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The growth of Kyle Whittingham

Back in 2007, I wrote how I felt Kyle Whittingham was a 70/30 coach - a coach who wins a majority of his games, but, for whatever reason, lacks overall consistency. 

At that point in his career with the Utes, Whittingham was 18-13 as a head coach, a mark that wasn't terrible, but far from the ninety-one percent of games won under Urban Meyer and more close to the overall numbers of Ron McBride, who, while good at Utah, consistently underperformed. 

In fact, Whittingham's winning percentage two and a half seasons in was almost identical to that of McBride. For a program that had tasted greatness in 2003 and 2004, it was hard to accept such a dramatic slide in such a short period of time. 

In the two years Meyer was Utah's coach, he went 22-2 and yet, midway through his third season, Whittingham had yet to even hit 20-wins. 

He was more McBride back then than Meyer and, rightfully or not, a good portion of the fan base was becoming restless with the overall situation. It didn't help that, a few weeks earlier, Whittingham's Utes had bottomed out against UNLV and even a solid win over Louisville did little to ease doubts - though, as I mentioned in that '07 post, there was room for optimism. 

Star-divide

Whittingham's problems early in his career weren't necessarily losing to tough and talented teams. He did, in fact, lead the Utes to two improbable victories at the end of his first season over a streaking BYU program that had taken off under a first year head coach and then, in the bowl game, against a ranked Georgia Tech team. 

Even in year two, where the ups and downs were more prominent, he still managed an impressive victory over TCU (one of their only two losses that season) and came within seconds of shocking, for the second straight year, the Cougars.

That loss was about as close as you could ever get to a moral victory and proved to Ute fans that, even with all the difficult defeats, there was potential with the coaching staff. After all, Whittingham was still growing into the job and while Bronco Mendenhall was performing far better at a quicker rate, not all situations were comparable or even the same. 

When the 2007 Utes started 1-3, it appeared the Whittingham era was burying itself quite rapidly. Even though Whittingham was in year three, he was still being dogged by the problems that plagued the teams in his first two seasons and throughout the entirety of McBride's stay here. The last thing Utah fans wanted was to return to the inconsistent play of the 90s. We were supposed to be beyond that. If Meyer's two years taught the program anything, it's that we could win - even dominate. 

But in the first two and a half seasons of Whittingham's career here, that didn't seem likely. It's hard to put a positive spin on 18-13 and 1-3, especially after an undefeated season and BCS bowl win.

Utah faltered badly at times in Whittingham's first three seasons because, regardless of momentum or overall talent-level, they seemed to always stub their toe at the worst possible time. That's what consistently kept Whittingham's Utes from being a truly solid team his first few seasons here. 

Fortunately, after the debacle at UNLV in '07, Whittingham matured as a coach and the Utes did something every good team must do if they're bound for greatness: win against the lesser opponents. 

It sounds easy, right? It should be - but obviously it's not because it was those losses that nearly cost Whittingham his job (okay, I'm speculating here, I don't have a clue how close Whittingham came to losing his job after the UNLV game, though I've got to suspect Chris Hill was close to hitting the panic button, but wanted to wait things out). 

You see, the big difference between a coach like Bronco and Whittingham pre-2008 were those games. Up until last season, the Cougars were remarkably consistent at beating lesser opponents (even in ugly wins) and it helped pad their overall record and give them confidence heading into important games. 

In 2005, though, both Utah and BYU lost to San Diego State. The Utes lost to them at home, in a close contest that came down to the final minutes. The Cougars, down at San Diego, were barely in the game, losing 31-10. 

Bronco, after that loss, was 1-3. Whittingham, after his loss to the Aztecs, was 3-4.

The big difference is that BYU would bounce back and win five of their final six, before dropping their game to Utah and then losing to Cal in the Las Vegas Bowl. 

Likewise, the Utes bounced back after their loss to San Diego State, winning four of their final five. That lone loss, though, came at home to a New Mexico program that, had it not been for that win, would have finished the season with a losing record.

