Utes prove they belong, go down in heartbreaking fashion
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Debatable
As terrible as ASU was in being undisciplined last night, Brock Osweiler was a beast and Vontaze Burfict has improved his game immensely since last year.
But you may play teams that have discipline and teamwork
unlike the Kiffins
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
U$C 6-6 at home last 2 seasons
They are nothing special anymore. Just a run of the Pac team.
Agreed
USC has some serious talent. Especially their d-line along with Barkley and Woods.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Sep 11, 2011 6:02 AM MDT up reply actions
SC's D-ends were legit
Both Cullins and Bergstrem were getting beat off the edges. It didn’t help that Wynn tried spinning away from the pressure (which he does with about as much grace as a drunk giraffe) rather than step up in the pocket.
by RunninUtes30 on Sep 11, 2011 9:28 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
We did well all things considered
Our tackles were getting beat. Wynn made some good throws going to his left and also not some good plays as he got sacked a few times. One play he got bailed out with a defensive holding call.
I liked how Wynn hung in there and he made some good deep throws. And he put us in a position to tie the game.
….For a minute there I thought we were a team of destiny.
And thanks goodness for instant replay. The system works as it corrected numerous initial calls ( the fumble and poor field spots come to mind)
by Utah-UCLA alum on Sep 11, 2011 10:50 AM MDT up reply actions
We play ASU
At home. I think we win against USC at home here… less crappy officiating, and we had some brutal false start penalties caused by crowd noise.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 11, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
You guys will get Pac 12 refs at home...
since you guys are also part of the Pac 12 now
Attractive, Intelligent, Smart A**
by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 11, 2011 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
I felt
That they were influenced by the crowd in regards to pass interference and holding calls on USC… but maybe they just suck at calling those penalties.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 11, 2011 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions
At Pitt will be tought
Not because I think Pitt is that great. It’s that traveling to the other side of the country takes a toll.
by East Coast Ute on Sep 10, 2011 9:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Not too sure
Pitt barely beat Maine (apparently they have a football team) at home.
by RunninUtes30 on Sep 11, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Pitt-Maine was not anywhere close ...
… except for the final score, inflated on Maine’s part because of two TDs in the final 2 1/2 minutes. Pitt was never in danger of losing this game.
by 100ThingsUtah on Sep 11, 2011 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Misleading score.
Thanks for the info. Pitt will be definitely be up for us.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Sep 11, 2011 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Definitely never in danger...
But they’ve looked ho-hum the last two weeks. But I agree with ECU, it’ll be tough because of the travel. Never easy for a team, mid-season, to go clear across the country for one game.
First Heartbroken Thoughts
Ughh…
Ughh…
Ughhh…
Proud of the team to withstand the early onslaught and come back.
Lacy looked good.
McGill sucked it up big time. He needs to learn you can’t just hit players, you have to actually tackle.
OL got dominated, and surprisingly enough DL got dominated for great portions of the game.
Wynn looked Decent. Didn’t make too many mistakes. You can tell he still doesn’t feel entirely comfortable in the face of the pressure, but I’ll take performances like he had. Although the fluttering passes worries me. A lot of that came because he was throwing off his back foot due to pressure.
Playcalling wasn’t all that great, especially on the 4th and 1 in USC territory in the first half.
Would have liked to have tried a pass into the end zone with 11 seconds left.
Ugh…
Ugh..
That block.. Ugh..
Why were our DB’s playing so far back.
Again Keith McGill sucked majorly.
Ugh…
Ugh…
A Couple other thoughts
The announcers sucked badly. Very USC Friendly
As were the refs. They didn’t cost us the game, although they tried on Christopher’s spot, but there were some questionable stuff (Lacy getting an Unsportsmanlike call, when Woods was throwing punches).
Run Defense was very lacking
Why were our defenders playing so far off?
Kiffin often looked lost on the sidelines as USC began to crumble in the second half once again. Deer in the headlights.
Couple things
Thier talent level is waaaay above ours still.
Kiffin does not impress me.
Wynn made some really poor choices and moves—it is as if he is a rookie or high school kid at times (hangs on too long, turns his back then tries ot reacquire receivers after turning back around).
Our O-line is average.
USC got away with mugging receivers all night.
We improved on offense this week from last week so, we’re moving in the right direction.
If we had confidence in Wynn, we’d have tried anothe rtoss before the kick—nut the way those bastards collapsed our line for the kick? Geez louise.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."
I don't even know if going for the kick there has anything to do with confidence in Wynn...
You don’t risk that. Sure, maybe take a shot down field toward the end zone, but what happens if Wynn is sacked or flustered and makes a bad throw or flustered and, in the heat of the moment, throws it five yards short of the first down?
If anything to second guess there is maybe spiking the ball and setting things up to make sure you’re not rushing things.
Or
If the receiver doesn’t get out of bounds, So many other question marks there.
10 seconds is two throws if you know what you are doing
But you can’t keep them out, you cannot risk the sack and Wynn showed an inability to get rid of it when it was evident he had to, he held it too long.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."
Kicking was not the wrong decision
The wrong decision was either not hurry fast enough to really catch USC off guard, or taking the time to set up the kick, since the clock was stopped and would not have started until the ball was snapped, due to the incompletion/pass interference penalty on the previous play.
A team is rarely (if ever) going to catch someone off guard on a placekicking attempt
To set-up a placekick properly, a team is going to need to make a substitution. Once the offense substitutes, the officials must give the defensive team an opportunity to substitute. You aren’t allowed to make a quick snap after substitution.
If you want to go no-huddle, you’re going to have to play with the same 11 players on the field.
Only if you get it out of bounds, or a 1st down, OR have a time out left - we didn't
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson
Or toss it out of bounds
He did not demonstrate that ability.
"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman
"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."
Welcome to the Pac-12. Start complaining about USC’s band and the Pac-12 refs and you’ll become veterans!
In other words, Go Bears!
What, you mean that song with like nine notes that they play ad naseum?
Don’t know what you’re talking about.
"Ignorance is the parent of fear." ~Melville
by johnnycougar on Sep 12, 2011 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't know how to feel
Right when I saw that kick get blocked I just started punching anything that is soft enough to not hurt, but hard enough to get some satisfaction out of it. But after I cooled down I started thinking about how the gameday cast didn’t take us seriously, so even though we lost we proved that we belong in the PAC 12 and I am happy about that. And I am also happy that Wynn actually found a way to move the ball. So overall it sucks that we lost, but I think that some good things came out of it.
Go utes!
by utahman13 on Sep 10, 2011 9:26 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Question
Why didn’t USC get credit for the TD at the end of the game?
The PAC 12 has now ruled the TD to be good.
23-14 total. Doesn’t matter but makes the game look less close. What was the spread btw? How many people had heart attacks in Vegas?
This is not as clever as you might have thought it would be.
