Utes' season resurrected with two blowout conference wins
It's amazing what two weeks can do for confidence.
Just three weeks ago, Utah had endured their third consecutive blowout loss in conference play and looked poised for the first losing season in nine years.
Then, during a perfectly timed blackout game against Oregon State, the Utes notched their first-ever Pac-12 win. A week later, they won their first road game in conference history and, in the process, created their first true win streak of the season.
That win against the Wildcats in Tucson puts Utah one win away from a bowl berth and in position to finish their inaugural Pac-12 season in fairly impressive fashion.
All of the sudden, their game against UCLA this Saturday has a bit of edge to it. It's now between two streaking teams with identical records fighting for bowl position and, as unlikely as it may seem, a potential shot at the Pac-12 South.
For both teams, that is remarkable because three weeks ago, they both fared about as well in their defeats - that is to say, neither showed up and were embarrassed on the road.
Since, though, the Bruins have rocked Cal (who beat Utah handily) and shocked division-leading Arizona State in the final moments Saturday night. The Utes managed a win over the slumping Beavers at home and then defeated Arizona (who beat UCLA handily) on the road.
Now both teams enter this weekend's game with a bit of swagger and momentum and what once looked like a futile battle between two struggling teams has instantly become a pretty big game. Especially for the Bruins who, with their win over the Sun Devils, surged to the top of the division and because they own the tie-breaker, they're assured a trip to the Pac-12 title game if they win out.
Who would have thought that possible three weeks ago?
Yet here we are.
But there are other subtexts to this game. The most glaring, obviously, is Norm Chow, who coached at UCLA before essentially being fired at the end of last season and is now the Utes' offensive coordinator.
Is this going to be a statement game for Chow or will Rick Neuheisel use it to prove he was right about Chow all along?
Speaking of Neuheisel, after being thrown to the dogs in the wake of their nasty loss to the Wildcats a few weeks ago, he's now in position to do some damage and assure himself of a job next season. Every game is now vital to his employment and you've got to think that is at least hanging around in the back of his mind.
Can he afford to lose this game?
For Utah, it's a chance to guarantee bowl eligibility. All they need to do is find one win in their next three and they'll be bowling for the ninth straight year. It would be nice to get it out of the way right now so they can work on padding that win total, and potentially improving their holiday vacationing, as they're still vying for spots in the Holiday, Sun and Las Vegas bowls.
But UCLA is going to be a tough opponent. They've got talent and now they're confident. This game won't be a romp, as was the case four years ago when Utah easily defeated the Bruins 44-6 in Salt Lake City.
Of course, that season the Utes also finished with four losses, battled injuries, had a couple horrific defeats and rebounded late to finish with a respectable record.
Maybe history'll repeat itself?
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I don't think
This season proves anything about Chow… he’s already proven that he’s still got what it takes; this team is over-performing offensive expectations, given the weapons we have.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 7, 2011 12:13 PM MST up reply actions
Coldness.
I have to think that if it is cold, UCLA will give us at least one turnover. Maybe the game could turn into a defensive, pound-the-ground fest.
Bitter cold
I remember the last time they game to SLC the turnovers were a huge factor…and it wasnt even cold that game!
Right now the weather says a high of 40 with snow and rain.
That’s good for us. UCLA does not run the ball as well as we do.
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by displacedute on Nov 7, 2011 10:58 AM MST up reply actions
My guess Saturday will mostly be cold with a few showers...
Still can change, but the Weather Channel shows 40s (will be much cooler by halftime, since this will be a night game) with few showers.
I doubt a defensive battle
the Bruins are pretty bad at defending the run.
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Things Are Looking Up!
I have said this before, but I really feel that Hays is progressing pretty well, considering the situation. Chow is leaning on him as much as he feels he can without breaking the kid and so far he has improved every game. He is making good decisions, not forcing the issue, and he had some damn good looking passes on Saturday! If the defense continues to perform, White keeps getting his yards, and Hays keeps improving, I am feeling pretty good about winning out! Tell me I am wrong!
A potential shot at the Pac-12 South
Much more realistic for UCLA. Utah, although technically not disqualified, is a long, long shot.
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I love how you totally cut out the first part of that quote...
as unlikely as it may seem, a potential shot at the Pac-12 South.
I know it’s very unlikely, and a huge long shot, but it doesn’t change the fact there is a chance and that’s more than anyone thought three weeks ago.
Premature Expeculation
(I know. I just made it up.) As coach would say, “At this point the only thing that we can control is winning the games that we play, so we just need to do what’s in our control and focus on UCLA right now. We’ll just have to see how the rest plays out.” No sense in getting too detailed about what if’s too soon. Remember, before the first whistle ever blew, how we all had hopes of walking into the CCG? One game at a time.
Well considering any scenario is moot with a loss to UCLA Saturday...
I don’t think it’s getting ahead of ourselves if we look at this game as, at least right now, a Pac-12 South eliminator. That’s exactly what it is. While ASU and UCLA to a lesser extent are still in far better position to win the division than Utah, the Utes can play their way into potentially making a run at it (unlikely, but eh) with a win Saturday. If they lose, any scenario or discussion ends.
