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This is Jordan Wynn's time to shine

Jordan Wynn has won 11 games as Utah's starting quarterback - putting him 15 wins behind Brian Johnson, the all-time leader in wins.

If he averages just eight wins these next two seasons, Wynn will pass Johnson at the top of that list. 

Of course, this isn't about comparing Wynn, a junior, to Johnson, who led the Utes to their greatest season in school history. This is about him charting his own path, while also shining light on the often ignored aspect of his success.

As a quarterback, Wynn is 1-0 in bowl games, 1-1 against BYU, 11-4 overall and joins Alex Smith as the only quarterback in Utah history to produce back-to-back top-25 seasons. 

Yet there hasn't been a more recent player who's accomplished so much and been so dismissed by a great deal of the Utah fan base. To be sure, Wynn hasn't been perfect. He wilted, badly, of course, against TCU and Notre Dame and the injuries he's suffered through the past year definitely cast doubt on his ability to take the Utes to the next level.

But I think we're quick to forget that this is a kid who, two seasons ago, was just a freshman thrust into a very difficult situation - taking over at halftime to spark a struggling offense and then, two weeks later, thrown to the dogs against a great Frogs team. 

Wynn and the Utes lost that game in ugly fashion and then followed it up a couple weeks later with a painful loss to BYU down in Provo. But the program, and our quarterback, bounced back nicely in the Poinsettia Bowl and, when a great deal of fans were about to write off the season, beat a solid Cal team en route to ten wins for only the fourth time in program history. 

He did that all as a freshman.

Star-divide

 

Maybe that has been the problem all along. Wynn came in as a highly touted recruit who quickly gained the confidence of Ute fans with his performance as a true freshman. Even in the lopsided loss to TCU, it wasn't because of Utah's offense - Wynn looked pretty solid in that game. 

Unfortunately, that success unraveled last season. After a blistering 8-0 start, where the Utes averaged a mind-numbing 45 points per game, the bottom fell out and 2010 is more remembered for what happened against the Frogs, Notre Dame, and, to a lesser extent, BYU rather than what happened in the early part of the year.

Wynn hasn't been able to shake those defeats, at least from the fans' point of view. Many are already skeptical of his ability, even when you don't account for his injury, which, oddly enough (or maybe not) coincided with that unraveling. The more games Wynn threw injured, the worse Utah's offense looked. He blitzed Iowa State, then turned around and struggled against Wyoming - before ripping apart Colorado State and struggling once more in three consecutive weeks.

Which takes us back to Brian Johnson. 

Johnson, like Wynn, had an up-and-down 2007 season after suffering an injury in the first game of the year. When he was rested, Johnson looked every bit the quarterback we all thought he would be when he lined up under center against Arizona at the start of the '05 season. But as the season progressed, and Johnson threw more and more, his shoulder looked less and less impressive. 

By the Holy War that year, Johnson was a bit bruised and battered and it led to Utah's offense being ineffective. They lost, in a painfully low scoring game down in Provo (sound familiar) and you got the sense that the season had taken its toll on his arm and his ability to lead a productive offense. 

There was essentially a month between his final regular season game and his MVP-performance in the Poinsettia Bowl against Navy. The rest did wonders and by 2008, his shoulder was fine and he was ready to lead the Utes to perfection. 

But like I said, this isn't about comparing Wynn to Johnson. I don't know if Wynn will ever best what Johnson and Utah did in 2008 - what I do know, is that, after that '07 BYU game, there were a lot of questions about Johnson's leadership and whether he was the man to win Utah's first Mountain West title since Urban Meyer bolted for Florida a few seasons prior. 

I was skeptical and I'm sure many of you were, as well, because, while he had done well enough, Johnson was 0-1 against BYU and sat at 13 wins and 7 losses - a far cry from the 21-1 record of Alex Smith. 

The difference here is that Wynn wasn't given a chance to rest his injury leading into the Las Vegas Bowl against Boise State. He sat that out because of surgery and because of that, we don't know how well Utah would have played if Wynn, healthy, started over Terrance Cain

We're quick, I think, to just tie that loss around Wynn's neck, even though he wasn't the reason we lost the game. Maybe it makes sense, with how poorly the Utes looked once November rolled around, but it also isn't fair to him. He did have bad games and I'm not going to excuse those performances, well, outside what I already have, but it was Cain, not Wynn, who played and it was Cain, not Wynn, who made some of the mistakes we saw. 