New NCAA celebration rule
Go utes!
by utahman13 on Sep 10, 2011 9:28 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
TD wouldn't have counted if the penalty had been called on a player on the field.
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson
A Thought On Wynn
Wynn isn’t the QB who’s going to come out sling it down field, and win many games anymore. But he is a QB who for the last two weeks hasn’t made any killer mistakes, and this week at least showed that he can move the ball down field.
He struggled a bit with pressure, and still isn’t 100% comfortable, but overall he looks like a Norm Chow QB. One who will take the 5-7 yard pass, keep the ball moving, and keep the team in position to win.
Honestly, we don’t want to be in too many games where Wynn throws the ball 46 yards. If we had any semblance of a run game tonight we win this game. But the OL was a major problem, and is right now our biggest issue right now. The 2nd issue is Keith McGill.
One thing
Wynn did get some confidence back from me. And he sure did drive the team 60 yards down the field in the last seconds to setup the FG to force OT. Didn’t like how rushed it was, seems like spiking the ball would’ve helped. Kick looked good on takeoff, but they just exploded through our blockers and jumped like Superman.
Wynn Long Drives of 2011
Wynn has actually managed to put together sustained drives this year.
Against MSU:
9 Plays 62 yards 4:32 TD
9 Plays 59 yards 4:01 TD
Also had a 10 play and an 8 play drive
Against USC
9 Plays 54 yards 2:47 Moronic play call on 4th and 1 kills the drive
12 plays 84 yards 4:09 TD
7 Plays 43 Yards 1:01 Heartbreak
Also had an 8 play and a bunch of 6 play drives
Sustained drives?
We need more 3-play, 74-yard drives. Those end up in touchdowns. Easy touchdowns. We haven’t gotten an easy touchdown this year that wasn’t set up by the defense or special teams. We need more easy touchdowns on offense, instead of having to work with 8-, 10- and 12-play drives.
by 100ThingsUtah on Sep 11, 2011 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
Ball Control and ToP
I like having 8, 10, 12-play drives because it means are team has the ball and is dictating what is happening in the game rather than the other team. Of course, if I had to choose between a 3-play drive that resulted in a TD or a 10-play drive that ended with a blocked FG, well…
Sustained drives are better
Sure, big play drives of only 3 plays are nice. But 8-12 play drives means you are showing the defense who is boss on a consistent basis instead of one blown coverage or something.
Easy TD's don't win games
Oh and By The Way Reggie Dunn’s 50 yard run would count as an easy drive.
You can’t rely on always having a 3 play 74 yard TD drive. Yes those are nice, but a truly powerful team is one that can continually put together sustained drives for points.
It’s the continually part that the Utes need to work on.
Those "Easy" TDs you refer too
and that we’ve become accustomed to over the past few years have come at the expense of many inferior teams. I don’t think we’re going to see near as many high scoring games in the PAC12 as we have in the MW.
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson
I was concerned how White was tossed like a rag doll at times
"It's a damn poor mind that can only think of one way to spell a word" - Andrew Jackson
Kinda...
But it hurts so much right now. I keep reliving the blocked FG in my head over and over again. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.
Oooh It definitely hurts
I won’t be sleeping tonight because I’ll be reliving that kick. But if last week was a Moral Defeat, this definitely falls in the Moral Victory category.
Not me, I'm already past it.
We all need to realize that this team is a work in progress and will most likely be playing much better at the end of the year. If we’re not any better by then… well, we have a problem.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions
Kind of gives me more satisfaction
about the win over BYU last year, knowing how much it hurts to lose on a blocked FG.
Same here
I really feel that the PAC-12 South is ours for the taking. That was supposed to be our biggest test, and we get ASU at home.
by East Coast Ute on Sep 10, 2011 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I can agree with that.
I feel like I’ve been through a wringer. A tense, tight game wears me out emotionally. Losing only makes it worse.
But I have little doubt that Utah will be in the mix to be the South Division representative in the Pac-12 Championship Game. Beat ASU and it’s on, like Donkey Kong.
Well, it's as I suspected.
Utah has a long way to go… but so does SC. I was impressed by either team. Utah is a decent team right now, but not really good. They still haven’t quite gelled and I definitely don’t think they have the offense down yet. Either that or Chow has lost his mojo, innovation-wise. Still, I’ll wager they’ll be playing much better by the end of the year. I’m calling it right now: ASU wins the South and, at this rate of development, Utah won’t win a championship for another 2 or 3 years.
ASU is going to drop a few games...
So if they win the South, that means it’ll be because SC is solely banned from doing so and the Sun Devils get in with at least three conference wins. They looked mighty sloppy last night against Missouri at home – who was breaking in a new QB and without their best receiver.
Yep, but ASU can score...
right now, that’s a problem for Utah, SC and Zona.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
They won't have to against the way both Utah and SC are playing.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions
You seriously are over-hyping ASU...
The team is good, but Utah will be favored for their contest in a few weeks. Watch.
I dont think so...
ASU plays @ illinois, and have USC and OSU at home in the weeks leading up to our match up.. pretty decent chance they win all those games.
We play BYU at LES and Wash at home.. Pretty decent chance we split these games the way we are playing right now.
right now i would have ASU as the 3 point favorite.. if they win out and we split i think a TD favorite is more appropriate.. but im not a handicapper just someone who occasionally bets on a game now and then.
by UTalkintome? on Sep 12, 2011 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Considering ASU is currently a dog to Illinois...
Who’s coached by Ron Zook, I don’t think it’s too big of a leap to say the Utes would be favored.
Oops, meant WASN'T impressed by either team.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I knew what you meant...
You’re pretty negative, so it’s not a surprise you weren’t impressed by two teams that laid it all out on the field tonight. I was, though.
Actually, I'm pretty positive that they're improving.
I’m also not expecting them to be a lean, mean ass-kicking machine right out of the gate. I calls ’em as I sees ’em though, and I saw a lot of sloppy play and bad coaching.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think anyone did...
But I was impressed by this team. Last year, I watched in three games as they folded against bigger opponents and that didn’t happen tonight. Sure, ifs and buts and the Utes didn’t play perfect and SC did a lot to give them a chance, but Utah played balls out for much of this game. They didn’t wilt when SC went up 10-0. They didn’t wilt when SC went up 17-7. They didn’t wilt when SC forced a punt with two minutes to go.
Every time Utah needed a big play, they almost always got it – whether it was Jordan making a huge pass, White making a huge run, the defense making a huge stop, or creating a turnover. Alas, the biggest play of all they couldn’t come through.
Oh, yeah, for certain! They have tons of heart!
They’re just not very skilled right now. It’s that “almost got it” bit that hits the nail on the head. They have the talent and the heart… so what else is there that could be missing? They’ll learn as the year goes on and they’ll definitely be playing with more skill and control come October and November.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:51 PM MDT up reply actions
A nickel for my thoughts...
