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The Positively Depressing Alleged Downfall of the Utah Hoops Program

I think it's impossible to pinpoint the exact reason why Utah basketball is in a looping slump - if there is only one reason to begin with. 

This is a process that has been pretty much building for the last decade. Utah basketball didn't die with Ray Giacoletti. He was part of the problem, but we need to admit he wasn't the sole problem. Likewise, Jim Boylen is only one factor in many that has brought us to the current abysmal state of Utah hoops. 

So where did it begin? How did the Runnin' Utes go from being a half away from winning the national championship to irrelevancy in less than ten years? It's a very complex answer due to the fact we have to assume things would have ended differently had the program made various other moves. It's all assumption because, like I said, there is no obvious reason for the decline in hoops. Instead, there are smaller, less obvious problems that mounted over the last decade that has led us down this path. 

Star-divide

April 2nd, 1998

This was a celebrated moment in Utah basketball history. The Utes were only a few days removed from losing to Kentucky in the 1998 national championship game and the basketball program was on the verge of potentially losing its superstar head coach to Arizona State.

Ultimately, on the 2nd of April, Rick Majerus rejected the Sun Devils' offer and decided to remain with Utah. 

At the time, there was a great sigh of relief because Majerus had established the Runnin' Utes as one of the elite college basketball programs in the country. From 1995 to 1998, there were only a handful of programs that had more tournament wins than Utah. The program was at its peak. Losing Majerus might've meant losing all that he had created. 

Ironically, keeping Majerus eventually did just that - as after 1998, the Utes would not produce another deep tournament run under his leadership. 

Something changed at the end of the 1998 season. Maybe it was the fact Majerus could never accept how close he came to winning it all - maybe it was just the fact he burned himself out trying to get Utah to the top. Whatever reason, Rick Majerus and Utah basketball were never the same after that '98 season. 

Sure, they won the WAC and then eventually the Mountain West and contended for the postseason every year he coached - but they were rarely a national fixture. Outside of a stunning upset of then number one Alabama in the Huntsman Center, Utah rarely made any headlines nationally. 

That was far removed from where the program had established itself in the early Majerus days. This was a coach who, in his first full season, utilizing the great Josh Grant, rolled through the WAC and advanced to the school's first Sweet Sixteen since the Jerry Pimm days. 

Early on, leading up to 1998, Utah basketball, outside 1994's rebuilding year, was as close to a western institution as you could get in the college game. Only Arizona was producing better on the national stage than the Runnin' Utes - so it isn't like Majerus' career here is only defined by a small window between 1996 and 1998. It was deeper than that. Utah basketball, for much of the 90s, was a consistent force in the Western Athletic Conference. After 1998, however, it was a slow decline that led to less inspired performances, NIT losses at home and minimal success in the Big Dance. 

For fans who were conditioned on competing at the highest level, it was hard to accept their newly minted lot in life. Utah basketball from 2000 to 2004 was good and that was it. They were rarely ever better than good and though there wasn't an entire collapse, there was an obvious downward trajectory. 

There are many reasons for this decline in hoops - here are a few:

Jeff Judkins left the basketball program in 1999. I don't think it's a coincidence the program began its decline under Majerus the second he lost his best assistant. Judkins was an important factor in Utah's run from 1990-1999. He knew the quirks of Utah recruiting, had strong ties to the state and really acted as a buffer between the often abrasive non-Mormon Majerus and the LDS talent that flowed through the Utah program throughout that run. 

When he left, I think Majerus strained the programs' ties with local high schools and the Utes started losing out on Utah talent to other local programs. 

Judkins leaving really was the first sign that things weren't right in the program. From that point on, Majerus had essentially a revolving door of assistants until he eventually up and quit in 2004. Not all left because of a souring relationship, but many did. 

Donny Daniels, who spent ten years at Utah, left in 1999. Jeff Strohm, who came aboard in 1997, left in 2002. So did Dick Hunsaker, who actually coached for a season during one of Majerus' sabbaticals. Jason Shelton was only here two years before leaving in 2001. Silvey Dominguez was an assistant for only one year before bolting to take a similar position with the Wyoming Cowboys in 2003. 