Even ignoring the loss of Brian Johnson in that game, that loss to the Lobos was still unacceptable. It was at home - the Utes held a decent lead at the half and had strong momentum heading into the contest, having tossed around the Wyoming Cowboys 43-13 a week before.

A win there, regardless of what happens to Johnson, and they enter the Holy War on a three game winning streak and already guaranteed a third consecutive bowl game.

But that's not what happened. Instead, the Utes needed one of the biggest shockers in the rivalry's recent history just to give themselves a shot at playing in the postseason.

I don't know if anyone really remembers how close they came to finishing with a losing record. Had that happened, what path does Whittingham take as a head coach? Does he come back from that? 

Moot point, obviously, but it shows you just how important that New Mexico game was and, when the Utes really needed a win against a lesser foe, they lost.

Sure, it's the Lobos and they were a pain in Utah's butt up until Mike Locksley leveled the program worse than we did Dresden during World War II - but it didn't excuse that loss. 

Even before Johnson's injury, the Utes were going down in flames, so that doesn't play into the excuse. 

We forgot about those struggles against average teams that year because of how '05 ended. Yet, the same issue reared its ugly head a year later, with a lopsided loss to an average Wyoming team and then a disaster of a performance again against New Mexico. 

The Wyoming game might be the most perplexing because the Utes were coming off an impressive win over a solid TCU team in Salt Lake City. The Cowboys, even though they had yet to bottom out under Joe Glenn, were not a good team that year, or at least not a team that should be capable of defeating Utah 31-15 - in a game that was actually worse than the final score indicated.

Of Whittingham's 13 losses heading into the midway point of the 2007 season, six came against teams that didn't finish the season with a winning record. Think about that for a second - almost 50% of his defeats came against programs that, even with a win over Utah, couldn't finish above .500. That number is even worse when you consider New Mexico from '05 and UCLA from '06 - two teams that finished only a game above .500. 

Eight losses were to teams that one could classify as mediocre at best. 

That's staggering. That's what kept Whittingham from being an elite coach early in his career. 

Then that changed in 2007. Since losing to UNLV that season, Whittingham is 23-0 against programs with a non-winning record.

His seven losses over that same span have come against BYU (11-2), Oregon (10-3), TCU (12-1), BYU (11-2), TCU (13-0), Notre Dame (8-5) and Boise State (12-1).  

Those teams had a combined record of 69-14. Those aren't bad losses. Sure, some were embarrassing, but outside Notre Dame, every team Utah lost to finished ranked and three played in BCS bowls (Oregon & TCU in '09, TCU in '10). 

Not too shabby. 

So Whittingham finally became that coach I was talking about in my post from a few years ago. I didn't say he needed to be perfect or win 70% of his games (though, now that's actually worse than his overall winning percentage at Utah), I just meant he needed to keep consistent throughout a 12-game schedule.

Prior to 2007, that wasn't the case. Utah would win a game, drop a game and repeat that for the remainder of the season. In fact, '07 was the first year Whittingham really put together a decent winning streak (7). Prior to that, he had won only three games straight (twice, in '06). 

It's allowed him to go from the coach who was 18-13 to 39-7 in three and a half seasons. 

Of course, now comes a different challenge. Whittingham proved, over time, that he could consistently win, but that consistency was built on the backs of a lot of easy competition.

What kept Utah from being elite from 2005-'07 was not their challenging schedule - they were doing well enough in the big games. It was the New Mexicos and Wyomings of the world. 

That's changed. Utah's not going to overpower almost every opponent now because they're far superior. 

I guess that's the next big challenge for Whittingham. He's got to now steer this program in an entirely different direction. Instead of not losing to inferior foes, he's going to have to figure out how to beat BCS-level programs week in and week out. It's not an easy task and the reward for such success is greater than anything Utah could have ever imagined. 

But that's the risk of playing Big Time Football, I guess. 

Whittingham is a very good coach who grew into his job. It was slower than some of us wanted to accept, but the payoff was pretty damn spectacular.