1- I’ve never been a Conroy Black fan… In fact, I hate him. That said, I felt like he played well tonight, though he still cannot tackle.
2- Rowe played like a true freshman.
3- I was rather pleased with how John White IV ran after initial jitters wore off. I was concerned with his lack of size, but he does very well when it comes to avoiding contact and getting a couple extra yards.
4- I’m still not sure about Jordan Wynn.
5- Our receivers don’t get enough credit… Dres is the man… Christopher can turn it on when he wants…
6- Cullen was a MAJOR disappointment in my mind. While on Cullen, did anyone notice how a was absolutely blown up on that blocked field goal?
7- Am I missing a rule? Couldn’t Wynn have spiked the ball to stop the clock to give the field goal unit more time to set up?
8- Lastly, is it just me or did anyone else think that field goal just didn’t look or feel right as they were setting up???
by BetterasIgetolder on Sep 10, 2011 9:41 PM MDT reply actions
One last thing...
Tyler won the game for SC… Kid was a beast…
by BetterasIgetolder on Sep 10, 2011 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Cullen=Overrated/Over-hyped
He causes too many false starts, and was mediocre at best ….I don’t think it was coincidental that White had a career game when Cullen was OUT.
"Football isn't a contact sport; it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Vince Lombardi
Eh
I think White’s big game had more to do with the opponent he was running against. Putting up big numbers against an FCS team is a wee-bit easier to do than against USC.
SC’s D-ends were impressive, but I thought Cullen would have been better.
by RunninUtes30 on Sep 11, 2011 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions
About the field goal....I was really confused why it was so rushed
It was like the coaches didn’t realize the clock would start when the ball was hiked, not when the referee started play
That's right...
For some reason I forgot that it was after a defensive penalty and the clock stops… It just looked sloppy, and Cullen was pushed five yards into the backfield… I wouldn’t be surprised if he blocked it with the back of his head…
by BetterasIgetolder on Sep 10, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't understand the rushed FG, either...
Unless it was to try and catch SC off guard. I don’t know.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
The only person that was caught off guard...
Was John Cullen…
by BetterasIgetolder on Sep 10, 2011 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Heh... sad, but true.
I wonder if his head was still funny from the concussion. He seemed slow and sloppy tonight.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions
On the FG kick
Wasn’t it the right side of the line that got blown up? Cullen plays LT.
by UteinBrooklyn on Sep 10, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess not on special teams
Cuz I saw it clear as day on the replay from the side angle. Cullen got blown back and the dude jumped high in the air, despite his comment that he didn’t even jump and it hit him in the forearm.
1000 points to you Jazzy
I feel like $%#^ but that video make me crack a smile….hope the boys can cream BYU next week to help the pain go away .
"Football isn't a contact sport; it's a collision sport. Dancing is a contact sport."
Vince Lombardi
Oh, they'll definitely beat BYU.
Unless Coach Whitt has lost it completely, he won’t…CAN’T…let that happen.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure how to feel about BYU either...
I came into the season expecting a lot out of Jake Heaps… Their defense seems to be improved, which scares me with our offense… But the offense seems to be sputtering just like ours… I’m predicting the final score… 9-7, Utah wins… There will be exactly two touchdowns made by the defenses, and Utah snags a safety…
by BetterasIgetolder on Sep 10, 2011 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Or...it's going to be a crazy offensive game...
That seems to happen when people expect a low scoring game.
With that said, I was unimpressed tonight with the Cougar run defense. I could see John White having a great game.
Michigan beats ND on TD w/2 secs left
What an Irish way to lose
Comparing and contrasting this game with our next opponent's...
Both games ended the same way – a close defeat for the Utah team in a tough, storied environment.
The difference is that the Cougars flat out looked bad for most this game. Their offense is bad, their run defense wasn’t much better and they can’t finish inside the red zone.
They also wilted away a comfortable two-score lead.
I would be more discouraged if I were a BYU fan leaving that game than I’m sure Ute fans are right now because our team flat out played in this game. Offense wasn’t abysmal, it did move the ball, defense was lights out and made huge plays, coaching was solid around, play calling was good and we had a chance to win it in the end – once Texas started cruising, I never thought BYU would win their game.
Next Saturday is going to be interesting.
My Biggest Worry Is Our Weakness Matches Up With Their Defensive Strength
If BYU has a strength it’s their front 7.
Right now the biggest, glaring, gaping issue for Utah is the Offensive Line.
Yep, BYU really looks bad and seems like the team is full of quitters.
Can’t say the same for Utah.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
True... Utah players should...
Come away from this game with their heads high… They NEVER quit… I personally don’t know how to feel about the game yet, but if I’m a player, I’m thinking that we can be there (Championship) at the end of the year…
by BetterasIgetolder on Sep 10, 2011 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
sigh
one of the strangest ute games i’ve ever witnessed. why not let wynn sling it down there for the win or go to the sidelines get it closer. that is a difficult kick whether or not it’s blocked. and it’s not like we are sending king louie out there…ah well. you learn from your mistakes and move on. i hope wynn becomes a better qb, i’d say he looks very inexperienced at times. like his decision to spin and run away from the defense when he doesn’t have to. plant your feet and let it rip, what are you running from jordan? a ghost?!?!?
Especially after all the "let 'er fly" talk.
I guess Chow wasn’t privy to that conversation between Whitt and Wynn.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 10:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Too much to risk doing that...
11 seconds left, no time outs dramatically decreases what your options are. If Utah had a time out, I almost guarantee Wynn lines up for one more pass play. But they didn’t.
Our line struggled at times in this game. If Wynn snaps and they get any type of pressure, you’re looking at a few difficult options: Wynn’s sacked (game over), Wynn throws short of the first down (game over), Wynn throws a pick (game over).
None work in our favor.
My thoughts in summation...
I want to look at the positives first…
1. We belong. We all know the talent that USC recruits, and we hung with them. Our recruiting has, and will continue to get better…which says to me that we’re going to be a force in the Pac-12 South.
There was no thought of “the little guy” at the end of that game…and I doubt there ever will be again.
2. Our WR core may be one of the best in the Pac-12. They were beating their man with little difficulty. Perhaps USC’s secondary isn’t that good…which is a strong possibility…
…but I will call my shot now and say that the 2012 group will be the class of the Pac-12, and will be at the top this year.
3. I have to give our Secondary credit. I have been deriding them all week, but they hung with what I think is a good QB, and WR group. I wish that Lacy would have caught one of those pick-6’s that were thrown to him…but I have to give him credit for being in the lane.
4. I think we can win the Pac-12 South. This might be a bit early to call that kind of shot…but the confidence boost of going into the Colosseum and sticking it to USC right up until the final play is going to be tremendous.