I don't know if the performance would have been different, but then again, no one knows how 2010 would have turned out had Wynn not been injured against Iowa State. It's entirely possible they lose to TCU in the fashion they did, and maybe they do fall to Notre Dame due to the hangover effect - but those are unknowns and left only to speculation.

What I do know is that this is a new year for Wynn and this is his time to prove all those doubters wrong. Wynn is healthy - or at least the coaches say he is - and ready to finally produce a good, complete season as Utah's quarterback. That hasn't been the case the past two seasons. In year one, he was forced into the starting role after it became apparent Cain was not getting it done. In year two, either because of injury or poor play, the Utes faltered badly toward the end. This year, though, there should be no excuses. 

That sounds like a definitive statement and maybe it's too definitive, I don't know. Obviously, if Wynn's injured this year at any point and misses a game or two, or plays, but isn't the same, then that excuse - what he could have done as a healthy quarterback - will always hang over his head. Maybe Wynn is the quarterback who, for whatever reason, and of no fault of his own, just isn't durable enough to make it through the grueling twelve game schedule. But I'm not ready to concede that.

This is why I'm so intrigued by 2011. I believe Wynn has the tools to become one of the best quarterbacks in Utah history. I've already outlined his accomplishments above, his total wins and his closeness to surpassing Johnson on the wins list, and that will most likely be cemented this season. 

This is Jordan Wynn's time to shine. He's a junior now and almost everything he does this year will impact our view of him heading into his senior season. I'm not asking for a BCS berth or a Pac-12 title, but progress and a foundation that leads to potentially something very special in 2012. 

Then not only could Wynn claim the mantle of winningest quarterback in Utah football history, he also might claim the mantle of greatest quarterback in Utah football history.

No pressure, though. 

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Yes this is Jordan’s year. He is a team Captain and team leader.

Jordan go out and kick some ass this year!

by Utah-UCLA alum on Aug 30, 2011 11:51 PM MDT reply actions  

i believe in you jordan!

Dont let me down

Are you sure he was safe? It looked like an out to the entire statium. Well bad call Blue.

by Alavel on Aug 30, 2011 11:53 PM MDT via mobile reply actions  

The key is to protect J Dub!

If the O line can protect Jordan and give him a little time, he will do fine. Hopefully a little play action makes the D think twice as well. Jordan is a good quarterback. I think we all have seen what he is capable of. Like you said, now is his time to shine. I think the pro style offense will favor jordans skill set greatly. I expect him to have a very productive year, if and it is a big IF, he is protected.

Just a side note, everyone who called for jordans head last year was ridiculous. Terrence Cain was a fine back up, but he proved that he could not handle the starting position.

Jordan for heisman, ok not really, but let’s have a good year. RES better be rocking come Thursday.

by UtesFootball on Aug 31, 2011 12:43 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

I think all Ute fans have faith in Jordan ...

… for his physical skills. He’s got the arm, that’s for sure. As long as he stays healthy, Utah will have a good offense.

But I have doubts about what Jordan brings above the neck and in his heart. I still can’t shake the slide he made against Notre Dame that was a yard short of a first down. I can’t buy into anyone who’s billed as a leader who does that. Leaders sell out the body for the entire team when the situation calls for it.

And if calling for Cain was ridiculous, then you’re saying coaches listen to fans. Wynn was pulled against BYU, after all, and justifiably so. That Cain struggled was far more indicative of a greater problem on offense, and not just one player at one position.

Just like I view those who “doubted” Brian Johnson entering the 2008 season with harboring one of the most ridiculous notions around — but they needed that moment when all doubt was erased. It should have come after the Oregon State game. I fully admit that maybe I’m not seeing something here, and need a similar OSU moment from Wynn to become a full believer.

LIke Brian, Jordan has had the ups and downs, both physically and through defeat. Those low moments made Brian a better player, but more importantly, a leader. We’ll get a good indicator early on if and how Wynn has learned from his struggles.

by 100ThingsUtah on Aug 31, 2011 1:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

That ND defeat was crappy all around...

Jordan wasn’t himself and it showed on that play where he didn’t gut it out for the extra yard to gain the first down.

Of course, knowing he was injured, maybe he was told by the coaches to pull back in situations like that knowing a strong enough hit there could have subsequently ended his season and led to an even more serious injury. I know, I know, that doesn’t fly – it’s an excuse.

