Utah (1-1) @ BYU (1-1)
It doesn't feel right writing a Utah-BYU preview in September - yet that's exactly what I'm doing.
For the first time since 1967, the Utes and Cougars will not be playing their annual rivalry game in the month of November. The only time the game has ever been this early in the season was all the way back in 1958, a 14-7 BYU victory.
But we better get used to it. Outside the two joining the same conference (that's not going to happen), as long as the rivalry continues, it will most likely be played sometime in September. It will be an odd adjustment, especially when so many of these contests took place in the dead of winter, but ultimately, football is football and it really doesn't matter what month these two teams line up against one another.
Well that's not quite true. There is a big difference between playing a team the third week of the season and the final week of the season. Teams grow and improve as the season progresses and there is no better example of that than last year's BYU Cougars.
They started 2010 losing five of their first seven games and needed a four-game winning streak to climb from the cellar of the Mountain West and contend for a bowl game. They entered last year's rivalry game playing overall better football than the Utes, as Utah had lost two of their last three heading into that game and those two losses were far from competitive.
BYU was a better team on November 27th than they were on September 18th, when they lost to Florida State 34-10 on the road.
Had these two teams met in the third week of the season last year, I'm guessing victory isn't attained solely because of a blocked field goal. This was a team, after all, that would lose to the Utah St. Aggies on October 1st and only managed their third win toward the end of that month when they beat a struggling Wyoming Cowboys by five in Provo. The last BYU team to pick up their third win that late in the season was LaVell Edwards' 1973 squad - during his second season as the Cougars' coach.
Of course, this isn't necessarily about last year. This BYU team is not the '10 Cougars who needed a dramatic late season rally just to get to bowl eligibility. But they're also not the same BYU team that entered last year's Holy War on a tear, averaging 42 points per game during their four consecutive wins.
Like Utah, no one is quite sure what to make of these Cougars. Their offense, which is being led by sophomore Jake Heaps, has not been all that impressive in their first two games. Like the Utes, the Cougars have changed offensive coordinators, replacing Robert Anae, who had been with the program since Bronco Mendenhall's first season, with former BYU quarterback Brandon Doman.
So both programs are kind of in offensive limbo at the moment as they adjust to their new staffs.
But I think it's clear the Cougars are going through a bit more growing pains than the Utes at the moment. In their 17-16 loss to the Texas Longhorns, neither Heaps or the offense could find much offensive flow, especially in the second half. After opening a 13-0 lead on Texas in the second quarter, BYU was outscored 17-3 the remainder of the way.
The performance in the second half has to be an overall concern, especially when you couple it with their dismal offensive performance a week earlier against Ole Miss - a team that gave up 30.5 points per game last season.
Though the Cougars finished with 235 yards overall, much of that was in the first half and Heaps struggled, especially late in the game, at moving the ball - BYU had zero first downs in the fourth quarter, when they needed them the most.
Because of that, they could never threaten Texas again once the Longhorns took a one-point lead and even though a field goal would have won them the game, the closest they ever got to scoring position was their own 31 yard line.
As I flipped between their game and Utah's against the Trojans, you got an overall sense that even though BYU was technically in this one, their one-point deficit certainly felt far larger.
Texas would eventually put an end to any chance of a BYU comeback when Heaps was intercepted on their final drive.
It was his second of the game and third of the season.
Heaps is an interesting study. Heading into this season, the local media built him into this phenom that was ready to go out and just absolutely tear it up in his sophomore season. Bronco Mendenhall even didn't use the overall allocated practice time during fall camp because his team was supposedly well ahead of schedule.
After two weeks, a ho-hum win over the Rebels and a dispirited loss to Texas, you've got to wonder if that added practice time might've helped.
Fortunately for the Cougars, they do appear to have a very good defense. It's really their only saving grace at this point and the reason they're not 0-2 - as their winning score against Ole Miss came on a forced defensive fumble.
That is what they'll have to lean on against the Utes. Even so, the defense did show some troubling tendencies in their loss to Texas last week.