But now comes a different task and that task is not a guarantee. Even great coaches can falter when the competition is stacked, so it'll be interesting to see how Whittingham eases into this new set of challenges.

Hopefully the learning curve isn't too steep.

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Couple of things

First, and semi-unrelated, if beating the defending national champs by 20-plus, as Utah did against Arizona under Majerus to get to the Final Four doesn’t qualify as winning the big one — then there are no big games to be won. Period.

Also, turning down the Tennessee job wasn’t that big of a deal. If you’ve examined Kyle’s coaching history, you could see that coming a mile away.

As for Kyle’s record/growth, it’s really quite simple: Our coaching staff - from Kyle on down -- held us back in 2005. That team was better than 7-5. Kyle did a much better job in 2006 when you consider the holes that team had. We had no running game and serious issues in the secondary (minus Weddle). Making Weddle our short-yardage “closer” at RB won us at least two games. Yeah, Kyle brain-farted with the QBs in the UCLA game, but we were an 8-5 team in talent and on paper.

2007 was injuries. How Kyle and the team responded from that was an incredible job. We had a QB playing at about 75 percent in his throwing arm, got a 1,000-yard season out of a player we were planning on redshirting and lost our top do-everything threat at WR two games in. That we were one play from winning 10 games was nothing short of a miracle.

I said before 2008 that great coaches are able to manufacture luck. Not every season, but once in a while. That happened to Utah in 2008, and we capitalized on opportunities our opponents gave us — the Oregon State and TCU games immediately come to mind.

Since 2007, I might be able to come up with three things Kyle has done that I’ve disagreed with. When you consider how many decisions he’s made over that timeframe, it’s a remarkable rate of contentment from a fan who isn’t afraid to speak his mind. The program is in as good of shape as it has ever been, and Kyle is a huge reason we enter the Pac-12 in the shape that it is in.

by 100ThingsUtah on Aug 24, 2011 1:32 AM MDT reply actions  

Agreed about 2005...

That was a tough, tough season because Utah was a play or two away from potentially finishing with 10-wins.

I remember talking with John Madsen’s dad prior to one of the games during the slump where they had lost to UNC, CSU and SDSU, and he told me Kyle was trying too hard to be like Urban. He worked them to the point where, by the 2nd half of the game, every player was just too exhausted to compete. And it showed, since that year the Utes held some sizable leads in the second half against CSU and TCU and lost both those games. I’m not sure if they led against SDSU, but I remember that game being extremely close in the second half.

It’s been fun watching Kyle grow as a coach. I was probably way too harsh on him at times, but this program grew more the last few seasons under Kyle than it has under any coach in program history (and that includes Urban, who, was just wasn’t here long enough).

by JazzyUte on Aug 24, 2011 2:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

First yes, beating Arizona with 4 future NBA players was a big deal and a great win. I recorded that game and have watched it a number of times. But we could have beat Kentucky that year too. Utah as in years past lost once again to Kentucky. To be consistent, you mention we underachieved in 2005 with Coach Whit, well we underachieved with Coach Majerus during our the 1998 basketball season when we could have won the NCAA basketball title. We led at halftime of that game and were the better team.

Second, turning down the Tennessee job was no big deal?? Says who? Based on EMPIRICAL data and not just some snap statement, many, many Coaches have left for more money and more prestige. Urban Meyer left. Rick Majerus constantly was in the rumor mill about stepping up. Former Utah President David Gardner left to run the UC system. Brady Hoke, Dan Hawkins, blah, blah….The list goes on and on. There are a small majority of people that stay because of lower pay and Coach Whit is one!

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 24, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

What's with your team declaring itself future Conference Champions?