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Now the negatives…
1. Wynn’s shoulder is not 100%. Sure it could be “fixed”…but the strength isn’t there. I’ve gone on and on about having had rotator cuff issues before, so I’ll leave it at this. I think he’ll get better as the weeks go on and he gains more strength (unless he aggravates it or worse, re-injures it…which is possible, it is a very vulnerable area once it’s been damaged)…
…but the best we can hope for this year is a dink and dunk offense with a strong running game…and maybe hope for floating long balls if the safeties draw up thinking that Wynn doesn’t have it in him.
The OL has me somewhat worried…especially Cullen. I mean isn’t this guy supposed to be NFL talent? I don’t know what to think about that.
3. Some of the play-calling was questionable. Why not run on 4th &1? Why not start expecting that blitz? Granted, I think it got better as the game progressed…and it was a hell of a lot better than last year…so I guess this really isn’t a negative…it’s just me nitpicking. (BTW, I get why we didn’t go for the end-zone with 11 seconds. Whit thought we could beat them in OT…and I agree. Our OL should have done a better job of blocking a relatively easy FG…but then again, maybe it should have had more “arc”).
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Unlike last week’s “Moral Defeat”…this was a moral victory…but it stings like Hell. I have friends there…and how disappointing to have snatched victory from the jaws of defeat…just to have it snatched right back.
Better to have this happen now…and to grow from it. This is a win-able division…we’ve got ASU at home…we can do this. I am optimistic…and can’t wait for next week! I feel like this is a team that can beat BYU…which I questioned before tonight.
Oh yes it stings like hell...
But outside an outright victory, I think we impressed a whole lot of people tonight.
Those dumb asses on College GameDay wrote us off so easily and we nearly beat the Trojans in their house.
Now let’s win out. 11-1 will look plenty nice! ;-)
We made SportCenter before any BYU highlights...
…BYU fans told me that ESPN would pimp their product…did they lie to me?!?
4th and 1 call
I was thinking about this one too, but it took a really good USC defense to stop the guy just short, but I wish Wynn was more mobile than he could have tucked it and probably picked up the 1st.
Agreed...that was my thought at the time...
If he was a run threat…he either picks it up on his feet, or flips it over the defenders head as he comes up to make the stop.
I think...
You’re on point when it comes to the WR’s, John Cullen, and the 4th and 1… Also, I don’t think anyone has talked about this, but I feel the same way about overtime… If that FG is up and in, we win the game…
by BetterasIgetolder on Sep 10, 2011 10:16 PM MDT reply actions
Locke is just being ridiculous...
Reaming Whittingham for some comment he made about going for the FG there and playing the percentages.
Whittingham knows his team, Locke. He knows what they can do and what they can’t. If he thought the FG was the right call, I guess it was the right call.
...and I agree...if we make that FG, I think we win that in OT.
If that ball gets INT’d or anything else that causes a turnover, he gets killed for not going for the FG. This was on the O-line, not Whit. He made the right call.
FG was DEFINITELY the right call
Maybe spike it beforehand, because our line was more surprised than USC was by the quick play. But Peterson was solid in his kicks last year and it looked to on take-off before Cullen’s man that drove him back 5 yards and jumped out of the stadium got his paw on it.
Spiking the ball is a good point...
…but was the clock not stopped? I can’t recall…it was all a blur at that point for me.
It was stopped and wouldn't have resumed running until the ball was snapped...
They didn’t need to rush out there like that
...and this is why I hate that you're in "Twitter Hell"...
…someone with credibility needs to put Locke in his place. He has made a lot of ignorant comments about Utah via. Twitter during the past week…
I only know because I follow him on Facebook, and it auto-posts. I suppose I should get with the program and move up to the Tweeting community.
consider the source
guy has a floundering show and needs ratings. he will say anything. seriously, his show is now a distant third when it comes to afternoon sports talk radio in utah.
Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....
by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 11, 2011 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Also, if we make that FG
I think we are really loving that Wynn drove the team down with very little time left and got us in position to force OT. Ah, the game of inches. BTW I was going to blow a gasket if they didn’t overturn that horrendous spot on 4th and 10 (clutch play by Wynn and Devonte, remember). Special teams was a big difference. Turnovers kept Utah in the game much more than we probably deserved. BYU will play out of their heads better for their first home game – they feed off their crowd like a shot of steroids, but I feel pretty good about making my first trip to Provo since 2003… I also feel pretty good about my chances with the weather being better than that game.
At least it wasnt THAT SH**** SPOT!
It’s hard to stomach a utah loss. It would have been much much worse had the refs not reviewed that awful spot. Im upset with a piss poor offense this week, including Wynn. The difference between USC and Utah qb’s is leadership, Wynn does not possess. Were in for a beat down from the team down south if we dont pick it up.. Trade Wynn for Heaps anyday. That’s my 2 cents.
Heaps did not look good when I changed the channel...
…he may have the “ability” that Wynn doesn’t…but I flipped the channel during a timeout, and watched as he floated an ill-advised deep ball. They could have punted and got better field position. I don’t know that he has the QB IQ to be a success.
Heaps is trash...
The guy is a quitter. Wynn played with all heart. If he’s not 100% or won’t ever be 100%, that’s not on him, but the kid stepped up and got us in position for OT.
You can take Heaps, who wilted down the stretch against Texas. I’ll take Wynn.
Two words:
“Ole Miss.” Heaps allowed an interception to run right past him for a score. The guy’s a pansy-assed pansy.
Even playing with an obviously bum shoulder, Wynn is still more of a leader than Heaps could ever hope to be.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Tough loss
But Dammit, we gave the Mighty Trojans a run for their money! If you can hold a team with that much talent to 17 points and cause 3 turnovers, you’re an incredibly great football team. Not only that, it’s a team that’s going to get better and better every week. You’ve got to think that USC played a lot better this week than they did last week, and I know for sure that we played a hell of a lot better this week. I’m thinking we’re going to make BYU our bitch next week for sure because you can tell by watching their sideline on TV that they think that they are God’s gift to Football and that God will carry them to victory, but the silly bitches will never learn that God hates BYU! Yup, morale victory has me moving straight into shit talk! I HATE BYU SO DAMN MUCH!!!!
GO UTES!!!!!
It wasn't an excessive celebration penalty
It’s still a bogus call, but the new rule is only excessive celebrations. What they got called for was a Sideline Violation.
it was a substitution infraction
not a celebration
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
They can do that an hour after the game has ended?
I thought that once a game score was final, it was final? What about Tennessee a couple years ago against LSU and North Carolina against LSU in their bowl games with garbage calls? This is horseshit and I won’t stand for it!!!
I'm a firm believer that a team should never let it come down to the refs anyway.
I have high standards, dammit! ;)
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 10:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Of course it's coming out of LA
Those bitches will say anything to make themselves look better. Until it comes from ESPN, I’m not gonna believe a damn thing. What a crock of horse shit!
