The future of the Huntsman Center
I've discussed recently how I feel the Huntsman Center was outdated and that sooner or later the athletics department would have to address its age and tired feel.
Don't get me wrong, the Huntsman Center has great tradition. It's seen some amazing games and hosted arguably the greatest college basketball moment when Bird and Magic met in the championship.
But that's all in the past and right now, the stadium is antiquated and potentially becoming a recruiting liability - similar to how the old Rice Stadium was for the Utah football team.
Granted, the Huntsman Center still has some good years left in its tank and it's nowhere near the hole that wooden mess was by the late 90s. However, if you've attended a Runnin' Utes basketball game the last ten years, you'll notice a complete lack of any type of buzz in the crowd and worse, the arena is often empty.
It's empty because, compared to many other college basketball arenas, it's still fairly large. Its 15,000 seating capacity would make it the largest in the Pac-12 next year and Utah hasn't come close to averaging near that amount since the 90s ended.
Now that they've struggled even worse over the last half-decade, attendance has dipped to its lowest point in the arena's 42 year history.
Yes, sustained winning would dramatically change that and certainly there would be moments where the arena was packed to the rafters. I don't dispute that. However, how convinced are you that Utah would consistently sellout the Huntsman Center over the next ten to fifteen years?
I'm not sure that's possible.
In 1998, when Utah was at the height of its success, they averaged 13,818 fans - over 1,000 less than a sellout.
In 1999, they averaged about 170 more fans. This after their historic run to the national championship game and they still failed to draw an average sellout.
Of course, those numbers are extremely impressive when you compare them to the current state of attendance. Here, Utah is averaging under 10,000 and that is absolutely pathetic - even with how poor the team has played for most of the season.
However, what are the odds Utah basketball can return to averaging close to 14,000 a game? It's possible and I believe if the team were competitive over a longer period than just one season (as has been the case with the last two coaches), attendance would increase sharply. But that isn't the case today. We could be a decade or more away from near-sellouts and if that's what we're dealing with here, I believe gradual increases are pretty much the expectations.
That means next year finishing above 10,000 in attendance and, with the move to the Pac-12 and potentially a new coach roaming the sidelines, that is a reasonable expectation.
But will they ever get back to the glory days when the arena was constantly packed? Well I don't believe that was ever the case in the first place - at least not in the last 30 years.
Case in point: 1994. This was a rebuilding season for Utah and there were some tough losses. The Runnin' Utes didn't look all that impressive, but they had established a winning attitude the past few years prior under Rick Majerus. After all, the Runnin' Utes had gone to the Sweet Sixteen, the NIT Final Four and were coming off a second round appearance at the time of this rebuild. Yet with all that success, which bested pretty much anything Lynn Archibald did at Utah, the Utes only averaged 12,645 fans.
That's a surprising number. It's even more surprising when you realize that they averaged only 237 fans more a year earlier. So even at the beginning of the Majerus era, where he was establishing a respectable program, Utah basketball still struggled at times with crowd sizes.
In fact, here are the average attendance figures for Majerus' first five teams:
| Year | Record | Average Attendance |
| 1990 | 16-14 | 10,395 |
| 1991 | 30-4 | 12,492 |
| 1992 | 24–11 | 14,038 |
| 1993 | 24-7 | 13,230 |
| 1994 | 14-14 | 12,993 |
Those numbers aren't that impressive. Outside of 1992, a year removed from the Sweet Sixteen, Utah basketball was producing fairly average attendance numbers.
Which is surprising because I've been conditioned to believe the program consistently was producing amazing crowds up until recently.
That just isn't the case. In the 1980s, the program wasn't pulling in a staggering amount of fans either. In 1984, 27 years ago, Utah basketball averaged a rather ho-hum 11,341 fans.
But what about the 70s? Certainly they were selling out then, right?
No. In 1978, a year removed from a conference championship and a Sweet 16 run, they averaged a shade over 13,000.
So while attendance was far more stable and stronger than it is today, we have kind of fooled ourselves into believing the program dominated at the ticket gate. They didn't. When the team struggled on the court, they struggled in the stands - which was the case in 1984 when, in Archibald's first season, the Utes went 11-19.
If past Utah basketball teams struggled, on a year-to-year basis, at selling out, or even coming close to sellouts, why should we expect that to change in the future?
It won't. Utah basketball is always going to have to contend with the Utah Jazz and other events around the city. That's just the way it is.
With that understanding, maybe it's time the athletic department look at retraction of the Huntsman Center or a completely new basketball arena. The latter is something many college basketball programs are currently doing because their arenas have proved outdated and a hindrance on recruiting.
Are the Utes losing out on recruits because of the Huntsman Center's age? No. And that's not the point I'm trying to make. I think the Huntsman Center, for its age, has held up pretty well. But I also believe there are massive benefits to either a new arena or a remodel of the current one.
