Norm Chow has been named the head coach of the Hawaii Warriors
by JazzyUte on Dec 20, 2011 1:00 PM MST
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PrintThe Honolulu Star Advertiser is reporting that the University of Hawaii has approved Norm Chow as their next head coach.
A press conference could be held as early as tomorrow.
Chow, a native of Hawaii, will become a head coach for the first time in his career.
The University of Utah graduate spent one year as the Utes' offensive coordinator.
There are no indications who will replace him here, though Aaron Roderick, who was the Utes' offensive coordinator last season, could be the leading candidate.
We're now officially at CHOWCON 1 - he's gone.
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Congrats to Chow
He deserved to be a Head Coach a long time ago.
Now to answer your twitter question. Yes it was worth it. Especially if Travis Wilson and Chase Hansen stay committed (My Big Fear).
I like that Roderick got a year under a legit OC, and while he may not be ready yet, He had a lot of potential last year, but needed some experience and help from an experienced OC, especially in the play calling area.
I’d bet we go back to Roderick, because I’m just not sure which OC’s are out there available that are worth it. Then again, if I remember right we didn’t get Chow till well into the offseason last year. Though you can be sure the Spread is still Dead at Utah.
My biggest worries (Other than losing Wilson/Hansen) is that Chow tries to poach Tim Davis (OL), or Scalley for his staff. Hands off Chow, you hear me?!
The question is..
did Roderick get enough experience and exposure in one year to run an efficient Pro-Style offense? I for one would love to continue to see the Utes running the pro-style offense, I just worry about Roderick’s experience if he ends up being the guy. I think he has the makings of a great O.C., but was one year enough to close the major gaps we saw last year?
As much as I would hate to lose Roderick, I really worry about losing credibility with our recruits if we don’t have the right guy calling the offense.
Who knows, hopefully we already have the right guy on staff who can move our offense forward. Either way, I got to think that this will be a difficult decision for Whitt.
That is a concern of mine as well...
Roderick wasn’t ready to run a Pac-12 offense. Whittingham knew this and brought in Chow. I’m sure Whittingham didn’t expect Chow to be here that long, but I can’t believe he thought it was a one-and-done deal.
Did Roderick learn enough in one year to take over an offense and lead it to success in the Pac-12?
That’s the big question. I am not completely sold on Roderick at all. We all knew, this time last year, a change needed to be made on the offensive end because the offense was just abysmal when lined up against good teams.
Even though the offense struggled this season, it was only really a liability in the Cal game. Every other game, you can pin the losses on other factors (special teams or injury).
He can probably handle
telling Jon Hays to turn and hand the ball to John White IV.
Andy Wooldridge, andy_wooldridge@yahoo.com
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Go Beavs!
Jon Hays wouldn't have been here without Chow
And if Jon Hays is in any position to sniff playing time next season, we have really been crippled.
Recruiting is where this hurts most
I agree, congrats to Chow. I’m not too worried about the offense, I think Roderick will take the reigns and now has a year of learning under a guru. Granted, I’m not sure what kind of offense we’ll go with… I’m also not too worried about Chow poaching our coaching staff. If you were an assistant coach would you leave a pac12 school to take a similar position at a wac school? The only way I see this happening is if he takes one of our position coaches and offers them a coordinator job.
Where I’m really worried is on the recruiting front. As you said, both Hansen and Wilson wanted to work with Chow, and Ceachir also stated Chow was a big reason he was coming to Utah. Those are just the three off the top of my head, others may exist too. If we can’t get a good quarterback prospect in the system now, I’m really worried about the position in the future.
by derrick.gunther on Dec 20, 2011 1:23 PM MST reply actions
I might be the lone voice out here
But good. I was unimpressed. What had he done for UCLA? For Utah? Really, was he that helpful in recruiting?
I don’t know, but I’m almost sure he’s living on a prior reputation rather than a current one. But then again, Hawaii wanted him, so what the fuck do I know.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
I disagree...