That is a ridiculous amount of turnover in such a short time. The lack of any stability in the coaching ranks had to have played a role in the slippage we saw in the final years of Majerus' career here. You can't sustain a program with that many coaches leaving it over the course of, in some instances, three years. 

Worse, as this was all going on, Majerus was in and out of coaching for personal reasons. I'm not condemning him for his choices, but he took off essentially an entire season in 2000-'01 and that had to have hurt recruiting. That had to have hurt player development. That had to have hurt the program as a whole.

That inconsistency was really taxing on the program. His troubles with Lance Allred and the NCAA sanctions certainly didn't help. He was Utah's head coach, but you could tell that behind the scenes the administration approved of him less and less. This ongoing feud between Chris Hill and Majerus eventually led to his abrupt and surprising resignation. 

The ultimate outcome was what so many of us dreaded when it appeared Majerus might be on his way to Tempe in '98. We feared a floundering program and mediocrity and, though it wasn't as bad as we've seen lately, we pretty much received that even with Majerus at the helm. 

So what if Majerus had taken that Arizona State job? He leaves at pretty much the top and yet gives his successor a great foundation to build a consistent national power. 

Maybe it's Judkins who steps in and takes over Utah basketball in the post-Majerus era. Knowing what we know about Judkins and his impact on Utah in the 90s, it isn't impossible to foresee a scenario where the Runnin' Utes are a sustainable success. 

But because Majerus returned and flirted with other jobs like UNLV and Minnesota and spent a whole year off and forced his assistants out the door, the program deteriorated - even if, on its face, it still appeared healthy.

Instead of replacing a legend at a moment where the team could build on its unprecedented success, Utah was forced to replace a legend that quit midseason and left a program that was far removed from the era of dominance that defined his legacy. 

March 31st, 2004

The move to hire Ray Giacoletti seemed underwhelming by many fans at the time. Giacoletti came from a small school that was located in a small town and played in a small conference.

Utah fans expected a bigger name because expectations had inflated their view of the program. Unfortunately, bigger names spurned Chris Hill's advances. Trent Johnson, who was an assistant at Utah in the late 80s, was the Utes' first choice and he opted to take the Stanford job instead. Mark Few at Gonzaga was Hill's other choice and he too declined the job. 

This is where Giacoletti enters the picture. Few, who had decided to stay at Gonzaga, told Hill to give Giacoletti a hard look. They were friends and Giacoletti had performed fairly well as head coach at Eastern Washington. 

I don't know if Hill was convinced on the spot by that endorsement, but a few days later, Giacoletti was officially named Utah's head coach. 

On resume alone, there were red flags. Giacoletti didn't inherit a bad program at Eastern Washington. He took over from Steve Aggers, who had established some success in Cheney and parlayed that success into a job with Loyola Marymount in the West Coast Conference. That was pretty telling in and of itself because the coach prior to Giacoletti had received a promotion - except it was to coach a far less prestigious program than what Utah had established itself in the 90s and early 00s. 

Even today, Loyola Marymount basketball is not on the level of Utah and yet, both tapped the same well for their failed hires (Aggers would only last five years there before being fired). 

But Aggers was the one who really turned around Eastern Washington. Prior to him, the program was a doormat and in his final season there, they tied Montana for the conference regular season championship - finishing with a 12-4 record. 

That is what Giacoletti inherited and to his credit, he kept it humming nicely for four years before he finally found a better gig. I don't fault Giacoletti for taking the Utah job. It was a huge upgrade and I'm sure he thought he could keep the Runnin' Utes competing at a high level.

He couldn't, though.

But why? 

Well for starters, there is a huge difference between winning at Eastern Washington and winning at Utah. Expectations just aren't the same and that's where Giacoletti faltered. He couldn't live up to the expectations and pressure of a program with Utah's stature. 

That killed him with two rebuilding projects after initial success and he could never recover from those struggles. 