Even though Garrett Gilbert looked just awful for the Longhorns in the first half, and they didn't really rely on the passing game, Case McCoy, who came in after the coaching staff realized Helen Keller would have been a better quarterback than Gilbert, was steady enough in his throws, specifically on third down, to completely change the dynamics of the game. McCoy finished 7 of 8 for 57 yards - though averaged 7 yards a pass.
Where BYU's defense really buckled, though, was in their run defense. Texas rolled up 166 yards on the ground, and as the game progressed, you could see that run attack was just absolutely wearing down the Cougars' defensive line.
Like I said, this was a one-point game for much of the fourth quarter and yet, it never really felt like BYU was in it. Maybe that's because I'm wearing my red-tinted goggles here, but as I pointed out earlier, they could not get close to Texas territory in that fourth quarter and actually only crossed it once in the second half, where they managed a field goal with about five minutes remaining in the third quarter.
That brings up potentially the most damning thing about BYU this season thus far. They are awful in the red zone. The Cougars have been there six times this season and only have two touchdowns to show for it. But hey, they do have three field goals!
To compare, the Utes have been to the red zone, like the Cougars, six times this season and have five touchdowns - three through the air and two on the ground.
BYU lost Saturday because they made it to Texas' red zone three times and only scored one touchdown.
They almost lost against Ole Miss because of the same reason.
Will it cost them again Saturday?
Then there is Utah. The Utes, like BYU, went on the road and played a storied program very close. But the feel of the Utes' game was far different than that of the Cougars'. Maybe, again, I'm viewing this from a biased view and it's clouding my judgment just a bit - but I thought, on their final drive, Utah was going to win Saturday. I never got that feeling in the second half about BYU. I felt they could win when they were up 13-0, but the second things started shifting for Texas, it just didn't look good for the Cougars.
Not so for the Utes, though. That final drive reminded me of the special game-winning drives we saw against Oregon State and TCU in '08. Everything seemed to be going their way. Jordan Wynn did not throw an interception, like Heaps, he wasn't making bad throws (though they weren't pretty), like Heaps, and he stepped it up on third down every single time - well, except for once, but even then, he was able to connect on fourth down.
We didn't win the game, obviously, but to come back like they did, taking every Trojan hit, to be in the position they were in, speaks volumes for this team's composure and its drive.
I'm not going to suggest BYU gave up Saturday, because I don't think they really did, but that fourth quarter was dominated by the Longhorns. The Cougars could not get a stop defensively when they needed, Utah did, and they couldn't make the big plays on offense to put themselves in position to win the game, Utah did.
It's my belief Utah left So. Cal feeling far more confident in their ability than BYU when they departed Austin. Do I have any evidence to back this up? Of course not. Could I be proven wrong Saturday? Most definitely.
But, as of right now, I think the Utes are the better team and have more confidence in what they are doing than BYU.
That's going to be the difference this weekend. The Cougars enter with a lot of questions, specifically surrounding their offense, I think Utah answered a lot of their questions against the Trojans.
Hopefully that confidence carries over into this weekend because, as much as I think BYU is struggling at the moment, the Cougars still have talent and are playing their home opener. They're going to be fired up. History has also taught us that this game is generally very, very close. Last year, it came down to one play. The year before that, it came down to one play. It very well could come down to one play again Saturday.
Utah wins if...The offense continues to improve. Jordan Wynn was not flawless and it's obvious his throwing is nowhere near where it needs to be. However, he also didn't throw an interception, made some big third down conversions (a bigger fourth down one on the final drive) and played with a lot of heart. He also looked much better than in the opening game against Montana State and I'm hopeful he'll look even better against BYU.
BYU wins if...Jake Heaps finally gets his act together and lives up to his potential. The Cougar offense has woefully underperformed this season and because of that, the Cougars are not a very good team. With that said, if this offense does figure it out, they'll become good fast.
What should happen...A lot of people are predicting a very low scoring game after the offensive performances from both the Utes and Cougars last week. While I don't think both teams will light up the scoreboard, I'm not so sure it'll be a soccer match, either. This game is going to be close, but I think the Utes pull away late and win 24-10.