Not many teams can sustain losing their starting quarterback three and a half games into the season, let alone when they’re forced to start a DII guy.
Without Chow, we’re probably a 4 or 5 win team this year.
There is no reason the Utes should be in the Sun Bowl with what they’re lining up under center. It’s a testament to both Whitt and Chow.
This offense, even as crippled as it was, still impressed me more than what we saw with Roderick and Schramm in ’09 and ’10.
by JazzyUte on Dec 20, 2011 1:28 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Considering the tools he had to work with, he was doing an amazing job.
With Roderick as OC and Hays as quarterback, Utah is not bowl eligible.
If you don't see his success at Utah this season...
… then I have to question your Football sanity.
Chow’s season was nothing short of amazing this year. His game plans, to get Utah to 6 wins after Wynn went down, when everyone in the stadium (Fans, Coaches, Players, Broadcasters, Press, etc) knew what the gameplan was, is arguably one of his best playcalling season ever.
Sanity is not a requirement for following football
Zoloft is.
Oh well, I just think he was somewhat overrated. Obviously UCLA thought so, but on the other hand, UCLA’s hiring skills aren’t that great.
Go Cuse. Go Utes. Go Kings (hockey version). Go Panthers (hockey version). Go Marlins. Go Dodgers. I despise the NFL and NBA, so don't bore me.
by LeftCoastMan on Dec 20, 2011 7:43 PM MST up reply actions
I know this isn't a popular position in this forum
… but I think you guys are going to be way better off with a different OC.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Nothing, and I mean nothing, has shown me Roderick or Schramm are better than Chow...
I’m surprised any Ute fan would agree with that statement. Some of the worst offensive games of the Whittingham era came with both as the Utes’ coordinator in ’09 and ’10.
Lest we forget much of the 2009 season, the losses to Oregon (at Oregon), the San Jose State game where we needed a late touchdown just to seal the win, the abortion down in Provo where we managed only six points in three quarters, which ultimately cost us the game and the three losses from ’10.
Oh and the ’10 BYU game, where it took a blocked field goal to seal a win over a very average Cougar team…
I don’t want to go back to that. As much as the offense struggled this season, at least they didn’t blow it badly in big games. They were competent enough where they played USC tough, put the wood on BYU, got us a much-needed win on the road over Arizona, rolled UCLA and played pretty solid in the snow against Washington State.
With Roderick or Schramm as our OC this year, we’re no better than 5-wins.
So, I have a hard time believing we’ll be better off going back to them. :/
by JazzyUte on Dec 20, 2011 3:47 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed...
With Jazzy… My thoughts exactly…
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 4:21 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't mean to imply Roderick or Schramm are better than Chow; at all.
I just am not a Chow fan. I’d certainly still rather have him than the two-headed OC option. When I say I’d support a different OC, I certainly don’t mean those two. I’m hoping we’ll be able to pick up someone else.
We're probably going to back to our old OC...
Who failed miserably in every big game the last two years.
Well, I take that back, he called a decent game against Cal in the Poinsettia Bowl.
But there were some stinkers in there.
I’m not convinced.
yeah - you are right, I should check myself
… being better off is always relative to who replaces whom.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Damn it...
To question how much Chow has done for recruiting is simply ignorant.
Congrats to Chow, but damn it. We’ll see how this impacts the recruiting shortly, I’m sure.
So, do we go back to the two headed monstrosity of last year? Give it to one outright? Or go with an established OC, and who?
Lastly, I have it on good authority that Wynn will not take another snap…
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 1:34 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
if Wynn won't take another snap...
and Chow is gone, then we are up the proverbial shits creek without a paddle.
SLCforme
by derrick.gunther on Dec 20, 2011 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Who is next?
Are we sure Roderick will take over? Even if we are sure of that, is there anyone we could bring in? Just checking to see if there are any exciting possibilities for a new OC from the outside
There are options...