Now you could reason Giacoletti failed so badly in rebuilding because he didn't face such prospects at Eastern Washington. As I mentioned, he inherited a fairly stable and growing program and kept it at a competitive level in the context of what they generally expected in Cheney, Washington. 

However, he was only there for four years and his final team, which did just enough to warrant a hiring by Utah, had three senior starters - including its best player, Alvin Snow. 

When those players left the program and the man who replaced Giacoletti had to replace those players, the Eagles faltered badly - finishing 8-20. 

So there was no foundation left for the next coach and, after three seasons, he was fired. 

This was one of those red flags. Giacoletti didn't have to build anything. He was handed an up and coming program that had stockpiled some good talent and rode that talent to a fairly decent overall record. He then got out before his fifth season that would have been his first true rebuild. 

Yet in his four at Eastern Washington, Giacoletti didn't do anything spectacular. He certainly didn't turn heads like Trent Johnson at Nevada or Mark Few at Gonzaga. There were no tournament wins or 20-win seasons or gaudy records. It was a ho-hum production that, while not bad, didn't inspire hope that this guy was capable of returning Utah to its past glories. 

Even Majerus managed 29-wins at Ball State and took them to the second round the year he was hired as Utah's head coach. 

But that was something lacking on Giacoletti's resume.

In retrospect, it probably gives us an indication why he wasn't prepared for a job like Utah. 

Giacoletti also had some questionable recruiting tactics. The talent he was bringing into the program wasn't at the level needed to sustain success and the way he set up that talent left Jim Boylen a disastrous rebuilding year in his third season and we've yet to recover from that dip in wins. 

The worst, though, might be how haphazardly Giacoletti ran this program. There was no direction and no discipline and no indication that things were improving. Players were skipping classes, the Utes were getting abused in games against bad opponents and Giacoletti had absolutely no answers. 

He was in way over his head and it showed those final two seasons. 

Knowing what we know now, it was an awful hire by Hill. It set the program back years and though what Giacoletti inherited was far from perfect, the Runnin' Utes were at least competitive and fairly consistent. Under his leadership, the only thing they were consistent at was losing. 

So he was rightfully terminated.

March 26th, 2007

When Jim Boylen was announced as Utah's head coach, I was initially impressed by the hire - even more so after his press conference. Boylen was the opposite of Giacoletti. He was exciting, charismatic, tough and extremely personable. Giacoletti was a reserved coach with hermit-like qualities.  Unless he was coaching a game, you rarely saw or heard him. 

But Boylen stepped in and said all the right things. He talked about toughness and bringing Utah hoops back to its past glory. He had many fans willing to run through walls for him and, to some extent, that is still the case today. 

Unfortunately, like Giacoletti, there were resume issues. He had proven a worthy assistant, coaching under greats like Rudy Tomjanovich, Tom Izzo and Jud Heathcote. But he had yet to run his own program, so it was unclear how well he would make the transition. 

At first, things went well. Boylen's teams were clearly more tough and competent than Giacoletti's and they were winning. At one point, the Runnin' Utes were 7-3 and coming off a huge win on the road against Cal. Then there was the success seen in Boylen's second year - which resulted in a conference regular season championship and a conference tournament championship. 

Then he was faced with the prospects of rebuilding after losing a great deal of talent he didn't recruit. This is where Boylen has struggled. 

He's struggled because, like the last coaching staff, he has failed at bringing in the talent needed to balance out the talent lost. You can't efficiently rebuild without at least some stability and Utah has lost so many players over the last two seasons that there isn't any. 

Jim Boylen's second recruiting class, the class that was supposed to bridge the gap between the tournament team and the rebuilding one, included Jordan Cyphers, Chris Hines, Josh Sharp, Jace Tavita and Jason Washburn. Of those players, only Hines and Washburn remain.

Washburn was a four-star recruit out of Michigan and though still a sophomore, he's not producing nearly at the level many Ute fans thought he would when Boylen inked him back in 2008. That was an impressive get and it certainly gave Utah and Boylen credibility that they would be able to recruit with the best of the non-Power teams. 

