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Montana State @ Utah


Next Game


 

It's game week. 

Those are three words I've wanted to type for months now and it feels pretty good to finally say it.

After all the talk, projections, speculation, hype, camp, injuries, coaching changes and even a conference change, Utah is ready to begin the 2011 season. 

It's going to be an experience unlike anything we've ever seen before at Utah and though the ride could prove rocky at times, I'm sure it's going to be worth it.

That ride begins this Thursday against Montana State, an opponent that doesn't even belong to the same division as the Utes.

Game over, right? 

Not so fast. 

Star-divide

If history has taught us anything (well except that George Washington crossed the Delaware River), it's that you can't take a FCS school for granted. Just ask Ole Miss and Virginia Tech - two BCS teams last year that lost, at home, to programs from the Football Championship Subdivision. The Hokies' loss wasn't even to a good FCS team - as James Madison finished the year 6-5. The Rebels could never rebound after their defeat and finished the year with only four wins. 

It can happen here. It has happened here. You have to go all the way back to 1993, of course, but it has happened. In that season, the Utes, fresh off the school's first bowl appearance in a generation, lost, at home, to the Idaho Vandals. At the time, the Vandals, coached by former Utah Stater John L. Smith, were Division 1-AA. They were actually good, too, making the D 1-AA semifinals that year. The Utes weren't bad, either. They upset BYU down in Provo (their first win there in over 20 years) and took USC to the wire in the Freedom Bowl. 

So even a good Utah football team found a way to lose to a lesser foe.

Of course, those were in the early years of the Ron McBride era and the Utes certainly have come along way. 

This year should be different.  We're well beyond that type of performance. 

But like that '93 squad, this year's Utah team will be playing a very good FCS school. Montana State made the playoffs last year and open this season ranked 6th in the FCS Coaches' Poll. 

They're led by quarterback DeNarius McGhee, a sophomore who completed 62.7% of his passes last season and threw for 3,163 yards. He had a fantastic freshman campaign, leading the Bobcats to 9 wins and a playoff appearance against North Dakota State. In that game, McGhee and Montana State actually held a 17-14 lead heading into the fourth quarter, however, a dislocated shoulder sidelined the quarterback in the final quarter and the Bobcats bowed out ungracefully in a 42-17 laugher. 

It was a disappointing end to fourth year head coach Rob Ash's best season.

Fortunately, McGhee and Montana State will get a second chance. This year is widely expected to be Ash's best team since he arrived Bozeman in 2007, though there are some questions.

The defensive line lost three starters, including Dan Ogden, the All-Big Sky tackle from a year ago. He'll be replaced by Zach Minter, a junior. 

Montana State also must find a replacement for James Andrews, the senior cornerback who was ruled academically ineligible for 2011. Adding to the uncertainty of the secondary were the losses of safeties Jordan Carney and Michael Rider, who graduated after last season. 

Offensively, beyond McGhee, Cody Kirk is listed as the starting running back heading into the season, though he saw limited action last year. He replaces Orenzo Davis, who was the leading rusher in 2010, after he was ruled academically ineligible heading into this season. 

Even with all the questions surrounding Montana State, they still enter '11 as one of the more talented teams at the FCS level. How that transfers to a game against Utah, or even compares to a middle of the pack FBS team, is unclear. It should be pointed out that, at the start of last season, the Bobcats nearly knocked off Washington State in Pullman, losing that game by a mere point. 

In 2006, they ruined Dan Hawkins' debut at Colorado by beating the Buffaloes 19-10 in Boulder. So this team certainly has the ability to not only play with the Big Boys, but also beat the Big Boys. Of course, the Cougars finished 2-10 last year, as did Colorado in 2006 - so they're not very comparable examples to the Utes. 

For Utah, they enter this contest with just as many questions, if not more, than the Bobcats. Both programs lost their quarterback for the final game due to a shoulder injury and both programs have questions in the secondary and in the backfield, but of course, expectations are far greater for the Utes heading into this one. 

They can't lose. They can't even barely win. They've got to dominate this game. Anything less and there would be more questions than any of us would like heading into one of the biggest games of the season. 

Montana State, though, well they don't need to win this game. Their season won't be lost in defeat. While I doubt any player that lines up for the Bobcats this Thursday is expecting a loss, there is a high probability of that happening. 