Roderick is just one. I’m guessing, since he was the OC last year. he’ll be the odds on favorite to take over that position again.
But if not, there are certainly coaches out there who might want to make the jump or who lost their jobs but could be good coordinators.
Ouch
That’s a big blow. let’s not just throw roderick back in there. let’s go out and get a big name who can do what we need to do.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Dec 20, 2011 2:07 PM MST reply actions
Second the Motion
We really can’t throw Roderick back in there if we expect to keep both Hansen and Wilson. In addition, Tim Davis will need an OC he can trust. I think Coach Whit and Chris Hill need to pull out all the stops to prove that we’re a program that doesn’t settle for non-BCS level competition.
Oc
Mike sanford back in utah? Sucks to install whole new O & he bails after a year..
by kodiek on Dec 20, 2011 2:20 PM MST via Android app reply actions
Agreed...I'm not worried yet...
But I hate the idea Chow is already potentially poaching our coaches. What’s next, recruits?
Sitakecom????? Level 3?
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson
Why would he go?
Take the same position at a mwc school? Doesn’t make sense.
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 2:34 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Unless there is some promise there that he'd take over when Chow retires...
Still, that’s a mighty big if and coaches in waiting don’t typically work out – especially when you’re dealing with an unproven.
I think he's on track to eventuall get USU, BYU, Utah as a head job.
As a friend just said to me, he’d be mad to go with Chow.
Any way we could get Mike McCoy from the Broncos?
Entice him as a possible successor to Whit
I know what you mean...
I think it was partly because Urban came in and led Utah to a great year before taking advantage of a great opportunity. I felt like things were lining up to have a special year next year. Now I don’t know how feel.
by notblue19 on Dec 20, 2011 2:47 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed.
Also, I never expected Urban to stay. I had no doubt that if he was successful he would go somewhere else—somewhere bigger and better. Coach Chow, on the other hand, I expected to stay. When he talked about bringing his coaching career full circle and finishing it here, I believed him.
I agree
I’m definitely not in the “Congratulations, Norm! You deserve it!” camp. At least not now. When Urban left it was tough, but we immediately got Whittingham which took some of the sting off. If Hill can hire a quality proven guy, I’ll feel much better. However, if we go from Chow to Roderick (yeesh), I’ll be bitter for a while. It’s like when a relationship ends…your bitterness/sadness is directly proportional to your options.
Ouch...
It felt like with Whittcon, and Star possibly leaving, that the program had been dodging bullets the last couple of weeks. Looks like the Utes finally got hit, and more shots may be coming. Seriously hope for no further losses(recruits or coaches).
by notblue19 on Dec 20, 2011 2:44 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Yesterday
It sounded like Chow was going, and then it looked like he would stay. Now I find out that he is actually going. BlockU is the new ESPN.com.
ESPN
only cites sources… BlockU is now that source!
Experienced Pro-Style OC a must!
Steve Fairchild has an NFL background which will bring top talent to play in his offense. And he is available.
by SLC Punk on Dec 20, 2011 3:02 PM MST via Android app reply actions
Chow leaving could already have an impact on recruiting...
Marc Pouvave, offensive line commit, tweeted this about whether he was less excited about playing at Utah now that Chow’s gone:
idk what to think as of yet. I’ll take my trip and see how it goes. He was a big influence for m
http://twitter.com/#!/TheMarcPouvave/status/149218749403238400
I guess I don't fully understand the hometown crowd draw for Chow
I mean, yes, I can understand the desire to be a full HC over an OC. But, the man has coached BYU, USC, UCLA, and Utah. Even stepping up to a HC position, isn’t that a bit of a tumble to go to Hawai’i? I mean, honestly, Utah as of right now, prestige-wise, is among the lowest points of his career. But Utah is only headed up right now. Isn’t going the the island a step further down, even with the HC promotion? Does anyone expect Hawai’i to be big league competitive within four years? I believe that Chow can get them to more than respectable within that time frame, but big bowl competitive? I don’t see it.