For starters, visiting recruits are well aware of the arena's atmosphere and right now, the Huntsman Center lacks any type of electricity. You know things are bad when you can actually hear Jim Boylen cough on the bench.
A new arena will definitely create buzz. That isn't up for any debate. When you build a new arena, fans will flock to it just because it's something new and they want to get a taste of the experience. Rice-Eccles Stadium, which was much larger in size and capacity than its predecessor Rice Stadium, is evidence of this.
Utah football didn't magically improve from 1997 to 1998. The results were very similar and yet, there was a huge spike in attendance.
So it will happen. Is it sustainable? No, of course not. That newness factor will wear off and fans will become the apathetic creatures they current are and that's just how it is.
But it's a start. It creates excitement and a crown jewel to take recruits to when they visit your school.
We don't have that right now. I can guarantee you most college kids could give a lick about the tradition of our basketball arena. They don't care that 30 years ago both Larry Bird and Magic Johnson performed an epic battle on the hardwood there. That is not important to them. Facilities are, though. This is their institution just as much as it is the fans and they want to take pride in their arena. They want to be blown away by its state of the art everything.
And outside the newly added jumbotron, there is nothing state of the art about the Huntsman Center.
The arena also is probably never going to host a NCAA tournament game again. That's now going to happen a couple miles west at the ESA. They're set to host the first and second rounds in 2013.
More importantly, though, with the discussion of attendance, maybe it's time we start realizing the arena is too big for our program. No one wants to admit that because in doing so, we concede this program isn't a major draw. Sadly, it isn't. There will be games that do draw fans in and certainly sellouts in the future, but on the whole, you can't expect that for a team that plays 16 or so home games a year - many against bad opponents.
A new arena, with a capacity of maybe 12,000, I think would be perfectly fine for a program of Utah's size.
The lower capacity would make it less cavernous when playing in front of sparse crowds and you could set the stands so that the fans are right on top of the court - something similar to what you see in the lower bowl of Energy Solutions Arena. If you've been to a Jazz game, you can see how intimidating the crowd is for this very reason.
Along with a new arena, you could build a connecting basketball facility that is much needed for the program. There are plans for it, but nothing has started yet and no timetable has been set.
Maybe, though, it's not feasible to build an entirely new arena. Maybe the University needs to do what they did at New Mexico with The Pit, which just finished its renovations.
Let's renovate the Huntsman Center. Then you get to keep what has made it such a staple in the Salt Lake community for all these years - but also update it for the 21st Century. We might already have our crown jewel. It just may need a bit of polishing.
The renovation could drop the capacity, update the concourses, the coaching offices and locker rooms, establishing a truly great and modernized arena.
What I would love to see is more natural light in the arena. I've always hated how dark and brutalist the inside of the arena looks. It reminds me of the inside a Cold War era bunker and I think we can open things up a bit. The concourse could be redone with massive lighting and windows that bring in the outside light and if you're lowering the capacity, maybe open up that concourse by doing away with the upper bowl.
This is a crude mockup of what I think could work:
The concourse opens up at the very bottom of the upper bowl. With these massive windows that reach to the dome of the arena, you're bringing in a bunch of new light that will not only fill the concourse, but the entire arena. It will also offer great views of the Wasatch Mountains and the Salt Lake Valley because the arena sits perfectly on a hill.
Capacity would be lowered, but the arena would be far more intimate without losing its charm.
Ultimately, there is nothing down the pike that suggests there is a chance for a new arena or renovation. But it's not a bad idea and certainly in the next decade, as the Huntsman Center closes in on 50, more and more people will wonder if the arena has outlived its usefulness.
Maybe it hasn't. Maybe I'm completely in the wrong here with my belief. But then again, maybe I'm not.
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Interesting post.
I am wondering how you dismiss or downgrade when Utah was attracting 13k in a year. In 1991 (at 12,492), they were 25th nationally in attendance; same in 1993 (at 13,230) and 1994 (at 12,993).
Now, it’s hard to get a read on college attendance and its significance relative to other programs. In the 2008-09 season Utah’s attendance was under 10k, yet still outdrew Duke, UCLA, and Utah St. There’s not a chance in hell Utah’s basketball revenues matched the revenues of those three teams; and no one would claim Utah’s atmosphere is superior.
And I’m not sure sustained winning would sell it out, anyway. BYU has been building a successful program over the last 5 years, and have a top-ten team this year, yet are only averaging 18k in a 22k arena. They averaged over 20k in the early 90’s. It would help, but not to the point of more than 12k, IMO.
Anyway, I agree with you about the Hunty. It isn’t doing the basketball program any good when they haven’t averaged over 11k since Majerus left, yet play in an arena that seats 14,400.
Would the Huntsman family be donating any money for renovations or a new facility?