Oh, and thanks Jazzy
I appreciate you and everyone else keeping me up to date on what was going on with my lagging radio feed! Can’t wait to be back in the states with High Definition TV and by then the PAC-12 Network. It’s going to be so much better than BYUTV.
(BYU can eat a fat baby’s dick)
Both Utah and USC suffer from the same issue:
a lack of skill. Both teams showed talent and heart tonight, but a lack of skill. Skill is different than talent. Skill is learned and earned and it’s the coaches job to teach that to the players. If both teams have the right coaches, they’ll be much better in a month or two.
If they’re not any better it means something not so good. It means USC probably has the wrong head coach and that Utah may have the wrong OC. I wasn’t a fan of the Chow hire, I wanted Utah to find some fresh blood with new ideas, but I’m still giving him the benefit of the doubt. We’ll see at the end of the year.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 10:31 PM MDT reply actions
You are really selling the Utes short
Lack of Skill? Can’t say that. They showed a lot of skill. Maybe they were lacking in some parts, QB play was mediocre, and OL got killed,
But the OL issues wasn’t lack of skill, it was lack of size and depth.
Other than that, there was plenty of skill on display for both teams.
USC didn’t lose almost lose due to lack of skill, What they showed was lack of maturity.
OL bright spot was Brenner
Up a against a 5 star, 3 time All American and with his left arm in a brace handled him all night long. Rewatch, check him out, you will see.
Like I said, skill is different than talent.
A sculptor may have loads of talent, but if he doesn’t know which veins to follow, how to work around/with certain natural features, how to use shape and texture to achieve certain effects and when to stop chiseling, that’s all due to a lack of skill. I saw a lot of poor footwork and body positioning on the O-line. That’s a lack of skill. Stupid penalties, lack of skill. Missed defensive assignments, lack of skill. I saw many of the same things on both teams.
Never use “size and depth” as an excuse. Little guys have been kicking big guy’s ass for millennia and they’ve been doing it by being skilled. Remember the 2009 Sugar Bowl? That was a skilled team. Skill is learned and this team is learning, and learning quick. That’s a good thing.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 11, 2011 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Utah stepped up for sure
after an embarrassing first half, we came out and did what we could. Hats off to the defense. As well as White. I was a little harsh on Wynns performance, i guess i just expect more from our captain qb. I just feel like he is so good at times then completely off. Now we have the first PAC 12 game under our belt, he’ll improve and so will the offense. We need to look forward this week. USC had another gut check after almost losing again this week. PAST IS THE PAST lets get better this week and ill see you DOWN SOUTH!
That's the spirit!
Let’s see if we can’t find Heap’s family and pour some beer on ’em! :)
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 10:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Painful loss...
but a fun game.
I’ll say this though. If Wynn is healthy he has to have one of the worst arms in college football. His throws were terrible and most of them had nothing on them. Christopher and Anderson bailed him out quite a bit. I have some major doubts about Jordan right now.
Other than that, pretty much what I expected. I thought it would be tough to beat USC. Turnovers early kept the game from getting out of hand. It was nice to see the team battle back though and have a chance to tie it up at the end.
I think we’re a couple more years away from getting some more PAC 12 type recruits and winnings games like this. Once that happens though, I have a ton of confidence in this coaching staff to make sure the Utes are contenders every year.
And now onto BYU, were anything can, and probably will, happen. Go Utes.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I think we need to concede Wynn will be an all right quarterback...
Maybe not the killer we thought. But you know what? I’m fine with that. We don’t need a fantastic, all-world QB to win. We just need one with good decision making and, for the most part, he did that in this game.
Now let’s hope it carries over to next week.
I think it all depends on his shoulder and his head.
I think he’s more frustrated than anyone else about it. You can tell that he wants to do what he used to do, but it just doesn’t happen. He’ll have to figure out how to work through it.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 10, 2011 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Every ball I've watched in highlights has had a wobble on it...
…but I agree with Jazzy…I think he can adjust and manage this offense to wins. Plus his arm strength will get better with each “passing” week (yuk, yuk).
At the beginning of the season, I felt like the "line was 7 1/2 wins. I’d push the line to 8 after watching this game. There’s going to be 3 more losses between Washington, ASU, Pitt, Cal, Arizona.
I don’t see us losing to BYU…we’re going to be angry, and Heaps looks like he doesn’t make smart decisions when he’s under pressure.
8.5 is my prediction.
-Utah loses to ASU. Their QB looked way better than Barkley.
-Arizona has zero OL and run game. I think that is a win.
-Cal I heard they might have the best D in the PAC 12 and a surprisingly good QB. I haven’t seen them but I’m not too worried if they needed OT for Colorado.
-Washington got pushed by an FCS school and we get them off a bye at home. Ute win.
-Pitt is a toss up for me. I don’t think they will be as good as they were last year. They lost too many NFL draft picks. Still a cross country game is always tough.
BYU is always a coin flip.
Could be another loss somewhere, maybe UCLA.
by UteinBrooklyn on Sep 10, 2011 11:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I’d say an 8-4 regular season sounds about right. Although 7-5 wouldn’t surprise me either. A lot of that is riding on Jordan’s arm right now imho.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I'm going with 9-3...
Losses @ Arizona and @ Pitt.
Pac-12 title game loss to Oregon, so technically 9-4.
I'd go Stanford over Oregon in the North...
…and I’ll go 8-5 with Utah losing to Cal, @ Pitt, @ Arizona, & Stanford in the Pac-12 Championship game. Utah wins in the Holiday Bowl vs. Texas…further humiliating BYU by creaming Mack Brown’s crew…who will say they didn’t care about the game or some other pitiful excuse.
This works, as ASU will beat Arizona, who will finish tied with us at 6-3 in conference play (losing to USC, Stanford, and Utah…of course). Arizona will lose to both Oregon and Stanford, ASU, and USC and finish 5-4 in conference play. We have the tie breaker with ASU…cause we beat them!
I will book my tickets to Nor Cal now…so as to save the monies.
ASU scares me...
I’m not sure we can beat them, they looked pretty good the other night.
They’d also be my pick for the south division.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
I somewhat agree...they won a tough game...
…but they were at home. Let’s show them what a Ute crowd is really like. I don’t think they’re going to be prepared.
Teams don’t give us credit…yet.
Agree Completely
Wynn isn’t going to be the gunslinger, go out and win a game single handedly, throw the ball down the field all game type of QB. At least not this year.
Wynn’s going to be a Not kill your team, mostly mid range passes, Get your team in position to win the game.
Which honestly, is a good fit for a Norm Chow offense.
He’s going to be a lot like 2007 Brian Johnson,
4th and 1, run game, D line, Wynn
I think Utah should have kicked the FG at the USC 25 on 4th and 1. They did the same thing at Oregon two years ago and it came back to haunt them. At least bring in a FB, TE, line up and run for less than 1 yard. I don’t like the call.