I just came on here to Welcome you all to the Conference of Champions, the Legendary PAC-10 PAC-12. But I come on here and you are already declaring yourself future champs? This has to be a joke right? How in the world do you even know how you will do here? You have not even played one game in the PAC yet. In case you did not get the memo my school has won 2 back to back PAC titles. And you will be playing in a Conference with no game off. Each single week will be brutal hard. Yes you have a easy schedule by missing UO and the Furd this year however, you would still have to play at the team who has the best record for a title game and that will be UO. Good luck beating UO at home. lol But before declaring yourself anything yet, or future anything yet. How about you play a game in our Conference first, then speak. I unlike others are glad we picked you to join us. I like you because you beat Bama. Any team that beats the SEC is a friend in my book. However, trumping yourself as Champs, or future ones, when it has not even been seen yet will earn the scorn of the rest of the Conference. Just saying…

And keep in mind. The PAC used to be called the PCC, Pacific Coast Conference. Oregon is one of it’s charter members. The schools of Oregon, OSU, UW, Cal met in Portland in the early part of the last Century to form this Conference. WSU, Stanford, UCLA, USC were added later. Thus the Conference was formed while in Oregon. Oregon is is one of 4 Charter members. And Oregon currently is two times Champion of the PAC. If you wish to be Champion, you are going to have to beat us first. And good luck with that. lol Regardless, Welcome to the Conference of Champions! Earn your keep by beating other teams Out of Conference. If not, you will be the joke of the PAC, ala WSU. Good luck Utes. Quack-Quack

Gang Green Yell-O

by DucksflyinPAC on Aug 24, 2011 6:04 AM MDT reply actions  

Who said that?

I haven’t seen anyone say that.

The vast majority of Ute fans would be tickled with a division title.

by BoylenOver on Aug 24, 2011 6:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Jazzy's Banner

“Block U – Home to the future Pac-12 champion Utah Utes and all their classless fans!”

Those of us familiar with this site and it’s creator understand the tongue in cheek – but also that we do fully expect that sometime in the not too distant future we can and will be PAC12 champs. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but someday. Wait! that sounds familiar.

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson

by uteowl on Aug 24, 2011 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

It's an eventuality. No one is proclaiming we'll win it THIS year.

Who knows it may take a decade or two but over the long haul almost every team in the conference will win it once. Even Washington State has won a Pac-10 championship for crying out loud.

by NC Ute on Aug 24, 2011 7:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

On the other hand. Arizona has never won the Pac 10 title since becoming a member in 1978. That’s 33 years and counting.

by rare bear on Aug 24, 2011 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

sorry, I just looked up past history. Arizona did share a Pac 10 title.

by rare bear on Aug 24, 2011 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

Arizona didn’t play in the Rose Bowl that year.

by rare bear on Aug 24, 2011 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Settle down!

No need to get your panties in a wad. Where is your sense of humor? Geesh!

by uteusmc on Aug 24, 2011 7:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

??

Who said that? Most Utah guys I know don’t talk trash. We ARE IN the Conference of Champions.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 24, 2011 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

It's the blog's tagline...

“Block U – Home to the future Pac-12 champion Utah Utes and all their classless fans!”

by Thlete on Aug 24, 2011 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

He got the second part of that statement right

But get real: BYU will have two national titles before Utah even comes close to winning another bowl game.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yawn.

Nice smack talk.

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

Sort-of-daily sort-of-funny sort-of-thoughts at danoftheday.com

by CrimsonUte on Aug 24, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

No, that is not nice smack talk

What that 12-year-old posted was total and complete Troll Fail

by kadoogan on Aug 24, 2011 10:55 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hence the yawn

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

Sort-of-daily sort-of-funny sort-of-thoughts at danoftheday.com

by CrimsonUte on Aug 25, 2011 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

Look at the top of this website

As it says, “Block U- Home to the future PAC-12 Champion Utah Utes…” only a half inch above the links “home”," FanPost", “FanShots” at the very top of this website. With such a declaration you are going to incur the scorn from the rest of your PAC-10 brothers who invited you in this great Conference, just saying… Win something, then declare something… just saying.