But that recruiting class has fizzled. Because it fizzled, the Utes were left with consecutive rebuilds. We're not talking about two down seasons. We're talking about two seasons where you're replacing almost all the scoring talent. 

That is not how you build a program. If you are overhauling your entire foundation four years into your stint as a head coach, you've failed in year's 1-3. Boylen might have established a winning attitude early with Giacoletti's recruits, but with his own players, they've only known losing. 

That is troubling. It's led us to the position where the program couldn't build on its momentum from the NCAA Tournament season in 2009. So instead of progressing as a program from year's two to three and then three to four, we've actually regressed. 

And it's led us to this current situation. 

Most damning of all, though, has been Boylen's neglect of the local talent. I talked about this with Majerus and I think it's important to bring up with Boylen. Even though he has two assistants with local ties, Stan Johnson and Barret Peery, the last two recruiting classes have been devoid of Utah talent. 

Utah is losing out on local talent to Utah State, BYU and, to a lesser extent, Weber State. Now I'm not sure why that is when Boylen has two coaches that are very familiar with the quirks of the state and its talent - but it appears he's not utilizing those coaches locally. 

Maybe he feels the path to success is through the midwest. Unfortunately, we're in the west and there is talent here. Some of the greatest players to ever come through this program grew up in Utah. Josh Grant, Al Jensen and the Johnsen brothers were all imperative to our run throughout the 90s.

Cutting off that local pipeline has hurt this program.

Not having assistant coaches that are capable of going into a Mormon household and recruiting LDS kids has hurt this program. 

All this adds up and collectively has made Utah basketball an irrelevant mess. 

I guess now it's up to the next coach to fix all of this. 

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Good Analysis

Good Analysis. I think your point about Majerus letting Judkins go is a good one. I am a Majerus disciple and I miss him to this day (for obvious reasons) but he got such a big ego after the 98 run that he didn’t think he needed those that helped get him there.

I think Hill must have had a hunch that he was in trouble with Giac. He was at least his 4th choice for the job and he had to have known it could mean trouble.

I was also impressed with Boylen out of the gate. It’s hard to see him fall on his face like he has but I think we learned our lesson going the assistant route.

by willlouty on Feb 13, 2011 10:57 PM MST reply actions  

Glad to see you again...

Been since Boylen’s hire, I think, that you’ve posted.

I agree with you. I am still a big Majerus fan, but yeah, something changed after 1998. He was a completely different coach and I think it held the program back.

With that said, I’d take his down years right now. I just want good, solid basketball again.

by JazzyUte on Feb 13, 2011 11:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Thanks!

I’ve been reading just not posting. I guess I feel the urge to say more when coaches are in trouble. :)

by willlouty on Feb 14, 2011 8:15 PM MST up reply actions  

The bigger question

Who is on Chris hill’s short list since Boylen is the walking dead?

by uteusmc on Feb 14, 2011 7:15 AM MST reply actions  

I’ve heard Dave Rice. I would hate that.

I have hope that Hill will swing for the fences and our Pac-12 status will help us a land a semi-big name. If not, I’m not sure another assistant coach turned head coach is a better option than Boylen in year 5.

by applesanchez on Feb 14, 2011 10:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Judkins was key

When he left I remember thinking it would really hurt us. It really is too bad that we went the women’s route because I think he would still be a good coach, but we can’t hire the BYU women’s coach. That is just not happening.

I also think you missed one of the main reasons for the start of the downfall. After ’98, Majerus became a different coach. He was always rude and crass, but he changed into an extremely negative person. Lance Allred was only an indicator of what Majerus had become. When a coach becomes that person, it really impacts the morale and team. I think that was one of the biggest reasons the Utah Basketball program went downhill after ’98.

Now, for the next coach, as a PAC-12 program, shouldn’t we be able to land the head coach of a mid-major school? Like SDSU or another successful mid-major? That is the route we should be going in my opinion.

by SC_Ute on Feb 14, 2011 3:17 PM MST reply actions  

Well I did briefly talk about Majerus post-1998...