We just don’t really know the circumstances of the Wynn injury and we probably never will.

The Cain call by the coaches, I don’t know, it kinda seemed (though I doubt Whitt is this type of coach) that they threw him in to just shut the fans up. “Fine, you think he can do better…here’s Cain.”

But I agree, Cain’s overall problems were indicative of the offense. So were Wynn’s, for the most part. The play calling for a bulk of the final leg of the season sucked. It sucked in the AFA game. It sucked in the TCU game. It sucked in the ND game. It sucked in the BYU game. The only offensive play calling I liked was in the SDSU game and it was solely because their defense was giving Wynn and Utah everything they wanted, so the coaches were smart enough at that point to take it.

by JazzyUte on Aug 31, 2011 1:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Our entire operation on offense was compromised by outside sources

It’s been discussed on Utefans, and everything I’ve read/been told makes perfect sense in explaining why our offense looked so poorly TCU onward.

by 100ThingsUtah on Aug 31, 2011 1:31 AM MDT up reply actions  

Certain posters allege that Gary Patterson somehow managed to get video of Utah's playcalling signals

Then after the TCU game he called the coaches of all our future opponents and offered to share the video. Supposedly Patterson really wanted to stick it to Whittingham who supposedly managed to steal TCU’s signals during the 2008 game. I’m not saying I believe the story, but the rumor is out there.

by Ute in DC on Aug 31, 2011 2:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Figuring out Utah's playcalling wasn't difficult.

It was basically pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, run, pass, pass, pass….

Which of course as a big part of the problem.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 31, 2011 3:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

That's not playcalling.

Knowing that we’re running or passing is pointless. Knowing to where we’re running or to whom we’re passing is a big deal and matters.

And between Matt and Eddie we had 1300+ yards rushing. I’m not saying last year’s playcalling was great (it wasn’t), but there’s a big difference between average playcalling and actually stealing signals.

Everyone hates a pink-shirt-wearing communist.

by displacedute on Aug 31, 2011 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this point.

If TCU actually did intercept Utah’s playcalling, that is several degrees of magnitude more helpful than being able to guess whether or not the other team has called a run or pass play. The difference is huge.

Take a weather forecasting analogy. Actually having the playcalling is like having a detailed weather report about the barometric pressure, humidity, temperature, and chance of precipitation. Guessing whether or not a run/pass will be called is like guessing whether or not it will rain today because it’s August 31 and late August weather in Utah is very predictable . . .

by Ute in DC on Aug 31, 2011 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a very convenient rumor

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by CrimsonUte on Aug 31, 2011 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sorry Hit enter too soon.

Anyways, Cain’s problems were indicative of Cain. What we saw from Cain was exactly what got him replaced as starter in 2009.

It’s also the same stuff we saw earlier in the year. Cain was a decent backup QB, but he never, in his two years, had a firm enough grasp on the offense to really be able to lead the team.

Cain was the kind of QB who managed the game. Most likely he wasn’t going to lose you a game, although he about killed us against BYU, but he wasn’t ever going to go out and make the plays/throws to win us a game either.

I don’t want to say that Cain wasn’t smart enough for 1-A, but I just don’t think he was ever able to make the adjustment from JuCo to 1-A.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 31, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree on Cain

Cain had a lot going for him as he had great scrambling/ play making ability, could manage a game, didn’t hurt that he had Brian Johnson as a coach. But fair enough to say he just wasn’t good enough at the next level up from JuCo. His passing ablity just was never up to par.I guess to say there are reasons guys start in Juco instead of 1-A.

by utahmanami on Aug 31, 2011 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

Play calling

I agree that the play calling changed dramatically. It seemed like early in the season we did a lot of running at the beginning of the game. Starting somewhere after Iowa State we switched to a throw first game plan and cut back on run plays. It failed miserably against’ TCU and ND.

by JoeBountiful on Aug 31, 2011 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I still remember

being in the NEZ as fans were cheering when Cain came in. I looked down the role and told them they were all crazy for wanting Cain in. One Pick later, I asked them “You still want Cain”.

Next pick I asked them “How’s Wynn look now”

When they started cheering when Wynn came in I looked at them and told them to sit their butts down and shut their hypocritical mouths.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 31, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wynn also has the added pressure of the offense changing as well. Since Norm Chow has arrived, being under center has been often stated as a reason for Jordan Wynn improving this year. More reason this year is his year.

by WeizenUte on Aug 31, 2011 12:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Listening to people talk about Wynn, and Utah last year

I would swear we were a 6-6 team, led by a qb who threw 15 more int’s than TD’s.