Gang Green Yell-O

by DucksflyinPAC on Aug 24, 2011 7:01 AM MDT reply actions  

Afraid of a little competition

Utah has won something. They are actually 7-3 over their last 10 games against Pac-10 foes. Granted that’s different than week in and week out. They also have more BCS bowl victories than your beloved ducks, who have seemed to falter the last two years.

That being said, would you rather have a team with a fan base who says “Yay we’re in the Pac-12, hopefully we can compete”, or would you rather have a team joining your conference who inspires their fan base enough to proclaim that at some point in the future they WILL be Conference Champions.

Look nobody here is delusional enough to think we’re going to come in and dominate, but you damn well better believe we all think we’re going to be competing in the South really quickly, and competing for that Conference Championship in the next few years.

If our little banner has you upset, seems like you might not be as secure about your Ducks place in the pantheon as you’d like us to believe.

Just realized I’m feeling a little feisty this morning.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 24, 2011 7:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

you are an imbecile.

and a troll, and frankly, a less than amusing one at that. please go away.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions  

Geez, calm down everyone

Why is it arrogant to say Utah will win the conference in the future? Every school in the Pac-10 did. (See list here.) The only school that didn’t win an outright conference title was Arizona, who was in a three-way tie in 1993.

Granted, the Pac-12 is a different animal – two more teams and a championship game – but it’s a pretty safe bet that over time each conference member will at least make the CCG, if not win it. Forgive us for believing that’s an achievable goal.

Dolphins and sharks are natural enemies. Dolphins are like, "Quit eating us," and sharks are like, "Stop smiling all the time, you morons."

Sort-of-daily sort-of-funny sort-of-thoughts at danoftheday.com

by CrimsonUte on Aug 24, 2011 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is who the Yewts are...

a small, obnoxious, fair weather fan base. If you religious bigots had made the choice 20 years ago to include BYU (which is a much better school, by the way) we would have probably won multiple conference titles and possibly 4 or 5 national titles in your conference.

Oh and if you don’t believe me, half of the Yew alumni are BYU fans. That ought to show you established Pac 10 members who really is the better school.

Max Hall was right. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

by Y1984 on Aug 24, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

hehehe

Can’t even make it through the WAC or the MWC undefeated… but… oh never mind. This is just silly.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 24, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions  

Can't refute a single point I made

Now that’s just silly but not surprising from a Yewt who I’m sure is a closet BYU fan.

In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

by Y1984 on Aug 24, 2011 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

points

You didn’t make any. You surmised that in a fictitious universe in which BYU was considered desirable by the Pac-10 or 12, they would have leveled the competition.

I refuted all of the ‘points’ you made, it was just so easy to do I didn’t even need a whole sentence.

I’m a fan of BYU’s art museum, and you guys have some great graduate research programs, but I get tired of the sanctimony from the football fans.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 24, 2011 11:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

No, you ignored every single one of them

—BYU belonged in the Pac 10/12. That should have happened at the latest in the mid 1990s, but religious bigotry kept us out. Didn’t respond to it.

—Half of Yew alums are BYU fans. Can’t refute the truth there, can you?

—Max Hall was right. You hated him because he told the truth about you.

Sorry refutation isn’t your strong suit.

In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

by Y1984 on Aug 24, 2011 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

This is a fake troll.

No real LDS BYU fan would end his posts “in the name of Jesus Chris, amen.” Sure he’s a troll, but he’s not a BYU fan.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 24, 2011 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good catch!

Those pesky pseudo-trolls.

The sad part is that it’s harder and harder to tell the real BYU trolls from the fake ones. If it weren’t for that last part, what they’re saying is what I’ve heard for years now.

by JazzyUte on Aug 24, 2011 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions  

that was the feeling I got as well.

He is unlike the Utah-fans-masquerading-as-BYU-fans on the Des News because he seems to actually have zoob arguments. Jazzy, i think a ban in this case would be appropriate.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Right

Closing with the Lord’s name so often while trash talking is total blasphemy and no real BYU fan (or LDS person) would do such a thing

by Thlete on Aug 24, 2011 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Being offensive, rude and unkind is an affront to your faith

You are obviously trying to pick a fight, not debate anything logical. Your probably the same guy that got blocked a few minutes ago. Go to the Deseret News or SLTrib where inane trash talk is the standard. He we back up statements with facts.