When I said something changed after 1998. Majerus was a completely different coach pre-1998.

by JazzyUte on Feb 14, 2011 4:54 PM MST up reply actions  

I know you mentioned the difference between pre-98 Majerus and after, but I really think that him being such a douche-bag a**hole is what killed the program. When someone is that full of himself and belittles everyone around, no one wants to even be around you, let alone work for you or play ball for you.

by SC_Ute on Feb 14, 2011 6:12 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree...

And I think that explains why so many assistant coaches left the program from 2000-2004.

by JazzyUte on Feb 14, 2011 6:43 PM MST up reply actions  

great post jazzy...

I remember going to Crimson Club lunches between 2000-04 and it was clear that Majerus didn’t give a s***. He used to come straight from the gym (though he never looked like he hit the gym) sweaty and would walk up to the mic and just say, “Questions?” It was obvious he either thought extremely highly of himself, or thought he would get picked up by a bigger program soon. Some of those lunches were pretty tough to sit through…

I don’t think now is the time to let Boylen go. I think we need him to stick around for another year at least to see what he can do with his current class. If we lose him, we may lose some of these new guys which would continue the cycle. I think the key is picking up a new assistant with local ties, or an alumn who can help us land a few top recruits in state. Additionally, I think each class that Boylen has brought in has improved. Give him another year or two and I think we can compete. Just sayin’

by SanFranUte on Feb 14, 2011 3:17 PM MST reply actions  

one more thing

with the Jazz on the verge of destruction (Sloan out, DWill maybe out), UofU basketball might become interesting enough for fans to support again.

by SanFranUte on Feb 14, 2011 3:20 PM MST up reply actions  

I wish I had your optimism...

But I just don’t think Boylen is a very good coach. And that isn’t going to change with more time.

Hope I’m wrong and you’re right. I’d love nothing more than Boylen to succeed here.

by JazzyUte on Feb 14, 2011 4:55 PM MST up reply actions  

In state recruiting...

I disagree that boylen is ignoring instate recruits. He had Tyler Haws on speed dial. He all but stalked the Collinsworths. The problem is that none of those top instate recruits want to go to utah. At this point BYU is simply a better program with a better coach and they obviously would all rather be a part of that than the mediocre to poor utah program.

pac10 membership isn’t going to change anything either. Until utah can get some of the top instate kids they will never again be a quality program.

by I'm your Huckleberry on Feb 14, 2011 4:08 PM MST reply actions  

Early in his career here, Boylen did push hard for local recruits...

But he’s certainly gone away from that recently. Case in point is Tyrell Corbin, son of new Jazz head coach Ty Corbin. He’s a big prospect and, even though the Tribune reported he was being courted by Utah late last year, he isn’t. The Utes aren’t recruiting Corbin. Instead, they focused on Preston Guiot out of Missouri.

I do agree, though, Utah needs local talent to succeed. I just don’t think Boylen is selling this program. While BYU’s success has something to do with that, it’s not entirely the reason behind it.

by JazzyUte on Feb 14, 2011 4:52 PM MST up reply actions  

So has he given up?

On instate recruits? Has he simply decided that he cannot get them and has quit trying?

by I'm your Huckleberry on Feb 14, 2011 5:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Jordan Loveridge is a name to look out for...

Coach Johnson has saw him play, but I don’t know if Utah has offered him. I hope they do, because the kid is a force.

by JazzyUte on Feb 14, 2011 10:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Josh Sharp?

He is still on his mission………

any news on weather or not he plans to remain with the team when he returns home? Last I heard, he is still part of the program, but maybe Jazzy knows something that I dont?

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by SportsInUtah on Feb 14, 2011 4:22 PM MST reply actions  

Hopefully we will have a new coach and new (better recruits) when we goto the pac-12.

The University of Utah is off to the Pac-12 Conference and will be in the South Division. Hopefully we will get to the first ever Pac-12 Championship Game. Jon " Bones " Jones gets his chance for the UFC Light Heavyweight Title when he faces off against Shogun Rua. Jon Jones will win.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 16, 2011 12:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Well written... a great read even though....