And if the reports about him wanting to poach Sitake are true, I call party foul.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
It could be worse
Gus Malzan took a $500k pay cut, and went to arkansas state from the defending national champs.
by Joe Hamilton's Chauffeur on Dec 20, 2011 3:21 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Who knows anything about Steve Fairchild?
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 3:11 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Well, I know that he is unemployed...
But seriously, he would be an excellent candidate to be Chow’s replacement.
by pappyman on Dec 20, 2011 3:16 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's not like I was excited about next year or anything
I guess I can look forward to more of the same. Another year, another OC…another year of stellar defense and frustrating offense…another year of getting our QBs used to a new system. Bah! Christmas is ruined.
Well, shit...
I wish he would have stayed another year so Wilson and Hansen would have at least been in the fold. Now I feel like Wilson is 50/50 at best. Hansen I’d say is probably still 80/20 staying since he’s a local guy.
It sucks to lose Chow’s play calling, I thought he did a great job this year. Although it may hurt us more on the recruiting end, as others have said. Congrats to Norm though, he should have had a head coaching gig years ago.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Best years obviously behind chow
I don’t know why some people are mad about losing him. The offense sucked last year, that’s all that matters right? Let’s move on.
What is the possibility that we shift our offensive gameplan...?
From a pro-style, back to a spread, or something else?
I should clarify
That the reason I ask is because, I believe that those systems can make an offense better than the rostered talent would normally allow for in a pro-style.
Unlikely...
It would be really poor leadership on Whit’s part to switch offensive philosophies again. Whit has otherwise been a good leader so it would be seriously out-of-character for him to switch offenses again. Whit doesn’t strike me as the fickle type.
Also, one of the reasons the spread worked so well at first, was that so few teams run it. Now several teams in every conference run it. It’s not going to catch anyone by surprise anymore. With both Arizona universities hiring coaches that have run the spread, every Pac-12 coach will be familiar with how to defend it.
I think the pro is the way to go...
I like Coach Whit going the way of SC, Alabama, and LSU. Strong defense, now we just need a reliable offense…
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 4:20 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
Let's talk viable replacements...
Experience with the pro set, and good with qb’s, who would also come to Utah…
Go…
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 4:23 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Pro-Style vet, good with QB's
Steve Fairchild. He is a great recruiter, and just look what he did with the true freshman Pete Thomas. He was the Buffalo Bills OC before going to CSU, so he can go get QB’s, OL, and TE who want to play in the NFL. I think the reason he struggled at CSU is because in order to run a Pro-Style offense, you have to have talented players. That is why the spread was originally a Non-BCS schools equalizer. If you can’t get good kids to come to your school, than a pro-set is going to fail. After Gartrell Johnson, and that big TE left, they couldn’t get anything going. He still got a lot of his O-line drafted due to his NFL connections, and THAT is something top recruites will notice.
Roderick is a rockstar.
I would not let the two-headed Schramm/Roderick monster in ’10 jade your perspective on Roderick. If Whit hands Roderick 100% of the reins, expect great things.
Then what to do with Schramm?
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 4:34 PM MST up reply actions
Schramm is a great sidelines coach...
I’d hate to lose his intensity. Plus, Roderick really was the play caller in ‘10. I don’t think we used the two-headed coordinator as much as in ’09.
Rod is no good.
Remember the TCU game? We were averaging 5 yards a carry in that game, but when we went down by 2 scores, he totally went away from the run. The only running play he knew how to call was power right/left, and out of 4 wr sets, and without a mobile QB they would blow that play up all day. Remember the Air Force game? If Rod was the OC against BYU this past year we would have quit running the ball after the second possession. He is a recievers coach, he was a reciever in a pass happy offense, its in his blood to throw the ball. Whitt wants to run, control the clock and win with defense. Roderick would be a bad move.