So we are taking it one game at a time. This game could decide A) who goes bowling, since both UCLA and Utah are one-win away from bowl eligibility) and B) who loses out on playing for the Pac-12 South. UCLA loses Saturday and it’s highly unlikely they win the division – Utah loses and it’s almost impossible (if it isn’t already).
Yep.
Here are the two possible ways for Utah to get into the title game, and neither is likely.
1- Utah wins out, ends season 8-4 (5-4), ASU loses the rest of its games, ends season 6-6 (4-5), UCLA loses to Utah and then at least one more (USC probably), ends season 7-5 (5-4) but loses title game shot due to tiebreaker. ASU’s remaining schedule is @WSU, Arizona, and Cal. That’s unlikely to be three losses.
2- Utah wins out, ends season 8-4 (5-4), ASU loses two games in horrible fashion, wrecking their BCS ranking, ends season 7-5 (5-4). UCLA loses to Utah and USC, ends season 7-5 (5-4). 3-way tiebreaker is division ranking. Utah is 3-2, ASU is 3-2, UCLA is 2-3 (UA, Utah, USC). The next tiebreaker is BCS ranking, which in this scenario is hopefully Utah.
Neither of those scenarios are likely, although #2 is more likely than #1.
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by displacedute on Nov 7, 2011 11:06 AM MST up reply actions
Here are the official rules from the Pac-12 website
Tie-breaking Procedures
Divisional Champion Tie-breaker
Two Teams:
Head-to-head competition between the two tied teams. If no game is played between the two tied teams or that game ends in a tie, the following tie-breaking procedures would be applied:
1.Record in games played within the division.
2.Record against the next highest placed team in the division (based on record in all Conference games, both divisional and cross-divisional) proceeding through the division.
3.Record in common Conference games.
4.Highest BCS Ranking following the last weekend of regular-season games.
5.Total number of wins in a 12-game season. The following conditions will apply to the calculation of the total number of wins:
◦Only one win against a team from the NCAA Football Championship Subdivision or lower division will be counted annually.
◦Any games that are exempted from counting against the annual maximum number of football contests per NCAA rules (current Bylaw 17.9.5.2) shall not be included.
6.Coin toss.
Three or More Teams:
The following procedures will only be used to eliminate all but two teams, at which point the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
1.Head-to-head (best record in games among the tied teams).
2.Record in games played within the division.
3.Record against the next highest placed team in the division (based on record in all Conference games, both divisional and cross-divisional), proceeding through the division.
4.Record in common Conference games.
5.Highest BCS Ranking following the last weekend of regular-season games.
by Utes_real2008champs on Nov 7, 2011 11:30 AM MST up reply actions
Okay, so let's try this again.
1- Three-way tie head-to-head would be even (ASU beats Utah, Utah beats UCLA, UCLA beats ASU).
2- Division records would be as outlined above (Utah and ASU are 3-2, UCLA is 2-3), leaving Utah and ASU with a shot at the title game.
3- Record against next-highest-team in the division. This one is strange, but presumably it means the highest team that isn’t tied for first, so in this case would that be USC (who technically would be AHEAD of all the tied teams if they beat UCLA) or Arizona. If it’s Arizona, Utah wins this tiebreaker, if it’s USC, Utah loses.
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by displacedute on Nov 7, 2011 11:57 AM MST up reply actions
3 or more Teams
The following procedures will only be used to eliminate all but two teams, at which point the two-team tie-breaking procedure will be applied.
If UCLA, ASU and Utah are all tied at 5-4, then this would be the tie breaking procedure to widdle it down to only two teams.
1. Tied
2.Record in div games (5 division games)
ASU 3-2 losses against Zona & UCLA
UCLA 3-2 losses against zona & Utah (must beat USC)
Utah 3-2 losses against USC & ASU
Tied
3.Record against the next highest placed team in the division (USC)
UCLA W
ASU W
Utah L
Utah is eliminated
UCLA & ASU go head to head
UCLA wins the division
The only way for Utah to win the division is if they win out, ASU loses out & UCLA loses 2 of their last 3.
Next week we will know for sure if Utah is eliminated from winning the division.
by Utes_real2008champs on Nov 7, 2011 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
If UCLA beats USC they'll be 6-3 and will win the division outright.
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hmmmm for some reason i don't think that step 3 will use USC for comparison.
Wouldn’t their postseason ban take them out of a process like this?
by khaostheory117 on Nov 7, 2011 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed
At this point, the Billy Bob bowl sounds great.
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"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."
UCLA
UCLA’s offense is run first. Our D stuffs the run. I think our D will make this a one dimensional game for UCLA and if so I like our chances
UCLA Much scarier than expected
I’ve been the first to rag on Neuheisel and the Bruins all year. But they are suddenly dangerous. This game isn’t going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination, and Utes are in real danger.
There are many factors in UCLA’s favor.
First the Pac-12 South Race is completely in UCLA’s hand. They win out they win the division.
Second Revenge Factor. Some people say Chow was the problem in UCLA. Others say it’s the fact that Neuheisel is a turd of a coach (Guess which side I’m on). I just can’t decide if Slick Rick wants to win and beat chow, more than he doesn’t want to be paying Chow to beat his team.
