9:26 PM MDT reply actions  

The animated gif made me seriously miss 30 Rock

At least the season is just delayed, not cancelled. Last season though. Great show.

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

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by CrimsonUte on Nov 5, 2011 9:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Last season...really?

I love that show…why are they not making any more? It’s not like shows like Community are better / more deserving of a time slot…

by Middy_U on Nov 5, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I actually love Community too

Sounds to me like the actors are kind of done with 30 Rock and they want to quit while they’re ahead. A TV show is a big time commitment and some of them want to spend more time on movies.

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

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by CrimsonUte on Nov 5, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Utah Single Season Rushing Records

Does anyone know what the Utes single season rushing record is?

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 5, 2011 9:48 PM MDT reply actions  

Actually it looks like it was 1507

Meaning Blanco is 483 behind. It’ll be difficult to get there, but not impossible, He’ll need 161.3 per game to break it.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 6, 2011 8:30 AM MST up reply actions  

bowl game will count , no?

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Nov 6, 2011 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Assuming we make one, yes

And if so the 120.75 average is less than the 130+ he’s averaged over the last 4.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 6, 2011 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

If JWIV

Runs for 400 yards in the next 3… I can pretty much guarantee we’ll get a bowl game.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 6, 2011 8:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I realize those announcers...

were for the local U of A feed, but that had to be one of the worst called games I’ve ever listened to. They were terrible.

Just thankful the Utes won, and we were able to watch the game on TV. Could you guys see Craig Thompson going and fighting for a game to be on TV here locally like Larry Scott did?

It’s so nice to be in a real conference.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Nov 5, 2011 10:25 PM MDT reply actions  

San Jose State

That game wasn’t televised last year.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 5, 2011 10:49 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Arizona stadium is the quietest stadium I've ever heard

In the U section, we couldn’t believe how quiet the crowd was. It was a sad place to watch a game. They did, however, have a great HD jumbo screen.

by sraute on Nov 5, 2011 10:40 PM MDT reply actions  

Did you never go to an away game in the Mountain West?

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

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by CrimsonUte on Nov 7, 2011 8:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Just got back from the UCLA-ASU game

But I followed the Utah game on my smartphone.

Thank you JOHN HAYS, Norm Chow and Conroy Black.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 6, 2011 12:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Hays

Hays was one dropped pass away from 3 TD’s and no INT’s. I can’t wait for DVC to get back in rhythm. I still see Hays having one more bad game this season, but hopefully that’s paired with a good night for White. Hays’ accuracy is still a little subpar, but his decision making his much improved. Props to Byrd. National special teams player of the week for sure.

by jrj84105 on Nov 6, 2011 6:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

One more bad game?

I’m still waiting for something better than average from Hays. He’s yet to really play a good one, this was more him not playing a bad one.

And yea some of that could be attributed to drops. If DVC and Dres catch some of those drops it would possibly be considered a good game. Although that fumbled pass was so bad, it’s worth a downgrade of a couple spots on it’s own.

by UnHoly Ram on Nov 6, 2011 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

When we can move the ball offensively

obviously good things happen.

I thought we had very little chance against the U of A. Thinking with my heart I thought IF we could start off by throwing deep on them and execute (and we did) so as to keep them honest from stacking the box, our defense could somehow keep us in the game (and they did too, big THANK YOU to Conroy Black a guy I have been ragging on all season). I was praying for at least 27 points against the Wildcats and Nick Foles.

I don’t want to start gushing about Hays like I did with Coleman (he missed two big FGs), but our QB executed well this week and it is nice to see there is some upside potential.

I hope he keeps getting better and that the game speed keeps slowing down for him.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Nov 6, 2011 9:15 AM MST up reply actions  

To be fair

When comparing his performance in the UW, ASU, and Cal games, Hays has been playing well. Not at the level we may want, but from where he’s come from, yes I’ll call the last two weeks “good games” for him.

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Nov 6, 2011 12:04 PM MST up reply actions  

"him not playing a bad one"..

199 yards, on 12 completions, 2TD, 0 INT, 0 Fumbles, 1 Sacked…

Last week he “didnt play a bad one”.. this week he played “pretty solid”

by Pac12UoU on Nov 6, 2011 2:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d say this was a solid, good game from Hays. One more pass and he’s got 200; and he ran for a few solid yards as well.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 6, 2011 8:40 PM MST up reply actions  

I always believe in the Utes...