Utah’s front seven got pushed around all game. USC moved the ball with ease at times. Utah had no pass rush until late. They were my biggest disappointment. It was one area i thought the Utes could control. Instead, Tyler averages 5 yards a carry.
Wynn threw for almost 250 a TD and no INTs. Sure he had some ducks, but Utah couldn’t establish a run game for almost three quarters. When you are 2nd and 10, 3rd and 10 it’s easy to make defensive play calls. Wynn had plenty of time in the pocket when they didn’t blitz but sometimes he couldn’t throw because no one was open down field. That’s on the WRs to get some separation.
Still Utah hung around and scrapped back into the game and had a chance to go into OT. USC just made a play. The score might have been tied had Utah been smart and put points on the board while in position in the first half.
That's an important over looked point
Run game was atrocious. At one point White had 5 rushes for -4 yards. Later he had 7 rushes for 0 yards well into the 2nd quarter.
For two of the drives in the 4th quarter White was out.
We absolutely positively never want Wynn throwing the ball 46 times.
P.S.
I think the lack of run game was more because of the OL getting blown up, than the RB’s.
Don't forget about all those swatted balls..
Does anyone have a total count on how many of Wynn’s passes we’re swatted down? I was too furious every time it happened to keep track. Must have been at least 5 or 6.
So, it's official. The Pac-12 has stepped in and changed the score to a allow the TD...
This is remarkable to me considering the game ended and once the game ended, I thought that was it. Who knew conferences could go back and overrule the officials?
I hope fans that bet on Utah already cashed in their tickets. HAHA
How does the house call people back with their winnings? Do they just pay out again? No effect on the game, but weird.
by UteinBrooklyn on Sep 10, 2011 11:01 PM MDT up reply actions
bravo
Within 3. I’ll take it. Now Wynn work on your arm and CUT THAT HAIR.
by aUTmanAMi on Sep 10, 2011 10:59 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I say OL work on opening a running attack.
I think Wynn did alright. 238 a TD and no INTs. Utah got beat at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, period.
by UteinBrooklyn on Sep 10, 2011 11:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't care how many yards Wynn had...
just about every pass he threw was off the mark, fluttering like a dead duck, or both. His throws are going to have to get a lot better. Yes, his decision making is fine, but you can’t have a QB who throws like that. USC had a couple balls that they could have easily picked that were dropped. We aren’t going to be that lucky every week.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Why not establish a run game?
Yeah Wynn threw some ducks it’s obvious. I don’t think that is our biggest problem though. Our supposed team strength (front seven) got pushed around all game. Tyler averaged 5 yards a carry. Aside from an 18 yard gain, White had 38 yards on 19 carries. One situation (USC) gets the team a 3rd and short, the other (Utah) a 3rd and long. You can’t put this on Wynn at all.
by UteinBrooklyn on Sep 10, 2011 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Running game early on was awful...
yes, we lost the battle up front on both sides of the ball most of the game and that hurt.
But I’m not putting all of this on Wynn. The only thing I’m putting on Wynn are his shitty throws. Obviously there are other parts of the team that have to improve as well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Because we couldn't...
I remember at least 4-5 occasions where White looked like he ran into a brick wall. Those USC defenders are legit.
Just like you have to establish a run game, the defense has to respect your passing game…and they ran man-to-man coverage most of the game. You’re not going to gain much on the ground if you’ve got 7-8 in the box.
We need a BIG RB
Why don’t they convert Luke Matthews? He is big, fast, and under used….
Lay off the hair
He’s growing it for Locks of Love
Sould they spike the ball before that final kick?
So that they can set up a good field goal play?
unbelievable and typical
The mighty trojans—hah—give me a break—they lack cohesion and are not explosive, they were so beatable today. ASU will smoke them in Tempe—I’ll be disappointed if we don’t.
As for the utes they are even less explosive and that will kill them in this conference—a 5-4 record is about your ceiling. Looking at your schedule—you’re looking down the barrel of a 1-5 start. You are averaging just over 5yds a pass attempt—that aint gonna get it done in the PAC—the devils are averaging 10.6—see what I’m getting at?
Good luck utes—you are gonna need it.
But you're right. If there is one thing ASU fans know, it's losing in the Pac...
So I do respect your opinion.
by JazzyUte on Sep 11, 2011 12:50 AM MDT up reply actions 5 recs
If I were an ASU fan...
…I’d be on Mill Ave. looking for Girls Gone Wild…not creating SB Nation profiles just to feed my anti-social personality disorder by being a dick to complete strangers.
Of course, you could do that on Mill Ave too…but I’m betting you know you’d get your ass kicked…hence the security of anonymity the Internet provides.
Speaking of which…what did these assholes do before the Internet? Were there less assholes before the Internet? Someone should research this kind of stuff. Sounds like work for an ASU student…and their Walter Cronkite school of broadcasting…pride of the Pac-12, that program.
One thing you utes can get used to...
ASU fans using remedial logic and thinking their team is better than it always is… and
ASU, you will quickly learn has the largest assortment of bandwagon fans who jump on after every win and disappear after every loss, so if you beat them, which you should in RES then you won’t hear a peep again…
Utah vs USC
I was at the Coliseum for the game. Gentlemen, this is big time football.
USC fans really know how to throw a pre-game party. Tail gate parties on the USC campus were everywhere.
The Utah alumni association did a great job of hosting a fantastic party also. Great food and I met a lot of great fans who traveled from SLC for the game.
As for the game Jordan Wynn played well. He didn’t throw a pick and made some great passes. Christopher and Dres Anderson played very well also.
Out offense line on the other hand is average as we couldn’t run. It was pretty much Jordan and the receivers the entire game.
That Game...
was a FUN game to watch! We had a blast watching it. Our boys were in it the entire game. I’ll take a 3 point game at USC in the 4th with a chance to win any day. Your not going to loose many games when your D creates turnover like ours did last night. That being said, I do agree that the tackling was “less” than acceptable at times. That will change no doubt in my mind. My only knock on Wynn was his three step drop (poor to average) and he seemed to missing his reads at the line…looked like he missed uncovered and soon to open slot WR’s dragging the middle of the field all night. Looking forward to BYU. Texas, like last year, is NOT a good team by any measurement so I’m not sure what to make of BYU. I think it is a MUST win for no other reason than it is ALWAYS a must win ;)
GO UTES!!!
I am a Utah Man sir... I will be till I die.
Time to really see if this team is different than last year.
Last year this team wilted at the first sign of adversity. Tonight they kept fighting through adversity and were ooh so close.
Last year this team couldn’t get over a crushing defeat to TCU and it hung over them the rest of the year, specifically the dud against ND.