For example, I would refute your argument about LDS Ute fans like this:

Here:
http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/56347/Lifelong-Ute-Scholarship-established-in-Elder-Wirthlins-name.html

and here:
http://brookejensen.blogspot.com/2009/11/really-max-really.html

Also the majority of LDS leaders (say the top 15 in the church) have graduated from the UofU.

If you want to spout nonsense leave please.

by JoeBountiful on Aug 24, 2011 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Spout whatever rationale you like

But BYU is the school for members of the Church. Everyone who is a member that doesn’t attend school there is risking their worthiness and righteousness. Deal with it, sir.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 3:42 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

joe

he is clearly a buffoon who is just trying to get a reaction. he doesn’t believe what he says and Jazzy will be along shortly to ban him.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Surely you jest?

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson

by uteowl on Aug 24, 2011 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey white trash, here's another tip

Evidence isn’t necessary when it’s common knowledge. Everyone knows who the real football program is in this state. Here’s a hint: it’s one that has a real national title, numerous All-Americans, a Heisman and Outland Trophy winner, and is one of the Top 20 winningest programs in the past 30 years.

Here’s another hint: it’s not Utah.

By the way, US News and World Report ranked the best colleges and look at who is in the Top 100. Hint, its not Utah

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/page+8

Now take your glorified community college to the telestial kingdom where it belongs. Go Cougs!

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 12:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Really? You created a new log in for this? #Weaksauce. BYU trolls are pathetic.

real national title
ROFLMAO

by NC Ute on Aug 24, 2011 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Mr Ducky...

You’re the one… you make bathtime… kinda lame…

Mr Ducky, you’re the one for me!

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 24, 2011 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ron McBride 2.0

That was the label my group of friends used with Whit. In fact we didn’t really remove that label from him, until he pulled a player off the field, in I believe the ’08 Holy War, who was about to get us a 12 man penalty.

As much as I love and respect Coach McBride, it wasn’t a compliment, and Jazzy did a good job pointing out why.

Unfortunately those tendencies showed up in Whit’s very first game as Head Coach, the one against Arizona in ’05, not the Fiesta Bowl that was retroactively made his first game.

Utah should have dominated Arizona. Instead we stumbled, struggled, and let them hang around before winning late in the 4th.

Couple things that made the UNLV debacle so embarassing, other than, you know, being shut out 27-0 by UNLV, was that it was coming off of the heels of dismantling UCLA.

Add into the fact that UNLV’s coach was Mike Sanford, the very same Sanford that was our OC during Urban’s two years. It was a reminder of what we had been, and what we now seemed to be missing with Whit. Sanford rubbing it in, only made it worse. Sanford helped orchestrate our greatest (up to that point, now it’s an argument between ’04, and ’08) team in history. We were seeing what could have been slip through our fingers.

Hindsight being 20/20 and all, the UNLV debacle was, in my opinion, the greatest thing to happen to the Whit era. Whit changed that day. But as soon as the clock hit all naughts, I began wondering who we’d get to replace Whit next season, and whether there was any residual national goodwill from the Urban era, that might get us someone who was respected, or if we were going to have to go back to the Bowling Green type route.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 24, 2011 8:00 AM MDT reply actions  

I still talk to people around here

that think Kyle is McBride 2.0, 08 season notwithstanding.

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by UtahSilverandBlack on Aug 24, 2011 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

great post

this is sure to make it into Ted Miller’s Lunchtime links.