Because of this, there is little to lose and a whole lot to gain from their point of view. Even keeping the game competitive midway through the fourth quarter would be a huge opportunity for Montana State. And, based on their history alone, this does appear to be a team that can keep things competitive. If that's the case, anything then can happen and with an uncertain offense, questions surrounding the offensive line and a quarterback that spent all winter, spring and most of summer rehabbing his arm, a perfect storm could result in, as much as we want to dismiss the idea, a potential ugly win and worse, an even uglier loss. 

This isn't a prediction, mind you, but a potential outcome if Utah takes this team too lightly. They're too good at what they do for the Utes to just walk through this contest with their eyes squarely set on the Trojans.

That game can wait. Because this week, it's Montana State and no one else.

Utah wins if...They play up to their potential and don't overlook the Bobcats. No disrespect intended for Montana State, but this is a game Utah has no business losing. 

Montana State wins if...The Utes have an ugly, turnover plagued offensive performance that stems from a lack of consistency on the offensive line and a quarterback whose injury continues to be an issue.

What should happen...This game will not be pretty at times. I expect some difficulty as the Utes transition to a new offense. Of course, that should last no more than a quarter (if that) and once Utah gets rolling, they never look back. I am not going to dismiss Montana State, with their recent history only a fool would do so, so this is more about my confidence in Utah getting it done. I think the Utes control this game and win rather decisively 48-10.

What are your predictions? 

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This game..

will give us a good opportunity to see how well the Utes can move the ball on offense. I think 48 may be a little steep but hey what do I know?

38-7 UTAH!

by UTalkintome? on Aug 28, 2011 11:42 PM MDT reply actions  

No one knows, really...

We have little to go on because it’s the first game of the season,

I say 48 because:

1. Utah’s offense pretty much bulldozed every mediocre opponent last season. Montana State may be a good FCS team, but they’re closer to CSU than they are to Utah and in that regard, the offense shouldn’t struggle too much.

2. Utah put up 45 points in ‘06 on Northern Arizona. These Utes should have more firepower than those Utes. In fact, Utah has scored less than 40 against FCS teams only twice since the McBride era kicked off: Idaho in ’93 (L) and Weber in ’08 (W). Since, they’ve scored 66 (‘94), 52 (’01) and 45 (’06).

They did only score 37 against Weber, but I think the circumstances surrounding that game were far more complex than Thursday’s. Utah built a comfortable lead and then mailed it in. Probably because of who they were going up against (McBride).

So, 48 seems reasonable to me. But, like you said, what do we know?

by JazzyUte on Aug 28, 2011 11:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Utah also had a short week coming up after Weber State

Oregon State was the next game, and it was on a Thursday. OSU had played the previous game (USC) on a Thursday so they had a whole week to prepare.

by Ute in DC on Aug 28, 2011 11:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point...

They were also coming off a difficult win over AFA, so it was kind of sandwiched between a hard-fought victory and one of the biggest games of the season.

by JazzyUte on Aug 29, 2011 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't Discount the McBride Effect

Not that Coach Mac had developed a world beater that year (it was one of his better ones IIRC), but there is no way Coach Whit was going to show up the man that did so much for him. And frankly, as a fan, I was fine with that.

Beat them, but no need to run up the score. Some things are more important than national rankings.

by U of Uman on Aug 29, 2011 12:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

If Montana State gets 10 points,

it’s going to be off the offense (or maybe special teams). I don’t see this Ute defense letting them move down the field.

I also agree with the 48 by Utah but I think at least 14 of it will be scored by the defense.

by Daver321 on Aug 29, 2011 12:49 AM MDT reply actions  

"While I doubt any player that lines up for the Bobcats this Thursday is expecting a loss"

Don’t want to be nitpicky but I don’t think that all of our teams opponents this Thursday are thinking they will come into our house and beat us. And those that think they will win I hope we deliver a message early in the game to give them little hope.

by utahmanami on Aug 29, 2011 4:10 AM MDT reply actions  

Montana State vs Utah

I don’t make predictions because I can’t see into the future. However, I am anticipating a hard fought game and a good start for the Utes. I hope that both teams come out to play and give the fans an enjoyable battle. I shall see because I’ll be watching.

by Duane Helms on Aug 29, 2011 5:13 AM MDT reply actions  

You're worrying way too much about Utah

This is not the same 2010 Utes that struggled in a deep funk to end the season. It’s a new team, with new coaches, a new offense, new philosophy, and a chip on their shoulder.