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i actually have to agree
i am not sure byu or utah could have hung with Auburn on the road in week 1. I am also not sure BYU or Utah has the firepower to beat up on Weber St. like USU did.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 9:10 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm on Jazzy's side...
You can’t assess the quality of the Utah St. program based on what very well could have been a fluke by Auburn, vs. an amped up and well prepared Gary Andersen…and Weber St. is no measuring stick.
Remember…Utah St. played Oklahoma close in their first game of the year (I think Andersen is like Coach Whit…and does very well when given more than 7 days to prepare)…
…and beat BYU last year…and went on to have a fairly marginal season, losing to teams like La. Tech and Idaho.
So I am not ready to buy that USU is really better than teams who have far better recruits, just because of one close game, and a blowout vs. an FCS team.
last year
utah state had a ton of injuries to key players down the stretch. I mean, it was ridiculous. far more than the average team.
just saying…..
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
No question that Turbin is the real deal...
…and I have been impressed with Keeton (I think at this point, we’d love to have him on our roster).
…but I still am not ready to sign off on USU as a complete team…even if they beat CSU, which they are totally capable of doing.
USC is better than auburn...
Auburn lost a lot of people and coming off a NCG really didn’t think twice about Utah State, of course Gary Anderson is good enough to make them (almost) pay for it but if utah state and utah played I promise utah would win.
i am thoroughly unconvinced of that
but we are only two games in.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh come on...
If USU is better than Utah, we need to fire Kyle Whittingham this second because he’s let the program deteriorate badly since Andersen left to go coach up in Logan. There is no excuse for Utah to be worse than USU. So if that’s the case, we’re in need of a coaching change.
Because I can guarantee you the Aggies will be no better than 6-6 this year. So if we’re not better than a 6-6 WAC team, we’ve got a lot of problems and probably will win only one or two games.
i dont know.
i think they will be better than 6-6. I am just sayign that this aggie team is not the aggies of the past. We wouldn’t just crush them and im not convinced we would beat them convincingly.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Have you looked at USU's schedule?
While I agree that Utah is better than USU, the Aggies should easily get to 6-6:
vs. Colorado State
@ BYU
vs. Wyoming
@ Fresno State
vs. Louisiana Tech
@ Hawaii
vs. San Jose State
@ Idaho
vs. Nevada
@ New Mexico State.
If the Aggies can’t get 6 more wins versus the likes of CSU, Wyo., La. Tech, San Jose St., Idaho, and New Mexico St., then they may never have a winning season.
here is how I see it
vs CSU: win
@BYU: toss up
vs Wyoming: win in a landslide
@Fresno: loss
vs. La. Tech: win in a landslide
@hawaii: loss
vs. SJSU: ha ha ha ha ha!!!!
@Idaho: win
vs Nevada: win
@NMSU: win.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
If how you see it happens...
The Utes are probably looking at a three-win season. If we’re no better than even a 7-win WAC team, whose wins came against awful WAC teams, we’re not going to even sniff .500 play.
Like I said, fire Whittingham if that’s the case because he really let the program slip since 2008 and there is no excuse for a scenario where the Aggies, who haven’t had a winning season in forever, become the best program in the state (even if just a year).
not outside the realm of possibility
highly unlikely yes.
my main point is.
If Utah and Utah State played today, I am not sure we would beat them. Most likely, we would. But I am not as convinced as everyone else. Just saying, they look pretty good so far.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions
See, I am sure...
Because we are better. We’re not Auburn. Auburn is horribly coached. We are not. Bad teams, average teams, can hang with decent teams solely because of coaching. We are better in every department.
IF this were the McBride-era Utes, I’d fully agree. But we’re not the McBride Utes. We’re the Whittingham Utes and I have faith that he would not allow his team to get tripped up over an improving, but far from great, Utah State team.
A win vs nevada and a toss up @ LES?
I think they lose both those games..
by UTalkintome? on Sep 12, 2011 5:11 PM MDT up reply actions
nevada lost a LOT
from last year. seriously, they aren’t even close to the same team.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 13, 2011 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Exactly my point...