Just because I’m not blindly throwing my support behind them and thinking they’ll go 13-0 every season doesn’t change that.

by JazzyUte on Nov 6, 2011 12:37 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

You took the proper stance.

Everyone knows ASU is capable of melting down at any time.

Ducks GOOOOD. Fuskies BAAAAAD.

by BigGreenWreckingMachine on Nov 6, 2011 5:12 PM MST up reply actions  

very good game by the utes. to end the season with 5 straight wins would be nice

wazzou is starting to play lousy at the right time too.

Public Enemy #1 and enjoying every minute of it. Tapology. Peace.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 6, 2011 12:53 PM MST reply actions  

Great Game Utah! Turnovers killed us for sure

But Hays looks much better, no picks and the Utah D made timely plays! Hats off to Whitt and co. they def outcoached our motley squad. Hate to jinx anything but you guys should win out..8-4 would not be too shabby. Good luck the rest of the way out, i’ll be rooting for you!

by WildcatUte on Nov 6, 2011 6:57 PM MST reply actions  

So what bowl game you guys looking at playing this year? I would like you guys in the Kraft Bowl in SF so we could play you guys. #6 PAC team vs #1 WAC team if WAC gets 4 bowl eligible teams.

by WolfpackNev on Nov 7, 2011 12:53 AM MST reply actions  

Depends on how we finish, I guess...

The Pac-12 isn’t necessarily a stickler for using standings to decide who goes where. It’s possible Stanford gets into the NC game, which would then probably put Oregon in the Rose Bowl and ASU, if they win the South, in the Alamo Bowl, maybe Utah in the Holiday (though I bet Washington goes), depending on where they finish, or the Sun.

My guess:

8-4 – Holiday (unless Washington wins out, then the Huskies become a desirable option).
8-4 – Sun (if Washington goes to Holiday)
7-5 – Las Vegas (Assuming Cal isn’t selected and UCLA is that fifth loss)
7-5 – Kraft Hunger (Cal goes to Vegas instead)
6-6 – ?

I guess it’s possible, at 6-6, Utah goes to the New Mexico Bowl, but that only happens if Stanford/Oregon both aren’t in the BCS (and right now, even if Oregon wins this weekend, I think there is a good shot both play in the BCS). If the Ducks/Cardinal, like last year, play in BCS bowls, there won’t be a Pac-12 team available, since Utah, at 6-6, would be the last bowl eligible team (unlikely Washington State wins out and Oregon State, Arizona and Colorado have already too many losses to gain a bowl berth).

So it’s possible Utah gets to the Kraft and in fact, CFN projects them there, but playing USU (who I think Utah would beat pretty easily because their offensive strength, their run game, goes right up against our strength on defense – the run).

That could be possible if Utah loses once more this season, especially if that loss is to UCLA, who then becomes a potentially more desirable team, even if they lose to SC and finish 7-5.

If Utah beats UCLA, though, I think it’s very unlikely they drop that far unless they stumble against Washington State or Colorado (unlikely at the moment).

My guess, they’re looking at the Sun Bowl at the moment, but things can change in a hurry.

by JazzyUte on Nov 7, 2011 2:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Which funny, they have Nevada in the Potato Bowl in Boise against a MAC school. Poinsetta has first bid and Hawaii will go to its own bowl. If the WAC can get 4 bowl eligible teams the Kraft Bowl will pick Nevada because of last year which we brought 40k fans to.

by WolfpackNev on Nov 7, 2011 3:18 AM MST up reply actions  

To add to that the 3 WAC teams that will be eligible is:
Nevada
Hawaii
La Tech.
Utah State needs to win 3 out of 4 games. One of them is against Nevada. San Jose State is another candidate but they have to win their final 3 and the next one is against Utah State.
If both fail then the Kraft Bowl goes to the number 9 ACC. If that fails then its against a MAC school.

by WolfpackNev on Nov 7, 2011 3:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Utah vs. Utah State in a bowl game?

Sounds like a stretch. Interesting pairing though, from a historical perspective. USU fans would probably be excited, but I doubt Utah fans would.

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

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by CrimsonUte on Nov 7, 2011 8:24 AM MST up reply actions  

Be fun to play them

Although kind of a lose-lose… no respect if we beat them, but I think folks in Utah know that USU is deceptively good this year.

I would like to play Baylor or an ACC team in a bowl game. Baylor would be a very Arizona-esque matchup, and should be a fun one to watch.

All that said, I will take anyone! Just want a bowl game and to notch another Pac-12 OOC win.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 7, 2011 12:08 PM MST up reply actions  

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