People seem to have forgotten That Wynn has barely had a number of starts equivalent to an entire season. People see to have forgotten that he went 8-2 last year, while the Utes went 10-3. I also have seen many pin the bowl loss on him. Now while I believe whole heartedly we would have won with Wynn in there, because there’s no way We don’t score more with Wynn during that first quarter and a half we were dominating Boise, he still can’t be blamed for that loss.

Notre Dame and TCU put a negative spin on 2010. But I wish people would remember the truth about the season as a whole.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 31, 2011 7:55 AM MDT reply actions  

In a previous conversation

I compared Jordan Wynn’s stats last year to Matt Barkley. The kid has been excellent. To question his toughness because he tried to play through injuries for the final third of the season is a little bizarre.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 31, 2011 8:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Wynn's Toughness

I don’t think people can say Wynn isn’t tough. He played through injuries last year, and I still remember him just getting beat up against BYU in 2009 and staying in there. He definitely has the heart to play the game.

Wynn isn’t a runner. You can tell he’s not comfortable running the ball, and I think that discomfort, more than lack of toughness, led to the slide against ND.

What I worry about is his durability. Wynn’s body may just not be built for the pounding. I hope that’s not the case, because I think Wynn could have a huge year not only this year, but setting up for 2012 as a senior.

by UnHoly Ram on Aug 31, 2011 8:08 AM MDT up reply actions  

Injuries

What I think can be compared with BJ and Wynn is that they were injury riddled at a younger age. BJ started at 18 years old and Wynn was a teenager too. Wynn is now 21 years old and you can see from camp pictures that his body is a lot more mature and his arms are even bigger. He’s definitely matured and put on weight, which I think will really help his durability throughout the season. If our starting O line can stay somewhat healthy, he’ll have all the protection he needs. I’m really excited for a great first year to turn some heads in the PAC-12.

by Thlete on Aug 31, 2011 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

He was skinny

when he was 18 and 19, as you said. He looks like a football player now. I think it’s easy to discount his size and think of him as fragile because of his slightly dorky appearance (I’m no Tom Brady myself, but we all have to admit that Wynn doesn’t exactly ooze masculine vigor). He would look just as comfortable on the chess team as the football team… but remember the kid is 6-2 and a couple bills.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 31, 2011 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure Utah would have done better with Wynn against BSU

Utah’s biggest problem during the first ~20 minutes of the game was receivers dropping balls. The throws were on the mark, but the receivers just dropped them. I suppose it’s possible that they would have caught the balls if Wynn had been throwing them — there are subtle differences that affect quarterback–receiver rhythm — but I’m not convinced. DeVonte Christopher needed to spend less time tweeting and more time working on fundamentals.

by Ute in DC on Aug 31, 2011 2:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Plus weird penalties

In additional to dropped balls, there was also that really weird penalty that I have never heard of, what was it? A receiver was lined up weird?

by JoeBountiful on Aug 31, 2011 3:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

The official referred to it as the receiver being covered up,

but it was an illegal formation penalty. The receiver needed to be a yard back from the line of scrimmage, but he was on the line of scrimmage.

by Ute in DC on Aug 31, 2011 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Random Uniform Pictures

These were just posted on ESPN, a nice way to compare the two unis,

and a cool piece of info


That’s a topographical map of Salt Lake City.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 31, 2011 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

So, when an opposing player says . . .

“I could get lost in your ass” it isn’t necessariliy an insult or come on. Good to know, rationalization keeps us sane, after all.

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by Aardvark on Aug 31, 2011 1:58 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

That’s definitely the first picture of a butt that I have ever posted on a forum.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Aug 31, 2011 2:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't get the ND game out of my head

Fair enough to say I was dissapointed in Jordan in the ND game, but as it has been said we don’t really know the circumstances with the injury and what the coaches told him. I really hope that game was all mental problems wiht Jordan that can be fixed. He’s going to have to prove to a lot of people that the ND game was a fluke and he will put it all on the line for his teammates. I do believe he has a good enough arm to be one of the better Qb’s in the conference but he’s gotta prove it on the field.

by utahmanami on Aug 31, 2011 7:10 PM MDT reply actions  

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