I see them losing to BYU, Fresno, Hawaii, Idaho and at least one home game. That’s six losses right there – best case.
I wouldn't say "best"...
But I would certainly say, “Had the most impressive performance so far this season.”
Great game
I love how the trajectories of both teams are very similar over these first two games. I look forward to a close one, but I think we are the better team. Heaps looked awful on Saturday… that interception to end the game was an absolute disaster of a throw.
I think you got the score exactly right. In regards to confidence, Whit’s talk shows how he feels about this team. He is certainly confident in them. Let’s go get ’em.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 12, 2011 7:15 AM MDT reply actions
Speed Kills
And the Utes have it. While we were out “manned” in the trenches, our Utes looked very fast compared with our Pac-12 counterparts. I think that we will have the advantage of both speed and “braun” against the cougs and it will be evident next weekend. To be honest, I believe Doman has some issues right now finding the reins of his “fast-paced, high-octane” offense. DiLuigi has been legit, but they are going to need their best performance of the year to make a dent in the Ute defense. I think Wynn gets on track this week and Chow starts putting the ball in our playmakers hands more often.
Can’t wait for this one…
Utes by 2 TD’s and BYU continues its effort to stay out of the endzone…
BYU Won't Outman Utah
One nice thing about having played USC is that we won’t play another team all year as big or as talented as they were.
BYU may be big poundage wise on the OL, but they aren’t as good, or as physical as USC.
I’m not worried about BYU’s DL. They haven’t looked as good as people want to make them out during the last two weeks. They weren’t really getting a lot of pressure in either game. Van Oy and Pendleton are there only legit threats.
Heh
Do you realize what this is? We’ve been in the Pac-12 for exactly two weeks and we’re already saying we have better athletes than a non-AQ team. =D
I agree in this case, I just think it’s funny.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 12, 2011 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
You're mistaked
We’ve always had better athletes than BYU.
Shipley/McCoy Made me feel good this week.
Watching Shipley and McCoy just tear apart the Cougar Defense with mainly middle routes and speed is a good sign for the Utes.
Dres Can play the role of Shipley just fine, and Wynn was throwing those same passes McCoy was.
Yeah, I think we have a good chance
but this is going to be an ugly game that I am not going to watch.
Hopefully, we get the running game going this week. John White is on pace for 1000+ yards. When was the last time a running back of ours had a good day against BYU? Here is to hoping for a 100+ yard day.
GO UTES!
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 9:12 AM MDT reply actions
O-line
Our offensive line during the usc game was terrible, Cullen especially.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Sep 12, 2011 9:23 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Both lines got exposed
The DL was my biggest disappointment. Tyler averaged nearly 5 yards a carry. He was running through wide open lanes for big gains. It was the one area I thought we would control. At least they stepped up with the game on the line and got the offense the ball back.
by UteinBrooklyn on Sep 12, 2011 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Fully agreed
O-line play, and to a slightly lesser extent, D-line play was sub-par all game.
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I was disappointed
In our running game… and weren’t we supposed to get more of Langi? he got tripped up once behind the line of scrimmage when White went down injured. I think he had one other carry besides. I want to see the big kid in there! I see him listed at 6-2 and 6-1… I was surprised we didn’t see more of him against USC, especially since White struggled a little bit making yards after contact due to the size difference.
To clarify, I’m not saying White had a terrible game! 20 for 56 isn’t good, but I thought he kept the defense honest.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 12, 2011 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Langi and run game
Langi is a true freshman. That equals 18 years old. He’ll be around, we need to have some patience and let him develop and gain some confidence.
And as far as White goes, he really fought back in the second half. He single-handedly willed himself to get a couple of first downs and a touchdown by fighting, staying low, and keeping his legs driving.
I really think nerves were part of Utah’s problem early. They settled down in the second half and looked better. Not great, but better.
by UteinBrooklyn on Sep 12, 2011 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah
I think White had a decent game, and I would not have expected to see Langi had the coaching staff not talked about using him a lot. I do think he might have found some success, though.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 12, 2011 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
2010
Both teams last year were overrated. Utah as they blew out weak early season opponents, and byu as they blew out basically the same teams later in their schedule.