Time to see if this team can shake it off and beat the Team Down South in their own home next week.
next saturday
I’m not worried About next weeks game at all. A mediocre Texas team rallying back in the second half. Byu folding like a cheap suit in the 4th . Its traditional byu football to blow the game. Utah is gonna hit the field tuff this week and really work on that offense. As for heaps one hard sack and he’ll fold.
by aUTmanAMi on Sep 11, 2011 9:08 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
the thoughts of someone who did not watch
-I applaud us for not wilting when it was 10-0. Ever since ND last year, Jordan Wynn has become better in this regard. SDSU and BYU last year, he could have folded, but didn’t. The kid is resiliant.
-John White had a good game after his start of 7 carries for no yards. We need him to have a dynamite game against BYU.
-Speaking of BYU. I am not as convinced as many of you. They are making their home opener. They are going to be fired up. Conversely, they have been unable to finish drives and I dare say that they haven’t faced a defense as good as ours yet. Thier defense is good.
-Dres Anderson and Devonte put up some nice numbers. Where was Moeai?
Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....
by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 11, 2011 9:55 AM MDT reply actions
Maybe.
Or maybe BYU will be deflated after basically guaranteeing themselves a trip to the Armed Services Bowl.
That's an important thing. The Cougars now have nothing to play for.
That said, Mendenhall, publicly at least, has said the first goal for the Cougars this year was the State Championship, so they should be up, since that’s the only goal they can accomplish now.
Great game
I was watching with my father in law. He said to me “Man, they sure don’t look like New Mexico.” and I replied “We sure don’t look like New Mexico either.” I think that just about encapsulates this game.
Wynn played very, very well. He is a very good quarterback, but it’s clear after watching the Pac-12 games this week that he isn’t a ‘Pac-12’ quarterback. The way Barkley and Osweiller sling that ball around is something to see. I’ll still take him under center every game this year and next; he never stops fighting and has great instincts (except the getridofthedamnball instinct).
I was disappointed in the D-line. Everyone else did what I expected them to do, except John White. That was more on the O-line than him, though.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 11, 2011 10:20 AM MDT reply actions
Wynn played very, very well. He is a very good quarterback
Um, don’t know what you saw but how many times did he miss throwing to a open WR in stride? Dres bailed him out at least 3-4 times and Christopher did it a couple times as well. He doesn’t get any velocity and can’t step up in the pocket like a man. Any time there is pressure off the edge he runs backwards and gets sacked or throws an incompletion
by PhuckthePhillies on Sep 11, 2011 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
He's a good quarterback...
I wouldn’t say very good. However, Wynn played lights out. It’s obvious he’s not near the level he was prior to his injury, and he still laid it all out on the field.
So piling on him isn’t appropriate. The kid nearly guided the team down field for a game-tying drive on the road against USC.
Did he play perfect? No – but he’s not the reason we lost the game.
Disagree
Every Utah and USC fan I’ve talked to has said Utah wins the game with a good QB. I agree he tried hard and everything, but he isn’t healthy and just isn’t that good. Its a sad thing that the Utes don’t have anyone better than him.
Early prediction- He won’t be the QB next year unless he improves
by PhuckthePhillies on Sep 12, 2011 8:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Well those USC fans and Utah fans you talked to aren't very well versed on football...
No offense, but your definition of good quarterback is remarkably unattainable then.
If Wynn isn’t Utah’s QB next year, it’s because we finished 2011 1-12.
Wynn had..
a 50% completion (23-46) and a 5.2 yd average.. not really the stats of a good qb.. granted he didnt throw an int and he tried hard given he is obviously having trouble with his shoulder but I agree with Phuck.. a solid qb and we would have walked away with the W
by UTalkintome? on Sep 12, 2011 11:51 PM MDT up reply actions
You're way off the mark on this one...
And it really shows how spoiled Ute fans are and why I fear we’re quickly becoming Zoobs when we throw a QB under the bus whose effort wasn’t lacking and his overall play wasn’t bad.
I get you weren’t fully happy with Wynn. I don’t think anyone was completely satisfied. But to throw him under the bus like you’re doing, suggesting he’s a bad QB (which I can only guess by your implication that even a ‘solid’ – not great – QB would have won this game in a walk) really makes me fear for this fan base.
It might sound like a gross overreaction, but when you’re pissing on an effort where the QB is asked to throw an incredible amount, doesn’t throw an interception, puts us in position to tie the game, what else can I think?
Even without a running game, even with an offensive line that couldn’t hold for much of the game, Wynn still threw for 238 yards, a touchdown and didn’t have an interception.
Compare that to Brian Johnson’s game against TCU in 2008 – a defense that had similar athletes as SC this season.
Johnson was 24/39 for 230 yards, one touchdown and only averaged 5.9 yards a throw – .7 more than Wynn Saturday.
The difference? Johnson, a senior QB, led Utah down field for the game-winning score at home. Wynn, a junior, led Utah down field for a potentially game-tying field goal on the road.
Of course, it’s not fair to compare Johnson to Wynn. Johnson had the ability to pad his stats against bad competition.
Against Oregon State, at home, Johnson was 17 of 30 for 201 yards, two touchdowns and 1 interception. He did average 6.7 Y/A, but was that a good performance? Of course not. Was Johnson a bad QB? Of course not. Were Utah fans, up until that final drive, ready to throw him under the bus? Of course.
I know, I know, but Johnson delivered when it mattered! Wynn didn’t! Well Wynn is also a junior. Wynn was also on the road. Wynn also moved Utah down field in that final drive.
I’m not going to whine about Wynn’s performance, not when I’ve seen far worse from Utah quarterbacks – not when it came on the road, AGAINST SC. Not when Utah had a chance to win the game.
It just seems really crazy to me that we’re going to say, “if Utah had a good QB, we would’ve won this game by a mile…” yet no one is saying, “If Utah could have established a run game…we would have won this game by a mile…” or, “if Utah’s offensive line hadn’t broken down at times, we would’ve won this game by a mile…”
But it’s all Wynn’s fault.
Utah had 81 total yards of rushing Saturday. Against Oregon State, in that game I outlined above, the Utes had 136 – which was something Johnson could lean on when he wasn’t playing well.
Wynn didn’t have that luxury. Wynn was asked to do it all and we’re going to complain when he came up just short?
I can’t. I won’t. Had Utah ran for 100-plus yards Saturday, they would have walked away with the W.
by JazzyUte on Sep 14, 2011 3:12 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Preach on Jazzy
I’ve been really disgusted with a good majority of the fan base this week with their treatment of Wynn.
I posted it in another thread but it also goes along with what you just said. Here are a few “If and we win” moments from that game.
If
We had an OL that could block…
Cullen doesn’t get called for so many false starts…
Quattro was in for the majority of the 4th quarter…
Ryan Lacy makes that pick six in the first quarter…
The officials correctly either called offsetting penalties, or a personal foul on Robert Woods for throwing punches, instead of calling a penalty only on Lacy that put USC deep in the red zone…
If Whit hadn’t rushed the FG unit on the field and actually let him set up…
There were so many "If and we win" moments in that game. We did not lose the game because of Wynn.