At no point in the TCU game did Utah average 5 yards a carry
Utah’s first rush came on the second possession. Asiata rushed for 1 yard. On the next possession Wide rushed for 1 yard and Asiata rushed for 3. Then Wide rushed for negative 2 yards. At the end of the first quarter, Utah’s rushing was 4 attempts for a net of 3 yards or .75 per attempt.
It didn’t get better in the second quarter where the only run was Wide for 2 yards.
Maybe that was the problem with the game plan — Roderick and Schramm thought they could pass against TCU — but none of the runs in the first half indicated Utah could rush against them either.
ALL AAA-BOARD!!!!
The Steve Fairchild Train!!!!
I may be going out on a bit of a limb here...
But I would imagine it is far more likely that Dr. Hill goes looking elsewhere for a currently active, successful coach (quarterbacks coach, Co-Offensive Coordinator), rather than hire a former head coach with a "some-what’ dismal record. There are plenty of successful, employed coaches out there that would love to get a shot at running an offense with limited input such as how Coach Whit allowed Chow to run the offense. I would like to see us make a strong run at someone like Josh Heupel, who is the Co-Offensive Coordinator at Oklahoma. He makes a little more than 300K a year, which is steep, but Oklahoma runs an exciting (sort-of pro-style) offense. I’m not saying that we should go after this guy in particular, just saying I would rather see us go after someone at a program who has had a lot of success on the offensive side of the ball. Especially if there is a little incentive for them to leave, such as, the opportunity to not be a “Co” coordinator. Let’s get some fresh blood in Ute offense! Honestly, I will be upset if we go after a mid-tier Mountain West head coach for the OC spot. Or if we promote from within.
OU Runs the Spread No-Huddle
I don’t see Whitt wanting to go back to that style of offense. Especially with the recruiting class that is coming in this year.
Need to clear something up
OU is Shotgun only as well. They don’t run anything from under center.
Aloha
I am not really crushed by losing Chow.
Offensively, even when we had Jordan Wynn, we weren’t lighting up the scoreboard. See Montana State, USC and BYU game (first half) games. Our team was very average. While some of that could be attributed to growing pains of learning a new system, I didn’t see any huge increase in production from last year when we ran the spread. Often times (with the exception of the UW game) we had trouble moving the ball in the first half.
He also recommended Jon Hays to the program and we all know now that though Hays may have heart and some talent, he is not a D-1 level QB.
IMO about the only tangible positive impact Coach Chow has had on the program, is that some recruits are coming to Utah because of him. We shall see.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Dec 20, 2011 5:34 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I think it's not very fair to say "even with Wynn..."
Considering he only made it through three games before he went down. Moreover, there was a transition there and it’s impossible to say, had he not gone down, what the offense could’ve done later in the season when he gained more experienced in the system and under Chow.
You’re not crushed and that’s fine. But if we go re-promote Roderick, I think most fans are going to be disappointed.
I agree the most pressing issue now is Chow's replacement
and that no candidates jump out to replace him.
Don’t get me wrong, I am not saying I preferred him leaving, but at the same time I always had the impression that he wasn’t all that keen on being back to the school he attended as an undergraduate. If I was him I would have been thrilled to be back at my old school, ‘where I met my wife’, a place that was paying me over $200K (overall $500K). But that is just me.
I can understand at his age he wanted to go out saying he had been a head coach.
I just hope now that he has some respect for the program and thereby not poach our recruits and our coaching staff.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Dec 20, 2011 8:37 PM MST up reply actions
A-Rod vs Chow stats
While everyone is quick to rip on A-Rod lets look at a few stats shall we…
2010 2011
Total Offense: 389 yds per game 308 yds per game
Scoring: 33 points per game 24.6 points per game
Passing: 236 yds per game 171 yds per game
Rushing: 152 yds per game 137 yds per game
3rd down conversions: 42% 34%
4th down conversions: 64% 50%
Red Zone TD : 67 50
2010 had 3 losses against #4 TCU, #10 Boise State and at Notre Dame. Most schools are stoked with a record like this. But instead we throw the guy under the bus.