This year both teams come into seemingly about even too. Both teams struggle on offense, while their defenses keep the teams in the game.
however the divergence in week 3 and difference maker is that I feel our offense is slowly improving while theirs hasn’t.
by Utah-UCLA alum on Sep 12, 2011 9:20 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
BYU is a 6.5 point early favorite
History indicates this game won’t be a two touchdown win for Utah. It’s a coin flip that usually comes down to the last play.
After watching the USC game, I have more confidence in Utah’s secondary which was a primary concern going into the season. They got beat at times, but only allowed one TD. I also had more confidence in the passing game. Yeah Wynn didn’t have a lot of mustard on his passes but Dres Anderson came up big and Christopher went for over a bill along with a TD. They moved the ball when it was critical and put themselves in a position to win or at least go into OT. That is a positive.
New concern is the run game. If Utah continues to have 3rd and longs, they will struggle all season. Utah should have more success running the ball against BYU. And White has to hang onto the ball. Let’s not forget that he gifted USC a touchdown when he dropped a pitch inside Utah’s own 25. These small mistakes in the first half are the slight margins of error that make games more difficult to win at the conclusion.
And the front seven got pushed around opening up huge holes for Tyler and co. BYU probably has a better, stronger OL than USC. Granted, it’s geared for a passing attack, but the point is that it’s not going to be any easier this week up front. They have to step up and stop the run. Utah has to control the line of scrimmage. That is where they lost against USC.
Vegas
usc is better than texas and certainly better than byu. And Matt Barkley is definitely is better than ‘jimmer’ heaps.
If I were coach Whit, I would tack the vegas line in the locker room. By the way I loved how we came out in the hurry up against SC. =)
by Utah-UCLA alum on Sep 12, 2011 10:08 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Protect the Quarterback!!!
That’s all we need to do and we will win games.
Judging by the USC game, however, that’s something that’s easier said than done; our tight ends and runners can’t block and our line sure as hell can’t.
I keep hearing that Jordan was “floating balls” and “throwing off his back foot”—yeah, that’s because our tackles were getting blown up on every play and there were 2 or more 300+ pound d-lineman in his face. On the rare occasions that Jordan had time on Saturday, he was finding men running open and throwing strikes.
Protect the quarterback and we can win every game left on the schedule. It’s that simple. Really.
And Utah couldn't run the ball either
For the exact same reason: O-line was getting absolutely blown up. I’m seriously worried about our line.
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Agreed.
Poor John White was doing everything he could. He took a beating, and actually got some yards when he should’ve been dropped 5 yards back. He’s got heart, and I respect that. Hopefully the men up front can start making some lanes for him.
Better line play will improve all facets of our offense.
Agreed
I feel even better about John White than ever, he showed amazing heart and motor after getting constantly blown up all evening!
Agree
I think most of his MSU issues were related to how much time he had to throw the ball and let thing develop. You can tell a bad QB when they get lots of time and they still miss the open receiver. That said, I do think Jordan should look to step up into the pocket more and even run the ball (sliding is fine) if nothing is open or he sees room to run.
Hopefully I won't throw my phone at the wall at the end of this game.
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by kirkhambiz on Sep 12, 2011 12:16 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I take two things away from the USC game..
One- I feel pretty confident in Utah’s ability to move the chains against BYU when they were able to get going at times against a much better defensive front by USC.
Two- I feel much more confident in Wynn strangely enough, so many people speak of wynn looking terrible and floating ducks all over the place and although I hate when Wynn runs backwards out of the pocket just to be sacked for a loss of 20 yards, you have to admire how he played USC and just made plays to keep utah in there, I think he will be just fine, especially against the tds!
GOOD LUCK UTES, beat the Zoobs!
I had a friend who was offering 2/1 odds that BYU would beat Utah straight up...
…and he just took it off the table today. Of course it’s typical for the September National Champion BYU Cougars to think they are better than they really are…but I think this is saying a lot when the ever optimistic BYU fan base is worried about their chances at home.