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 25, 2011 11:38 AM MST up reply actions
I like the window idea
I like the idea of opening up the upper concourse and letting in natural light. But if I had to choose between renovating the Huntsman Center and expanding RES, I would expand the football stadium in a heartbeat. I live out of state, so buying season tickets is not an option for me. I went to the PITT game last year and I had to pay more than double the face value of the tickets I purchased to see the game. Plus if you add 20-30 thousand more rabid screaming Ute fans to what is already there, we would have that much more home field advantage. I vote for Football expansion before basketball.
Box seating would be better than windows.
They improve revenue while windows would make it impossible to get consistent light.
There are so many demands for money that I don’t know that renovation is the best use of money at this point in time.
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by daedalus17 on Feb 25, 2011 2:01 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Unless the Huntsmans do come up with the money for either a new arena...
…or a renovation of the JMHC, I don’t see this happening right away. Maybe once 2013 rolls around when a full share of Pac-12 revenue happens?
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by UtahSilverandBlack on Feb 25, 2011 1:24 PM MST reply actions
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In the heydays of the late 90’s, a good game at the Huntsman Center was far more raucous and spirited than even many playoffs games featuring Stockton and Malone at the DC.
I think it all goes back to winning. Utah has always had very fair weathered fans. The Utes couldn’t sell out a football game until a couple of years ago and would have a hard time in an expanded stadium, especially in down years. Just look at the basketball program, in a traditionally basketball school. The Red Rocks draw huge crowds because they are consistently one of the best programs in the nation. I see people wearing NC Tar Heal hats, and Michigan sweatshirts who have never even been to those states. You don’t see that as much in other places unless the person has actually gone to the school or is at least from the city. It’s still not, and probably never will cool to be a Ute.
The U is also a commuter campus, so going to games isn’t necessarily part of the university experience. Utah alumni really don’t share a common experience with one another, the way students at a school like say, Wisconsin, do. That leads to apathy and lack of school spirit and future interest. There is no bonding element that says, I’m a Ute. Hopefully that will change and more traditions will be built.
I wouldn’t mind a more intimate stadium and stands closer to the court on the sides. That would take a lot of money though, and we all know where the economy is right now. The entire athletic program will need a major upgrade in all areas, if we’re going to hold serve in recruiting, as a member of the PAC12. A little modernization may help, but that costs money, which no one is giving up right now.
Winning and Pac-12 will help.
I’ll tell you right now: consistent winning and Pac-12 affiliation/money will/is going to do wonders for our program in matters of attendance. More fans would be interested and ultimately come to the games if our team was more consistently successful. They’re getting there inch by pain-staking inch. Also, with our new Pac-12 affiliation, we are going to be hosting teams like UCLA, Arizona, Washington, and others all the time (more intriguing match ups to the lay person). Not to mention having a larger arena will make it easier to schedule home and home match ups with big-time non-conference opponents. Our increases in revenue that are coming from the Pac-12 will also help us to improve our facilities. We are not going to build a new basketball arena any time soon. Especially since they built a Trax station next to the LDS institute, which is right by the Huntsman Center. Our only option is to renovate the JHMC so it is up to 21st century standards. I would be in favor of removing some of the upper-bowl seats in favor of luxury suites. I also think that the Muss/Fuss (Section F) section should be moved closer to the floor somehow.
Agreed, Huntsman center is the venue
Trax stop is a big deal. A renovation to remove some seats and add luxury box seating would be nice.
I doubt anything happens soon with$$$ constraints.
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by daedalus17 on Feb 26, 2011 12:55 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Disagree
Although the Huntsman Center may not have a modern look I would argue it is still far better than most arenas in college basketball (especially the PAC-12). The atmosphere there is not the arena’s fault. That is the team’s, the university’s, and the fans’ fault.
I didn’t realize how nice the Huntsman Center was until I went to games at other venues. As far as simply watching basketball, it is a significantly better place to watch a game than many NBA arenas (anyplace where an arena is used for hockey on top of basketbally makes the arena horrible for basketball). A prime example is the Pepsi Center. It is an awful place to watch basketball if you’re behind of the baskets.
Another insufferable JazzyUte post.
I think that the Huntsman Center is a good size because they’ve been averaging like 14,000 attendance lately. “What?” you say. “More than men play in the center,” I reply, although I would be hard pressed to find mention of it on this blog.
http://www.blocku.com/section/Gymnastics
Let’s keep the largest stadium in the Pac-12.
If you find my posts so insufferable, please, stop reading.
I don’t force you to come to Block U and read my intolerable posts.
There was nothing insufferable about my post. I was pretty evenhanded in my discussion about how Utah basketball, even during its glory years, rarely sniffed sellouts.
Maybe you’re fine with the program playing in front of 3,000 empty seats – but I’m not. I think we can create an environment on the Hill that gives our program a lift we haven’t had in years.