Those stats don't mean much...
You’re comparing apples & oranges.
2010’s schedule was pretty weak when you factor in the bottom of the Mountain West.
UNLV (2-11)
UNM (1-11)
SJSU (1-12)
Iowa State (5-7)
Wyoming (3-9)
CSU (3-9)
Six games came against teams that finished with losing records. Five came against teams that won no more than 3 games. Three came against teams that won no more than two games.
I’d expect any OC to roll up some gaudy numbers with points like that.
Apples to Apples my friend
Didn’t we have the opposite complaint in 2008 when we were passed over for the NC & played in the Sugar Bowl?
Not to mention the competition this year wasn’t much better.
MT State (no record necessary when they are just a JUCO on steroids)
Pitt 6-6
Oregon St: 3-9
AZ 4-8
UCLA 6-7
Washington St 4-8
Colorado 3-10
Athletes at PAC 12 Schools
3 win PAC 12 teams are better than 3 win mwc teams just based on the athletes that the PAC 12 schools have. We learned this the hard way against CU.
Agree...
I agree that the PAC 12 is a better conference, No question. But everyone put Chow on this pedestal when in all honesty, he did nothing spectacular. If anything, people were disappointed in the season.
I don't take those people who were disappointed serious...
I’m guessing they’re not knowledge football fans and just looked at the offense and said, “meh, they didn’t score a lot of points…so, he must’ve been bad…”
Yeah, the offense wasn’t good. But you know what? When you’re starting a DII QB, it’s ridiculous to expect it to be good. That’s just not fair to Chow.
Last year’s offense did extremely well against some of the worst teams in college football and crapped the bed in historical fashion against good teams. That’s not even getting into 2009, when the offense was abysmal for most the season – with a healthy Jordan Wynn.
Under Roderick, Utah has had some really bad offensive stinkers:
3-26 loss to BSU
17-16 win over BYU
3-28 loss to Notre Dame
7-47 loss to TCU
23-26 loss to BYU
I won’t count the remainder of ‘09, because Roderick wasn’t calling the plays. But, in the end, five of the Utes’ toughest opponents totally shut down his offense in a season and two games to the point where it not only cost Utah the game, but they were run off the field because of it.
The only time I felt that happened this season was at Cal.
Like I’ve said, if Roderick had coached the offense this year, I’m guessing, once Wynn went down, this team wins no more than four or five regular season games.
That’s why I’m thinking Chow > Roderick right now.
Except for...
Compete in the PAC 12 with a D-III QB… Nothing big…
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
- Fred Bear -
by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 10:40 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
It's not apples and apples, though...
Your first problem is that you’re comparing mediocre Pac-12 teams to bad MWC teams.
They’re noway comparable.
Also don't forget....
2010 had a division 1 qb, while 2011 had a division 3 qb.
by UnHoly Ram on Dec 20, 2011 7:56 PM MST via Android app up reply actions
Who??? Wynn??? Your funny!
Wynn was the same this year as last year… Good when he was healthy and bad he was hurt (which is almost always). He got hurt in the ISU game & was never the same. This is amazing because at the time, few people noticed the offense changed due to the fact that Wynn suddenly couldn’t make any throws that required some zip (anything across the middle, outs, drags…). Yet when other schools figured it out and forced the offense to run the ball, we got our buts kicked. I’m not trying to bag on the kid, but unfortunately this has been the story of his life. Also, remind me who brought in this new, amazing backup? Chow. Not to mention, in high school Devonte Christopher was one of the top ranked QBs in the country. He is clearly the best athlete on the field, yet using him would have forced Chow to eat crow, which is not going to happen.
Umm wow.. Okay So much wrong with your comment
But let’s start with, The Wynn who played last year, even during the second half of the season after the injury was a ton different than the Wynn we briefly saw this season.