My biggest concern going into last week was the ability of our Secondary to provide adequate coverage. Barkley is far better than Heaps, Woods is better than any BYU WR…and we managed them pretty well.
…however…
USC had success when they went with quick slant plays, and did move the ball with moderate success during the 1st half.
BYU has the ability to exploit that. DiLuigi is a decent receiver coming out of the backfield, and we all know that BYU uses their TE well.
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To me, this game will come down to the ability of the opposing team to put pressure on the QB. Heaps makes poor decisions when he’s rushed…but his O-line has some NFL talent, and should be able to give him time to allow the plays to develop.
Wynn did a good job given the mediocre protection he had…and can expect to get a lot more pressure this week from Pendleton/Van Noy/Kevinga…but if he’s given enough time, Christopher/Anderson/Dunn will make BYU’s secondary look silly…assuming that Wynn has the strength to get the ball there. I wonder if they’ll give Wynn the deep ball?
Those are my initial thoughts.
I really wonder about Mendenhall's propensity to declare that the Cougars are "there" before they are there.
Bronco Mendenhall even didn’t use the overall allocated practice time during fall camp because his team was supposedly well ahead of schedule.
After two weeks, a ho-hum win over the Rebels and a dispirited loss to Texas, you’ve got to wonder if that added practice time might’ve helped.
There is always something to improve. ALWAYS. And they are a team that tries to out-execute their opponent. Repeated practice is the way to out-execute someone.
Putting that aside, though, I really question the message that Mendenhall is sending to his team. With a few days of fall camp remaining, he is sending the message that it’s okay to be complacent. There’s no need to work or to improve anymore. That is about the worst message you can send to your team.
He's had a history of this...
Back in 2008, they didn’t use their total practice time prior to their bowl game against Arizona.
They got their clocks cleaned.
Right.
And I don’t get it. You never want to send the message to your team that it’s okay to be complacent.
Bronco has done some weird things...
Which cracks me up mostly because, in Whittingham’s first two years, BYU fans raked him over the coals for some of his comments (Utah had the best QB situation in the country in ‘06…) and yet, since Whittingham matured as a coach, he’s been far more careful than Bronco in this regard.
Off the top of my head…
Saying football is fifth on their list – it sounds good to parents, I guess, but let’s be realistic: football is the only reason many of these kids are attending BYU.
Quest for Perfection – he can try to downplay it and say it wasn’t for an undefeated season, but when you talk up perfection prior to a down being played, you’re just setting your team up to fail.
Never losing an in-state recruiting battle – how’s that worked out for him?
Band of Brothers...
He looks like an idiot wearing that shirt out there. Isn’t that practically like when Kellen Winslow said “I’M A F$#@ING SOLIDER”? Just wear a polo like the rest of the world…
…and let’s not forget how he has called them the “Army of Helaman” …which probably makes no sense if you’re not LDS, but is quite ridiculous if you are.
Also SHIT is a funny acronym…
Spirit
Honor
Integrity (which they removed from this list, because of the fun Utah fans were having)
Tradition (not since the 80’s though…although you’d be hard pressed to get a BYU fan to believe that)
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…and not to get personal, but his kid’s names are stupid…Raeder-Steel, Breaker, and Cutter (hopefully none of you or your kids are named that :-)
He epitomizes pretty much everything I hate in a BYU fan, believing that a 10-2 season is successful in a non-BCS conference (even though he chokes on most big games, or pisses away a game they should never lose).
Thinking that they finished the 2010 season strong…but that the 2010 Utah team was overrated.
Arrogance, delusion and hypocrisy. Those should be the Coach Bronco “values”.
…anyway, there’s my rant…
yeah that
Army of Helaman comment was a joke. If you are LDS, you have to scratch your head, but zoobs will defend that all day every day.
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by BigBenSportsGuy on Sep 12, 2011 2:21 PM MDT up reply actions
BYU fans will be douche-bags online...
…and think that they’re living “in harmony” with church teachings…so whatever.