I want to kill myself now… Don’t worry Jazzy… I won’t hold you responsible :P

That's none of your business...yet!!!

by beccers_pdx on Feb 14, 2011 9:32 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks, beccers...

It’s a very depressing situation. I’m starting to think Utah basketball is in a rut similar to what the football team saw from the 60s until the early 90s.

I hope it’s not a three decade long stretch of futility. But Boylen was supposed to the answer and he’s proven to be part of the problem. If the next guy comes in and fails – well I don’t even want to think about it.

by JazzyUte on Feb 14, 2011 9:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Time to Right This Ship

Time to bring Judkins home. I think he would be a probable great hire. He has been with the TDS girls squad and has done good for himself. I think he knows how to coach at his Alma Mater just fine.

The goal of every Ute fan should be to caffeinate Cosmo's punch and watch him self combust.

by Happyvalleyute on Feb 15, 2011 1:22 AM MST reply actions  

agreed.

The University of Utah is off to the Pac-12 Conference and will be in the South Division. Hopefully we will get to the first ever Pac-12 Championship Game. Jon " Bones " Jones gets his chance for the UFC Light Heavyweight Title when he faces off against Shogun Rua.

by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 15, 2011 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Majerus post-1998 was still successful.
After 1998, however, it was a slow decline that led to less inspired performances, NIT losses at home and minimal success in the Big Dance.
We feared a floundering program and mediocrity and, though it wasn’t as bad as we’ve seen lately, we pretty much received that even with Majerus at the helm.

I wouldn’t use the words floundering or mediocre to describe a program that went to the postseason every year. Looking at just results, I would say that the decline came after 2005.

Majerus
1998-99 | Record: 28-5, 14-0 WAC (1st), NCAA 2nd Round
1999-00 | Record: 23-9, 10-4 MWC (T-1st), NCAA 2nd Round
*2000-01 | Record: 19-12, MWC: 10-4 (1st), NIT 1st Round
2001-02 | Record: 21-9, MWC: 10-4 (2nd), NCAA 1st Round
2002-03 | Record: 25-8, MWC: 11-3 (T-1st), NCAA 2nd Round
*2003-04 | Record: 24-9, MWC: 9-5 (3rd), NCAA 1st Round

Giac
2004-05 | Record: 29-6, MWC: 13-1 (1st), NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2005-06 | Record: 14-15, MWC: 6-10 (6th)
2006-07 | Record: 11-19, MWC: 6-10 (T-6th)

Boylen
2007-08 | Record: 18-15, MWC: 7-9 (6th) CBI 2nd Round
2008-09 | Record: 24-10, MWC: 12-4 (T-1st) NCAA 1st Round
2009-10 | Record: 14-17, MWC: 7-9 (t-5th)
2010-11 | Current Record: 11-15, MWC: 4-8 (7th)

by Ryp86 on Feb 19, 2011 11:42 AM MST reply actions  

I didn't say it was...

I didn’t say it was…
I said it was pretty much what we feared.

Had Majerus left the program after 1998 and his replacement produced the exact same results, we as fans probably hold his feet to the fire.

Would it be enough to want a coaching change? Of course not -but there was certainly a huge drop in wins and tournament success post-1998 than what we saw pre-1999.

And what do you mean the decline came after 2005? A decline doesn’t have to be dramatic or sudden – but it doesn’t make it any less of a decline.

Let’s look at Majerus in the WAC and Majerus in the Mountain West:

From 1990-1999, Utah went 234-62 – winning roughly 80% of their games.

Throughout that stretch, they won the WAC 7 of 9 seasons. More impressively, they made four Sweet 16s , two Elite Eights and one Final Four.

Majerus also advanced to the second round in every season throughout that stretch, guided Utah to the NIT Final Four and compiled an overall postseason record of 19-8. Utah also finished ranked in 1991, 1993, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998 and 1999 – including top-ten rankings in those latter three years.

In the Mountain West, though, Majerus went 85-31 – winning about 73% of his games. He did manage to win two Mountain West titles (though they were shared, as opposed five outright titles in his final five seasons in the WAC) and finished 2nd in another season.