Third, Slick Rick’s job is still on the line. 5-7 probably gets him fired, while 6-6 or greater probably brings him back for another year. So while UCLA fans should be hoping and praying for the Bruins to lose out, Neuheisel would love to get that 6th victory as soon as possible.
Utah playing teams on the rise
I’m glad UCLA is coming in confident. Arizona was doing the same thing, after a big win against UCLA two weeks before and hanging with Washington in a close one on the road. Even if UCLA is >>> Arizona, I think this bodes well for Utah, who is playing well when they are favored to lose.
I think Utah thrives on the expectations (or lack of). No one really expects much of Utah, and so long as Utah continues to be favored to lose, they play with the chip on their shoulder that makes them a better team.
I also really don’t like Neuheisel. IMO, based on personal bias and limited information, he’s the worst coach in college football, and I would like Utah to be the team who sends him out on his rear. Because I think this is a must-win for him, as a loss is another busted season for an otherwise proud program.
I haven't changed my tune much at all...
Prior to Pittsburgh, I talked about how important that game was to Utah’s bowl chances. After Cal, I rightfully suggested they needed to do more to get to bowl eligibility and after last week’s victory, I started talking about how the Utes were poised for a ninth straight bowl bid.
If anything, I’ve been pretty consistent with the results on the football field.
This is what I said last week:
Even though Utah has struggled in Pac-12 play, thanks to their stellar out of conference record, the Utes enter November in prime position for a ninth straight bowl game.
With all that’s happened, the injuries that have stacked up since the season began, I guess you couldn’t ask for a better spot. 4-4 might not turn too many heads, but it puts Utah just two wins away from a bowl game and that ain’t bad.
http://www.blocku.com/2011/11/1/2530991/utes-enter-november-vying-for-a-bowl-berth
So if you’re going to accuse me of changing my tune, you’re at least a week late.
I know it's only Monday but......
Does anyone know if the game will be broadcast via Comcast? I’m up in Seattle a really don’t want to miss this game.
414 on Comcast
At least in the Seattle area anyway
by tpb125 on Nov 8, 2011 10:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
if utah does win its remaing games does the pac -12 still have a tie in wiht the holiday bowl?
i don’t think we have ever played in that bowl. that would be nice.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 7, 2011 2:31 PM MST reply actions
remaining games.......................................
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 7, 2011 2:31 PM MST up reply actions
Did you read the article you just responded to?
Where Jazzy specifically said, “It would be nice to get it out of the way right now so they can work on padding that win total, and potentially improving their holiday vacationing, as they’re still vying for spots in the Holiday, Sun and Las Vegas bowls.”
i must haved missed it. thanks for pointing it out.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 8, 2011 5:03 PM MST up reply actions
Sooo nervous about this game...
Jon Hays has had 1 decent game (OSU) and 1 fair game (AZ). I’m still not sold. UCLA, in my mind, seems similar to Cal in that their defense is very athletic and I fear they will cause all sorts of problems for our offense.
One last thing. I freaking love being in the PAC. I love that every week you feel like the game could go either way. We didn’t get that in the MWC. Money aside, I love the week to week challenge the PAC presents.
by BetterasIgetolder on Nov 7, 2011 3:03 PM MST reply actions
Does our creaming them a few years back . . .
Figure into their psyche at all?
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."
Doubt it.
Completely different coaching staff and none of their current players played in that game.
Nope, that was the year before Slick Rick started destroying UCLA.
2007 was Karl Dorrel
Incidentally
What the heck happened to ‘the grind’? My take: everyone suffers from ‘the grind’, so it leaves us all equal throughout the season… still comes down to who is better on gameday.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Nov 7, 2011 8:04 PM MST reply actions
Yes
When we all have had the same recruting base for a decade.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."
i'm supposed to step back from it? lol
jk jk but it does feel a lot better. thanks scotty, you rock
by khaostheory117 on Nov 8, 2011 12:51 AM MST up reply actions
That raises a good point
If you don’t step back from the ledge, you’ve saved yourself a trip for next time you lose again. Take me, for instance. I’ve set up a tent complete with generator and space heater by the ledge this season!
We'll step back when we hit that sixth win...
It’d be nice to do it Saturday and put ourselves in position to finish with a chance to win nine regular season games this year.
Jazzy,
The only way we get to nine wins is with a bowl game. We can finish with 8 regular season wins…
by BetterasIgetolder on Nov 8, 2011 10:10 AM MST up reply actions
do you have a mini fridge?
no ledge tent is complete without one
by khaostheory117 on Nov 8, 2011 5:29 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I hate to say it...
Perhaps it has something to do with the Black… I’m kind of nurvous without it. I think it may have to stay around till we loose. Anyone have an idea what the uniforms will be?
I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.
Red top, black pants?
But I still wanna see a black helmet!
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
Black helmet with a red Block U would be awesome...
Rutgers style…I think you pointed that out a few weeks ago.
I wasn't the first to mention it
But yes, I’d love to see it.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
We already did that.....against Washington
but that was before the blackout so……..
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