Utah has upgraded at running back. Yes, upgraded. Wide and Asiata were capable, but I believe our running corps this year blows them out of the water. Don’t believe me? Watch and see.

Wynn is a junior. He’s shown us in the past that he’s a good quarterback. With another year of experience under his belt, he’s gonna be much better this year.

Our defense will play shut down football against mediocre/bad teams, and play competitive defense against good teams.

Thursday’s game versus Montana State is gonna be a laugher. Utah will beat them by at least 40 points, with most of those points scored before the half.

I don’t want Utah to look past Montana State, but I am.

No way we lose this game.

No way it’s even close.

No way.

by TomahawkRed on Aug 29, 2011 6:44 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't think I'm gonna say anything that hasn't been said but...

I think this game turns out a little like the game against unlv in 2008. We get caught looking ahead in the first quarter and find ourselves scoreless and instead of two opponents touchdowns as was the case with Unlv, Montana state will score a couple FGs. Then we wake up in the second quarter and start the butchery. I think more players are psyched for the usc game than we are led to believe. But I predict a solid comfortable win. 56-6 Utes.

by Oregon Ute on Aug 29, 2011 8:10 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

And by no means

was I suggesting that Utah was looking ahead against unlv to Utah state lol. Just that we started out in that game really slow, but then ripped it open after the second quarter:)

by Oregon Ute on Aug 29, 2011 8:21 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I love the first couple lines of this article....

YES! football season is HERE!!!!!

If I am looking at the last 5 openers, they go like this:

’06 L to UCLA (road) we were intimidated, outcoached and thoroughly outplayed.

‘07 L to Oregon State (road) I still believe we win that game if Matt Asiata and BJ aren’t hurt in the first quarter. Our offense looked sharp and it would have been fun to see.

’08 W Michigan (road) this game was ugly and if I remember right, we kicked a bunch of field goals. Still, it was impressive to go into the big house and come out victorious.

’09 Utah State (home) breaking in a new QB. Defense allowed a HUGE td run and a few other bone head plays. We win comfortably. Terrance Cain throws a billion slant routes and David Reed makes him look good.

’10 Pitt (home) offense looks sharp at times; boneheaded mistakes (mostly by one Antoine Smithson) prevent us from winning comfortably. Whitt drives entire fan base crazy with timeouts at end of regulation. Brian Blechen becomes a household name.

I think there will be some boneheaded plays, but I think by and large, we should be ok and win this one comfortably. Hopefully, we can crush their hope by half time.

GO UTES!

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 29, 2011 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

I see

33-9

   Whit has never been a put up 50 kind of guy, I think we’ll be running out the clock for the second half. That said, I expect a clearly dominant first half, highlighted by deep passes to wide-open receivers. Our guys should be able to outrun their guys, and I don’t foresee pass protection falling apart.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 29, 2011 9:06 AM MDT reply actions  

Say what?

“Whit has never been a put up 50 kind of guy”??? So, did you miss just last year when the Utes went for 50+ points 4 out of 5 games in a row (56, 56, 68, 59)?

Even after we put in backups in the 2nd half, those guys are gonna want to prove themselves and make the most of the playing time. The score is going to be run up thoroughly.

by Thlete on Aug 29, 2011 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agreed...

Whittingham’s Utes have scored 50-plus points in the following games:

50: Wyoming, ’07
56: SJSU, New Mexico ’10
58: USU, 08
59: CSU, ’10
63: SDSU, ’04
68: Iowa State, ’10

Seven times in his career he’s put up fifty or more points. Three times they did it last year.

To put that into perspective, McBride, who coached here 13 years, had the same amount in seven extra seasons.

by JazzyUte on Aug 29, 2011 1:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

But Not Against FCS Opponents

I think that’s what Joe was going for.

And I may be wrong, but I believe in many of those games, a fair amount of points were scored by the second and third string players. And if your third string is scoring, there’s no way NOT to run up the score unless you tackle yourself.

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Aug 29, 2011 1:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Well, Whittingham has only coached against two FCS schools...

NAU (where Utah dropped 48) and Weber (where there were facing McBride).

I agree Whittingham is not the type to run up the score. However, there’s a difference between being the type of coach who is extremely conservative and one who allows the offense to produce ridiculous numbers.