I remember that 2006 game against wyo. Was working at the U. bookstore at the time and the game was being played over the speakers in the store. As that game wore on, I got more and more frustrated. What a joke! I am glad we have moved past those days.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 8:17 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't know how

Anyone could give him less than an A+. He’s been the coach for a significant chunk of the last decade, and we have been one of the (roughly) top 10 programs in the nation for that decade (going by record, BCS bowl appearances, OOC schedule kind of stuff, this statement is not intended to spark a debate with BYU trolls or the bath toy guy). He took a couple years to get on his feet, but that’s completely normal, particularly when you consider the talent lost in ’04.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 24, 2011 11:01 AM MDT reply actions  

mmmm... these word taste good....

I was pretty hard on Whit the first few years. It just seemed like we had gone back to McBride, good but never spectacular and after the thrill ride Urban gave us, I wasn’t content with that anymore. I declared that Whit would never achieve an undefeated spectacular season like Urban did. I happily ate my words in 2008…. I guess you can’t judge a book by the first few chapters… Go Utes!

so there

by Steamboat Billy on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM MDT reply actions  

Please do not feed the trolls.

by DallasUte on Aug 24, 2011 11:14 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Truth hurts

That’s why SNOT fans respond.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sometimes...

The best argument against a troll is simply to let them troll. Kind of like how the best argument against Nancy Grace is her show.

Put another way, Res instigo loquitur (roughly, “The troll speaks for itself.”)

by DallasUte on Aug 24, 2011 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent Illustration of the Turnaround

The UNLV aftermath was definitely when Kyle figuratively grew the beard. And now he needs to grow the literal one back. ( Fair warning, that site may consume the rest of your day. )

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Aug 24, 2011 11:39 AM MDT reply actions  

to fellow fans

First of all, I made the mistake. I fed the troll. That said, the oregon fan signed up yesterday. If you look at his profile, he has joined several blogs just to rattle the cage. If he keeps it up, Jazzy will ban him. In the meantime, dont bother responding. He has nothing to contribute and is just here to cause problems.

The BYU fan is clearly a troll bent on causing trouble. No doubt he will be banned on his next post, or he won’t post anymore. Either way, lets ignore him.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 11:43 AM MDT reply actions  

But you can't because you're eternally obsesses with us

Face it, you’re defined by us and you always will be. Little brother syndrome at its finest.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 12:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

you’re eternally obsesses with us

He says while commenting on our boards…hmmm…something…doesn’t…seem…right…

by NC Ute on Aug 24, 2011 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson

by uteowl on Aug 24, 2011 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

See above

I hereby incorporate by reference my comment of 11:46am.

by DallasUte on Aug 24, 2011 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

thats awesome.

and so true. Sometimes you jsut have to let these guys embarass themselves.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 12:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

dude

Seriously, go comment on how great it is to be independent. Just remember that independence means nobody likes you.

by Classless Ute on Aug 24, 2011 1:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Everyone knows how great we are, its common knowledge

Nobody except people who go to Check City more than twice in their lives knows or cares about the Utes.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 1:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Even if that were true

It still doesn’t mean anyone likes you. A crap sandwich is still crap.

by Classless Ute on Aug 24, 2011 2:27 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Too bad Larry Scott didn't see right through your hollow little selves

Then he would have overcome his own religious prejudice and invited a real school: BYU.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 3:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

ha ha

You’re the one on another blog calling us names and we are hollow? We may be hollow, but our hollow selves still got invited to the Pac 12 while your “real” school didn’t. I like to see your jealousy.

by Classless Ute on Aug 24, 2011 4:45 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Res instigo loquitur

Please see above regarding “res instigo loquitur.” I think this comment calls for it.

Why? Because for reasons best known and understood only by himself, the troll thought it best to base his latest, withering attack on the rapidity and frequency with which BYU fans reproduce. Really? Procreation? The fact that the lives of many BYU fans resemble the family from “19 Kids and Counting” isn’t quite the devastating shot at Utah he thinks it is…

by DallasUte on Aug 24, 2011 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why would we need to reproduce

When half of your own alums are BYU fans? Even alums of your sorry community college know what a piece of trash you are.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 3:50 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

BYU4than18

Jazzy will be on sometime this afternoon, and you will be banned, again. I wonder how many times you will create a new email so that you can sign up again.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 1:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Until everyone realizes that your school and program is a fraud

Show me your national championships and then I’ll shut up. Until then, go back to West Valley and cook some more meth

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 1:53 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

i gotta admit

your lame stand up comedy routine is pretty funny. please continue with the lame put downs. Check City? West Valley to cook some meth? What comes next, alcohol abuse smack?