Unlike you, I’m not just sitting around thinking of the status quo. I’m actually trying to find reasons to better the program as a whole. How insufferable of me, though!
And if I felt gymnastics was worth covering on this blog, I would. But you know what? In the 5 1/2 years Block U has been around, I can’t recall anyone ever making a fan shot talking about the Red Rocks or even commenting much about their wins.
If I felt there were more interest in the Red Rocks, I would certainly invest more time into it. But I don’t see it and with my time tied to this blog, work and other aspects of life, I can’t do it all.
But that’s just me being insufferable again. Gosh darn that insufferable Jazzy!
by JazzyUte on Feb 28, 2011 1:54 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I’m sorry about the tone, and I agree you’re not quite insufferable, but this post honestly miffed me. You talk about Bird and Magic meeting 30 years ago (neither a Ute), but betray perfect ignorance of ~14000 fans who congregate in the Huntsman Center several times a year.
There are consistently more Red Rocks fans in the Huntsman Center than Running Utes fans, and it’s been that way for a while now. Could it be that your preferences are not shared by everyone? Clearly this is so—someone is in those seats. Why do your empty seats mean more than their filled seats? Because you don’t follow the Red Rocks?
I find that a bit off-putting, that’s all. As if you think the Utes are simply a substitute for professional sports (implied by your moniker, JazzyUte), as opposed to actual college athletes who you might have taken the same OChem class with.
To make my point clear: what if someone suggested cutting the center down to 2000 seats so that the Womens’ Utes wouldn’t play in an empty arena? Would that proposal be…absurd?
I’m fine with building a new stadium, but I don’t think it’s wise to reduce the size of a venue that continues to serve its purpose.
wolfman: I’m not a BYU fan; I just happen to be a Ute who is vaguely aware of my school’s other successful teams.
by SLC-NewEngland on Feb 28, 2011 5:18 PM MST up reply actions
It would be absurd...
Because women’s basketball doesn’t bring in the revenue the men’s game does.
Gymnastics is an important draw, but would decreasing the capacity by 2,000 really subtract from the Red Rocks’ program? I don’t think so.
The Red Rocks draw well. The Red Rocks also have dirt cheap tickets, only six home games and have drawn less than 14,000 most matches this season and a few they’ve dropped into the 12,000 range.
Yes, they outdraw a slumping basketball team, but how dramatic of adjustment would there be for the team if the arena was decreased by three thousand? I’m guessing not much.
My point isn’t to discredit the Red Rocks, but if the only reason we’re keeping a 15,000 seat stadium is because they draw, on average, around 13,000 a game, well that seems a bit extreme. Especially when a 12,000 seat arena wouldn’t be a huge drop off from what they’re seeing and could certainly establish a more intimidating arena for our basketball team.
byu fans in disguise. keep up the good work Jazzy.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 28, 2011 2:20 PM MST reply actions
I doubt they're BYU fans...
But I think fans get so comfortable with something that they hate the prospects of change. It was similar to what we saw in the McBride days. I’m sure many Ute fans felt he was just fine and that a change wasn’t needed. I remember sports radio back then and it was split pretty evenly about whether or not Utah should make a change.
It happens all the time. These Ute fans grew up at the Huntsman Center. It’s all they’ve known and the potential of a new arena, or remodeling the current one, doesn’t sit well with them because it’s discussing dramatic change.
But there is nothing wrong with putting this out there. Obviously my post on Block U doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. But we’ve got to admit there are some major issues with basketball that go deeper, really, than the coaching staff.
Will winning cure a great deal of the attendance issues? Yes. But we also have to realize that even when Utah was winning in the 90s, they weren’t selling out most years. Hell, they were only besting this year’s attendance by a thousand or so.
I think it is a legitimate proposal. Especially when many Pac-12 teams are now getting new arenas or renovating their old ones.
Oregon and SC have opened up new arenas in the last five years. Cal’s arena opened in 1999. UCLA is getting ready to renovate Pauley Pavilion after this season ends. Washington renovated its arena in 2000. Stanford renovated its arena in 2004.
The only programs that continue to play in the original form of their arena are:
Washington State
Oregon State
Arizona
Arizona State
So I think it is a matter of time before we do fall behind a great deal of western programs.
Look, I’m not just talking about renovation to bring capacity down. I’m talking about updating the facility as a whole. The locker rooms, the coaching offices, the lighting, the sound system and, of course, the addition of a basketball facility that doesn’t exist.
I see nothing wrong with those proposals. Especially when many Pac-12 teams are now moving toward a more modernized arena and establishing their own basketball facilities.
So if fans want to call that whining or insufferable, whatever. I’m just trying to throw out ideas to better the basketball program.
The only thing inevitable is change.
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by wolfmanshowlforever on Feb 28, 2011 3:32 PM MST reply actions

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