I pointed out McBride because only seven times did he score 50-plus in his career here. Much of that happened early in his career when Rick Rasnick was his OC. When Rasnick left, though, the offense went into the type of offense it seems Joseph is expecting – a very run-oriented offense that grinded it out against most teams and was content with a bruising 28-17 win.

Of course, not even I predicted 50-plus points Thursday. So I don’t know why we’re looking at 50 as the golden number here.

Whittingham won’t run up the score. But his teams haven’t shown the ability to be low-scorers, either.

by JazzyUte on Aug 29, 2011 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

I was taking your Mac reference more along the lines that he just couldn’t get that many points out of his offense. Kyle has definitely been able to, he just doesn’t try. Granted, if it happens it happens and I don’t think he’s sorry about it. Well, maybe the WY game, but I still don’t think I’m sorry about that one. Maybe I should be.

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Aug 29, 2011 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure

He was trying to run up the score against Wyoming… and they deserved every yard.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 29, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

as a complete side note

I have always wanted to see a team punt on first down in that situation. I mean, your defense gets a stop, you are up by 40+ in the fourth quarter and you send the punt team out there and just boot it away.

Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....

by BigBenSportsGuy on Aug 29, 2011 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tricky Slope

If that happens, how does the opposing team take it? Do they feel you’re being condescending to them, even if you’re not?

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Aug 29, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I think everyone is on point here. I’m not saying the team can’t put up the points, but I think he tends to shy away from smashing opponents to bits out of a sense of sportsmanship, unless there is a compelling reason to do so.

In ’10, ’04, and ’08, he was gaming for a BCS berth. Particularly last year, it was going to be very difficult to bust past BSU and TCU (presuming a win against TCU) without some very shiny scores.

This year, there simply isn’t the same justification for displaying the lack of sportsmanship inherent in a 55-10 type victory, particularly against an FCS opponent. We’ll make any statement that needs to be made next Saturday.

Most of those games did see the second string (or the defense) scoring late. Which could certainly happen this time and we will wind up with a similarly lopsided score. I just don’t see it as the most likely outcome, given Coach Whit’s tendency to play nice in the second half against lesser competition.

As an aside, how the hell did last season happen? Look at those scores we put up… I don’t think we deserved to beat TCU, but… siiiigh.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 29, 2011 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Streamed On UtahUtes.com

The Game will be streamed live on UtahUtes.com

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 29, 2011 9:09 AM MDT reply actions  

I looked....

couldn’t find where it was listed? Where did you see it listed on the sight?

I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.

by Ute95 on Aug 29, 2011 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Utah Always Starts Slow

Montana State will be in this game going into half time. The Offense will have struggled, and Bobcasts will actually be leasing the game 14-10 midway through the 2nd quarter, helped by a turnover deep in Utah territory. Without about 5 minutes to go Wynn connects with Dres Anderson on a 60 yard TD making the Half time score an uncomfortable 17-14.

Following a halftime reaming, the offense comes out clicking, while the defense clamps down. Utah adds 31 second half points, the majority coming in during the 3rd quarter.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 29, 2011 9:25 AM MDT reply actions  

41-14

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by kirkhambiz on Aug 29, 2011 11:24 AM MDT reply actions  

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 29, 2011 11:25 AM MDT reply actions  

a W...but 48-10 is steep

Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon

by Gekko Mojo on Aug 29, 2011 11:56 AM MDT reply actions  

38 - 6

I don’t want to see Montana St. make the endzone. Give up a few FGs, I’m ok with that. Not saying the secondary won’t make a mistake, but I hope they don’t.

No missed PATs and one FG would relax my mind about the kickers.

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Aug 29, 2011 1:13 PM MDT reply actions  

I see 42-10 for the Utes.

However, my big concern is if the ghost of last season’s TCU loss is still haunting the Ute program. If Utah starts slow and falls behind, will they recover or see visions of purple and silver? We needed the Ghostwhisper to help the TCU ghost pass to the other side. GO UTES!

by Frogman812 on Aug 29, 2011 1:16 PM MDT reply actions  

If All Else Fails . . .

Vakapuna and the O-Line should be able to bulldoze the Bobcats’ D-line and let White march the field. Slow, but effective.