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 24, 2011 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

At least you find the truth about the Utes sorry lot in life funny

Your next step is to repent and root for the Cougars.

by BYU4thand18 on Aug 24, 2011 3:48 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

You tried to join the WAC

Shut up.

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by UtahSilverandBlack on Aug 24, 2011 7:27 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Hey Jazzy

Is there a way to block posts based on black-listed words or phrases? Seems like we could avoid a lot of trolling that way. Just filter out anything that says:

-yewts
-BYU National Championship
-1984
-little brother
-bigotry
-Max Hall
Etc.

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 24, 2011 2:06 PM MDT reply actions  

1984

Well there goes my ability to reference George Orwell and the Honor Code.

by H2O_UTE on Aug 24, 2011 2:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nice post

Some coaches are just great recruiters. Some are X’s and O’s guys.

Urban was something special. He knew that game of football from a marketing, historical, and national perception standpoint. Remember when the 2004 Texas A&M home game was slated as the biggest game in 100 plus years of Utah football history.

Meyer got the fans to buy in and be excited. He created belief and confidence. He charged out of the tunnel and stood in front of the Muss and called them out for not being loud enough. Acting disappointed with their second reaction, they grew louder and louder into a frenzy. He built the excitement in the stadium and he Utes came out swinging with some deep routes. He had the “it” factor.

Kyle definitely grew into his roll. His steady and calm demeanor has the program at unparalleled heights, three-10 win seasons in a row including and undefeated season and BCS bowl win over the SEC runner-up. That is unheard of around these parts.

Utah is growing and getting better local high school players and a stronger regional and national name. Utah definitely coaches up but will now have access to more talent. Kyle is a defensive coach. I think with Chow directing the offense, things will get better with play calling and management. Now we’ll just need to add some depth.

by UteinBrooklyn on Aug 24, 2011 3:19 PM MDT reply actions  

Rounded Edges

I agree. I believe that Kyle is now definitely a polished coach. Watching his interviews at the Pac-12 meetings, reinforced that notion.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 24, 2011 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why are some of you even talking to a zoob/faux-zoob troll?

Ignore, ignore and ignore ‘em some more. Even the most decent zoobs rarely write anyhting worth reading, so why bother reading/responding to an obvious dumbshit? Here’s the deal: Utah is in the Pac 12, BYU isn’t. TDS just doesn’t matter to us anymore. Move on, go pick a fight with CU, Furd or Cal. Those guys are fun and leave righteousness and Jesus out of it.

by -FeloniousMonk on Aug 24, 2011 6:06 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

you know jazzy

I’m a member of the church and I’m a U of U fan and I find these statements about how I’m betraying my faith very offensive. Since like you I have many memories with the university with some family members who have passed away.

And besides it has been nice without many trolls. We haven’t had one that bad since the boisie state game if I’m correct.

And with the Kyle well I didn’t become a fan until 2007 when my cousin joined the team.

And to the trolls please be courteous to people and their faith and schools. We all have a right to an opinion please be considerate.

Haha I’m rambling again

Are you sure he was safe? It looked like an out to the entire statium. Well bad call Blue.

by Alavel on Aug 24, 2011 10:44 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

And to the trolls please be courteous to people and their faith and schools. We all have a right to an opinion please be considerate.

They’re TROLLS, what you’re asking them to do is to NOT BE TROLLS. Might as well ask the grass not to grow. The only way to deal with them is ignore them (or for Jazzy to ban them). They’re not here to discuss things courteously. Those people are “fans” or “message board posters”. Trolls have an entirely different agenda.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 25, 2011 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

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