You can’t tell me that Max Hall and his attitude is a-typical of the BYU fan base. They’ll trash Fotu for his DUI, trash us for picking up this kid from Baylor, call the entire team and fan base amoral…but turn a blind eye to Van-Noy, think that Davies is a great example of “repentance”…and that Jimmer & Heaps “mission” is to play sports.
…and they think their “program” is a missionary tool. BYU’s fan base makes me ashamed to be LDS.
His approach and attitude
Mirrors the approach and attitude of the worst brand of BYU fans- self-righteous and overbearing… even when they lose, it’s either okay because they are actually better on the field, or it’s okay because they are such saints off the field.
Could be worse. Cougs could be coached by Lane Kiffin.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 12, 2011 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
qb comparison
Heaps was 22/38 for 192 yards. 1 td. 2 int. Wynn was 23/46 for 238. 1 td and zero ints. So ill take the few more passes more yards same td’s and not a single interception. Wynn will work that arm all week. And on Saturday work byu defense. So you cocky little y fans will see its time to put up or shut up.
by aUTmanAMi on Sep 12, 2011 2:20 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Wynn's shoulder
Do you guys think that Wynn will ever get his pass strength back? I thought for sure that after the Montana State game he would treat the USC game as a homecoming for him of sorts (he probabaly did) but we still saw the trend of the “duck” pass…is this something to be worried about? I mean, I thought that with such a big game with USC, he would do whatever is necessary to fix the problem, whether it’s in his head or not, but the floaters linger….I have a hunch that it might not change and with that kind of problem, it can’t look good for us.Wynn almost threw a couple picks… we might not want to take comfort in that 0 Int category as the USC linebackers just dropped the ball. I am hoping that John White will rip up the field. If we win this game, credit will go three places: The Defense, John White, and Wynn not having a terrible game.
You're going to find a lot of QBs almost throw picks...
Yeah, his passing is ugly, but I don’t care if he almost threw two interceptions – he didn’t in the end.
Hell, Barkley threw two near-pick sixes, but they don’t really count because Utah dropped ’em both times.
Great comment on the pick 6's
I was watching with a non-Ute who mentioned over and over the missed pick 6’s which would have been huge! I was just happy the balls went incomplete, but looking back, Utes could have taken the game over right there.
Also keep in mind that JWynn hasn’t had a lot of time to strengthen the throwing muscles in his shoulder that most likely atrophied when his arm was in a sling from surgery. It is going to take a little bit for his zip to come back (knock on wood that it does fully return), but I love the way he is managing the game right now. He isn’t forcing throws or making stupid mistakes (except for running backwards and taking sacks…yikes).
I like our chances against BYUs Defense this week, mainly because I have a feeling that Chow is going to use the dink-and-dunk short passes to nullify BYUs outside Linebackers. Make them cover the flats on short quick routes instead of rush the QB.
by Hockey Beard in SLC on Sep 12, 2011 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Why Not dink and Dunk BYU
That’s what killed them with Texas. Especially short passes to speedsters who were able to make plays.
Wynn's shoulder
looked worse throughout the game, in terms of his passes… I think he still lacks endurance.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 13, 2011 8:03 AM MDT up reply actions
To be fair to Wynn
We should never be asking him to throw it 46 times in a game, healthy shoulder or not.
Good point
Running game needs to show up. I think the USC D Line came to play… #8 was a beast
He will get his arm strength back...
I feel like I’m the resident BlockU “know it all” whenever I comment on this…
…but I injured my rotator cuff a few years back, and I’d say I’m back to about 95%. I lift weight pretty regularly, and my experience was this…
During the first 6 months, I had limited strength (I couldn’t lift more than 5lbs above my head without experiencing significant weakness), but full mobility. Pain was present, and acute if I made fast movements. I couldn’t lift weights that involved support from the shoulder (chest/shoulder press, flys). I would do strengthening exercises which would involve rubber bands, and 5lb weights like you might see a woman in a leotard and sweatbands using.
6 months to 1 yr…strength started to come back (70%), but during this period, I over-exerted myself and had a fairly significant setback…and was back to doing “strengthening exercises” again.