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Aug 29, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Objectives for MSU game

1) 150 to 200+ rushing yards.
2) no injuries
3) a couple of 45 to 50 yard FGs for our place kicker
4) no turnovers
5) 2 picks, 2 balls off the turf for the defense
6) Getting Jon Hays some game action if get a comfortable lead
7) Getting Harvey some carries
8) 100 yard receiving day for Dunn, Christopher and Rogers.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 29, 2011 1:51 PM MDT reply actions  

I would modify

The 2 recovered fumbles to 3 forced fumbles. It’s pretty much 50-50 who recovers a ball after it’s been stripped; forced fumbles are a more accurate tell of the things a defense is doing right.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 29, 2011 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know, last year we forced a lot of fumbles and didn't recover many of 'em...

We were awful, at times, in turnovers created. I’d much rather recover two fumbles than force them and fail to recover them (as was the case in almost every game sans AFA it felt like).

by JazzyUte on Aug 29, 2011 2:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hear you

But there much more of a random element to recoveries, from a statistical perspective. I’d rather have two recoveries than three forced fumbles as well, but I don’t think recoveries tell you as much about the defense. A couple of muffed snaps picked up by an opportunistic blitzer don’t say as much about the team as three perfect strips from linebackers, even if the rear blocker falls on the ball each time.

Against USC, I’d rather the recoveries (better lucky than good), but this game is more of a measuring stick to me than a contest.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 29, 2011 2:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Blechen

Brain is especially good at forcing fumbles (particularly when his hand was in a cast last year), but like Jazzy said, we need to be quicker at reacting to the loaf rolling around on the ground and recover some.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 29, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please, Please, PLEASE

Let the kickers perform well. A FG or two and no missed PATs would be nice. I’m seriously in Sakoda withdrawal.

If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!

by RedJaron on Aug 29, 2011 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

TDs

Obviously there is no substitute for putting the ball into the end zone, I wouldn’t mind our kicker(s) getting some live game exposure also.

Last year I thought Joe Phillips biggest kicks were the game winner against Pitt and the ‘doink’ against Notre Dame. We will need our kicking game more than ever this year! And that means the punter too.

As for my version of please, please PLEASE. Please no more punts blocked in 2011. Last year was terrible, especially during that Notre Dame game after we had spent all week talking about getting better at protection.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 29, 2011 2:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Howz 'bout no STUPID penalties???

If there is one thing I’ve noticed over the past few years is our penchant for having STUPID penalties at the worst times, especially on offense, resulting in huge gains being called back or keeping opponents’ drives alive. Let’s not pay for the same real estate twice this year boys.

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by uteowl on Aug 29, 2011 2:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Limit Penalties

Utah is good a racking up a lot of penalties early in the season. I want less than 7

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 29, 2011 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yes. Especially on the line...

Last year’s o-line was an undisciplined mess. How many times did they kill drives with a false start?

by JazzyUte on Aug 29, 2011 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

12 Men Penalties

I think the 12 men penalties are about the only thing more frustrating than the false starts.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 29, 2011 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Oh, I don't know.

It’s not as bad as 13 men on the field. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mAHgD-8k9U

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 29, 2011 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

Last year - this year

The old paraphrased adage of ‘past performance is not indicative of future results’ is somewhat true and can be good and bad.

Last year after squeaking by Pitt at home, we proceeded to blow-out our next couple of opponents up until the AF game and with those victories a #6 AP ranking. I watched the Colorado State game where we absolutely crushed them – I can still see Shak putting the icing on the cake with his 90 yard TD run. But after that the wheels came off the Utah bus.

Therefore I am not going to take much stock by the final score of the game with Montana State.

Where past performance does have significance if the same problems that we had last year show up this year. Like people have said 1) stupid penalties, 2) interceptions, 3) too many passing yards allowed (our secondary wasn’t that good, so I am glad we are almost starting over from scratch), 3) nagging injuries to our QB, 4) poor special team plays are just some of the things that kept repeating themselves last year.

Also finding inspiration from the past, I would like to see more of what happened in 2008, when our defense carried us and Brian Johnson led a good enough offense to an undefeated season or in 2004 when our offense was the juggernaut and you could tell just by watching.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 29, 2011 5:36 PM MDT reply actions  

edit

… and you could just tell by watching that we were good!

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 29, 2011 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

Defense

They say defense wins championships. I believe it Our 2008 defense was great! I hope our 2011 defense plays to that same standard. Hopefully the troubles of our offense at camp was because our first D and scout D were really good.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 29, 2011 5:43 PM MDT reply actions  

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