The postseason, though, Utah struggled. There, he was only 2-3, including his first first round loss in the 2002 season. He never advanced beyond the second round or even produced a team that many expected could sustain a long tournament run.

Utah finished ranked zero times throughout that stretch and managed, though not with Majerus at the helm, to lose at home in the first round of the NIT.

Overall, I don’t think it’s out of place to say the program saw the beginning of its decline under Majerus. To suggest a decline wasn’t there is to suggest the team continued perform at its highest level. However, the team hasn’t been as consistent or as successful since the 2000s started.

Does that mean I wouldn’t take Majerus’ 2000-2004 seasons in a heartbeat now? Of course not – and I said as much in the post. I think any Ute fan would accept that type of quality today.

However, had Majerus taken the ASU job and the guy who replaces him performs similarly over a six season stretch, there is a potential Ute fans are not content with the product. And it’s true, many Ute fans weren’t content even with Majerus at the helm because the team was not a viable tournament contender and we knew it. They never sniffed the top-25, they never were given a seed capable of producing a nice run throughout the tournament and outside of a a good first half against the eventual champion Michigan State in 2000 – there weren’t many memorable tournament games.

Sure, they managed an exciting win over St. Louis – but there were also blowout losses to Indiana and Kentucky.

I think it’s obvious the program was starting to decline, and fast, toward the end of Majerus’ career here. Were we floundering? Not quite – but we pretty much were compared to where the program had been during the best era under Majerus.

Add the high turnover in assistants, Majerus taking an entire season off, Majerus abruptly quitting at the very beginning of the conference season, Majerus’ fight with Lance Allred and then the probation and it’s not hard to see why the program slipped as quickly as it did after, as you mentioned, the 2005 season.

But it’s not like the program was on solid ground before then. It was only a matter of time before the bottom fell out.

by JazzyUte on Feb 19, 2011 4:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Nowhere to go but down.

I meant that 2005 was when Utah stopped competing for the conference title & postseason play every year.

Of course there was a decline after the Sweet 16-Elite 8-Championship game string that Utah put together. It would be almost impossible to maintain that level, especially for a WAC/Mountain West team. Would it be fair to say that the Runnin’ Utes under Majerus were pretty consistent with a huge spike in the 2nd half of the 90s?

Is it even pertinent to think about what if Majerus had accepted the Arizona State job? Where would Utah be if there was no Kentucky?

by Ryp86 on Feb 20, 2011 2:01 AM MST up reply actions  

I think there was even a big difference between 1990-1996 Utah and 1999-2004 Utah...

I mentioned in the article that it was important to point out Majerus’ success with the Utes wasn’t just confined to the 1996-1998 stretch. That was a big part of it, of course, but he had built the program into a dominant one even before then. Like I said, they finished ranked in 1991, 1992 and 1995 – before their run to the national championship game.

The last time Majerus’ Utes finished ranked was 1999.

I also pointed to the success seen at the conference level throughout that stretch compared to what we saw in Majerus’ final years. In the Mountain West, he won two titles and none were outright. Earlier in the 90s, he won three WAC titles and only one was shared.

There was also a Sweet 16 appearance in 1990 and a NIT Final Four in 1992. The program didn’t come close to reaching those heights again until Giacoletti’s first season.

So when I say the program began a decline, it did. And it didn’t just decline to pre-1997 levels. I think it declined worse than that and there was a lot of deep-seated issues within the program that has led us down the path we’re at.

Had Majerus left at the height of his career here, it’s very possible Utah sustains PROLONGED success over a stretch of ten years. I’m not suggesting his replacement would have come in and dominated like the Runnin’ Utes did from 1996-1999 – but I think the program could have done more than it eventually did.

As I mentioned, had his replacement recorded the exact same record and postseason success as Majerus eventually did, I sense fans would have put his feet to the fire. Utah should be better than just producing first and second round tournament losses every few years (though right now, that looks like a dream).

That’s why I think Majerus leaving at the time he did would have potentially helped the program as a whole.

by JazzyUte on Feb 20, 2011 7:40 PM MST up reply actions  

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