1 yr to 2 yrs…recovered from the setback, but still felt weakness in my right (injured) shoulder when I would lift, and I couldn’t go 100%. I’d say I was about 85% toward the end of that period. Throbbing pain would sometimes accompany the day after lifting.
2 years to present…I am back to almost full strength. I can still feel a little weakness, but usually it’s nothing that affects my strength. Occasionally I feel some pain, but it’s insignificant.
…now I’m 10 years older than Wynn, so I would think his recovery time would be faster…but I bet we don’t see the Wynn of old until next year…though I bet he improves from week to week as he builds strength, and also learns to manage his own expectations.
Is it just me..
or does it seem as though the D-Line may once again be a little overrated this year? I’m seeing flashes of last year’s line, little to no pressure on the QB etc. I was not able to watch the past game, but based on the MSU game and what I’ve heard from this game, we lack something.
I was more disappointed in the run stoppage.
Marc Tyler averaged 4.7 yards a carry, and D.J. Morgan averaged 3.4 yards a carry.
As for getting pressure on the QB, I think it’s very telling to Kiffin almost always had Barkley roll out before passing. He didn’t trust his offensive line to protect Barkely if he stayed in the pocket…
let our d do what they do
Establish the run game and stretch the defense. We will walk away with a w.
by aUTmanAMi on Sep 12, 2011 6:01 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
i must say im glad we played usc before byu
Partly because usc is our big game of the regular season. Where usually it is byu or tcu. And since usc is way more talented than byu it will feel like a breather for the utes playing a less talented team.
Now I’m not saying it is going to be easy it is just going to feel a bit easier than playing in the rose bowl.
I see a Ute win but by a small margin unless the offense can come to life
Are you sure he was safe? It looked like an out to the entire statium. Well bad call Blue.
by Alavel on Sep 12, 2011 11:33 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Coliseum, but I get your point...
BYU will be hard, but the Cougars aren’t SC and don’t have the talent SC does.
And, right now, I’m not impressed with Heaps.
No matter what happens...
The BYU game will be good. Looking forward to it.
Jazzy, I agree with most of your breakdown, except that Ute’s performance was that much better than BYU’s in their respective losses. I think those are the red goggles talking…
And I don’t think it will be a 14-point victory, although I do think the Utes will win.
Red goggles, maybe...
But anyone who watched that game saw BYU was out of it the second Texas got within six. The Longhorns dominated the second half and that wasn’t the case in our game against SC.
Like I said in the preview: BYU could not get a stop in the fourth quarter. They could not even get a first down in the fourth quarter. Our performance, overall, was better. We had a chance to win on that final drive, we set up to tie the game on that final drive. The closest BYU came to Texas territory in that final quarter was their own 31 yard line.
So I stand by that statement. When I watched the game, it didn’t feel at any point in that final quarter the Cougars were going to win. I felt Utah, on their final drive, was going to beat SC.
But maybe that is the goggles right there. Even so, the Utes got the stops on defense, BYU didn’t, and the offense put the team in position for a game-tying FG, BYU’s offense couldn’t even manage a first down in the fourth.
As for the score, I think it will be a very close game, definitely not a 14-point win and I didn’t say it would be.
It’s going to be one of those games, like the SC game, where a late, late score makes the outcome look more impressive than it actually is.
The prediction calls for the Utes to be up 7 late in the game, maybe they force a BYU turnover for the score, or get an insurance score with less than two left to pull ahead 24-10.
The difference
Between BYU and Utah’s games last week, as I see it, is this: the Utes game was decided by a few key plays: the White fumble, the not-pick-6 by Lacy (great coaching to take away Kiffin’s screen game, jumping those routes), and the blocked kick. The Cougars game was decided by the Cougars getting thoroughly outplayed in the entire second half. The scores were similarly close (well, sorta… stupid TD), but the Utes looked as good as the Trojans for four quarters. The Cougars looked as good as the Longhorns for two.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 14, 2011 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Not even two quarters
BYU started going into the fetal position with 12 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter.
I didn't watch
The first half. I saw the score at the half and said ‘huh, I guess I should see if they are good’. Then I found myself asking “how the hell did they score any points at all?”
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 14, 2011 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions

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