Utah has a great chance to be in the PAC Championship game
SC fan here. I honestly don’t know how good either team is, but a lesser team could have easily wilted. Utah kept going at it all night long, and in this year’s PAC South that might be good enough. ASU is talented but undisciplined, but also the toughest test left in the South. I don’t see Arizona, UCLA, or Colorado making a serious bid this year, so it will be up to Utah and ASU. Great showing by you guys and best of luck moving forward.
by SenorChuy on Sep 11, 2011 10:25 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
thank you sir.
best of luck the rest of the way to SC!
Want to see someone really get their brain twisted up? Try explaining the Monty Hall problem to them....
by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 11, 2011 10:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
Hope you fellas go 12-0; make us look good! Look out next year in SLC, though. =D
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 11, 2011 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
to the sc fan
Finally some class coming from an opposing team. I just wanted to say I feel bad for the SC players even if they go 12-0 no bowl game or championship. Its to bad Reggie bush had to blow it. But then again ask yourself what would you do?
by aUTmanAMi on Sep 11, 2011 10:39 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I was at the game..
and I just gotta USC fans are awesome!! They know how to party, they know how to be friendly, fun, and competitive. Seriously had a blast wandering their campus tailgating before the game.
Good!
I got a good vibe watching the game… they just need a head coach who isn’t such an irritant! Even they don’t seem to like him.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 11, 2011 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL. this is true..
From what I can tell the vast majority of fans are not too happy with Kiff…he lined up for a sec to go for 2 after their first TD and the crowd started booing. the SC fans around me kept telling me how much they wished they had whittingham instead.
Favorite Shot Of Kiffin
They just completed a 3rd down pass for 32 yards, but it was called back for a penalty (2nd or 3rd time that happened)
He’s on the sidelines with a blank stare on his face.
Absolutely classic.
Still don't know what to think...
I’m still trying to figure out what I learned from watching the second half last night.
A few things:
1. Regardless of his ability, I’ve decided that Jordan Wynn starts games terribly. Even the ones where he actually has a good game (think back- Cal, Pitt, Iowa State, etc). Looking forward to next week down south, I don’t like the prospect of being down 7-0 or around that heading into the 2nd quarter/half. Not in Provo. We need to come out and kick them in the jaw!!!
2. Our defensive line is a bit overrated….there I said it. I keep hearing about this deep talented front that we have and USC breaks in 3 young offensive lineman and we get worked like that?! Barkely seemed to be pressured less than half of the time, their running game destroyed us all night, and with USCs inexperienced line, I don’t like that at all.
3. JOHN F****** CULLEN. I’m so relieved I’m not the only one who is SICK and TIRED of this fool. He is the ONLY offensive lineman I can think of that consistently caused false starts last year and it looks like the trend will continue. He got lit up all night long!
4. Back to Wynn…….I am still wondering where to put him in the blame game. Jazzy, first off, I respect your opinion and insight religously, but on this one….I don’t know. I just don’t like the way he wilts when he is blitzed and turns is back to the defense. I understand escaping the pressure, but he doesn’t have to roll and lose sight of his down field targets. I think he was good in certain moments, but if we had won the game, I definitely wouldn’t give him the game ball. I just feel like I’m constantly being underwhelmed by Wynn. I did NOT like some of the decisions he made last night….
Maybe I’m being too pessimistic…this is following a loss after all. Feel free to tell me where I might be off, because I tend to be a little too negative when we lose haha…
Since not enough People are giving him the Blame and Ripping He Needs: Keith McGill
McGill was freaking terrible last night.
Out of position, bad angles, and not even trying to wrap up on tackles. There were a few times on third down, had he tried to actually tackle instead of just hit the opponent, we would have stopped the Trojans.
Since everyone is ripping Wynn, and Cullen (One deserved, one not so much), just figured that someone else who does deserve to get ripped, should be.
I expect (ed) big things from him. He hasn’t done much yet. Hope he turns it on quickly.
by PhuckthePhillies on Sep 11, 2011 3:56 PM MDT up reply actions
As A Ute Living In Happy Valley
It was hard to see my Utes lose, with all the wounded duck passes by Wynn and missed opportunities, not to mention PAC 12 officiating(you know they revamped the PAC 12 Officials corps right?), as saddened as I am by my Utes shooting themselves in the nuts, time after time, and sometimes the specter of Ron McBride, rears its ugly head snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, I still think we saw A BIG improvement this week. The last minute FG attempt? I dunno? I wonder if U$C watched our win over the Zoobs last year via blocked field goal on film? Anyway, we must soldier on. I need Utes from every corner of the land down in the happiest valley on earth to be the 12th, 13th, and 2000th man. The time is upon us gentlemen! Are we Cosmo’s bitch? I DON’T THINK SO!
Rise and shout! Enjoy the UTES Rout! of the TDS aka Pumas. GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The goal of every Ute fan should be to caffeinate Cosmo's punch and watch him self combust.
Don't look now, but Alex Smith leading the 49ers to a 16-0 halftime lead over Seattle...
He’s 9-11 for 82 yards and a rushing TD. Hope he keeps it up!
as a 49ers fan I think harbaugh will help him turn it around
I’ve had much more patience with smith over the years because of the tough situations he’s been put in and because he’s from utah
Vanilla
Harbaugh in week 1 is running the same conservative game that Utah ran against Montana State.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Sep 11, 2011 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions
They got the win
Smith isn’t first in line for the MVP, but he played a solid game. They are developing a very stout defense, maybe game-management is the way to go. I would love to see him in the playoffs.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 11, 2011 9:51 PM MDT reply actions
anyone?
Damn this thread is A long scroll down. Jazzy lets move on to this week
:) any predictions ?
by aUTmanAMi on Sep 11, 2011 10:36 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Pac-12 Rankings
Ted Miller Moved Utah up 1 spot even after the loss.
Good game Utes but I wonder what it means.
Not to go all double rainbow on you, but I suppose we’ll have to see how good USC really is before making a final judgment. They barely beat Minnesota last week, a team which just got smacked at home to a mid-level WAC team. They had 9 drives into your half of the field and only scored 2 TDs and a FG. Maybe that’s a bend-but-don’t-break type of defense but on the surface it isn’t too impressive. If you hadn’t won the turnover battle 3-1 it could be argued that the game would have been out of reach entering the 4th. On top of that, the jury is still out on Lane Kiffin’s ability as a HC and how tough playing @USC really is.
That said, I certainly don’t consider Utah a “little brother.” I didn’t before this game either. Unless you guys can’t win more than 3 or 4 conference games, and then maybe… I fully expect Utah to be in contention for the South title but I didn’t see much in this game to raise my opinion of the team. Maybe that’s because I had somewhat high expectations to begin with…
"Ignorance is the parent of fear." ~Melville

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