Also in case you were under a rock or something this season, Wynn didn’t play the majority of the season. Jon Hays did. And Jon Hays is not a Div 1 QB.
Anyone else scratching their head and saying hmmm I wonder yet?
What do you think the chances are that Whit and/or the AD knew both Sitaki and Chow we’re in for this job back when we went to Witcon 3? And if Whit knew makes sense why he may have shown interest in leaving Utah for fear of having to rebuild his coaching staff and possibly losing high level recruits?
This Chow poaching thing is potentially seriously bad news along with the fact that now we have no clue about what will happen with our verbal commits. It’s been a crazy few weeks for the Utes. I hope we can keep our focus on this bowl game and pull of the big W to help show recruits we can do it no matter what. By the way I heard Georgia Tech’s QB won’t play due to a school directed suspension.
I thought about that for a brief second...
But I think ASU was Whitt’s job if he wanted it. So, he turned them down.
Now if he jets off to PSU…
Have to wonder
PSU coaching job hasn’t been announced. Norm and Kalani were both looking to get out. Was there a specific reason? A cynic might think they didn’t want to be stuck as the fiddle players on a sinking ship.
by UteinBrooklyn on Dec 20, 2011 9:43 PM MST up reply actions
So what happens now?
Do we find somebody that uses a similar philosophy? Do we go back to the spread? Do we just find somebody different and change to something else?
by CRIMSONandWHITE on Dec 20, 2011 7:18 PM MST reply actions
Mike McCoy?
I’ve heard his name bounced around. Don’t know if it was McCoy or Fox that made Tebow work in Denver, but he is a former QB, NFL O-Coordinator (meaning he knows about the pro-style offense) and local guy (U graduate). I just don’t know who does the offensive play calling in Denver. If it’s McCoy, then that shows he has the patience to run the ball (A big problem with Roderick.) I don’t know much about him, just wanted to throw his name out there. Anyone know more?
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by P-NutUte on Dec 20, 2011 7:45 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions
Yeah, let's bring in a pro-guy.
Ratliff has been learning the NFL ropes too.
I also like Tony Sparano (former Coach of the Miami Dolphins). He needs a job and he is a tough guy. He may have not been all the successful recently (Miami was 11-5 his first year), but he is a decent coach and college may just be his bag.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Dec 20, 2011 8:47 PM MST up reply actions
Good for Norm, he earned it.
I’m disappointed he is leaving. I was really excited and curious about next years offense with Wynn healthy, White returning, and several good WRs. Obviously the immediate concerns are if any recruit walks or he poaches Kalani.
Long term, I think Utah needs to hire a recruiting wizard as much as an innovative play caller. It was fairly clear that Utah lacked depth at several positions.
Don't count on J-Wynn...
"Go afield with a good attitude, Walk with respect for the wildlife you hunt, and for the forests and fields in which you walk. Immerse yourself in the outdoor experience. It will cleanse your soul and make you a better person."
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by BetterasIgetolder on Dec 20, 2011 10:43 PM MST via iPhone app up reply actions
How about Mark Whipple?
He had a pretty good stint in Miami, even if the stats wouldn’t suggest that. That team was ravaged by injuries, and it’s my belief that Jordan Wynn is twice the QB Jacory Harris is (that’s not an endorsement, rather a testament to Whipple).
Anyway, on the surface, without going into a deep analysis, the offensive philosophy of our team doesn’t seem too dissimilar to what Miami ran a couple of years ago.
Currently, his talents are being wasted as the QB coach for the Cleveland Browns.
Gonna miss Chow
Wow, that hurts! Was hoping we could keep him a few years! Think this will set back the offensive part of our game a whole lot! But kudos to Chow, he deserves a chance to be a head coach!!! Did so a long time ago!!!
by UTErabidfan on Dec 21, 2011 3:39 PM MST via mobile reply actions
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