Could this be the first indication the Utah-BYU rivalry is dying?
by JazzyUte on Sep 28, 2011 6:28 PM MDT
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PrintBoise State and BYU announced today the signing of a twelve-game series that will begin next year. It's a huge deal that will span at least a decade and might indicate a monumental shift in the rivalry game between the Utes and Cougars.
Though there is still the possibility of BYU and Utah agreeing to a deal, especially if the Cougars remain independent for the foreseeable future, it is interesting that, a couple weeks after several subtle hints were dropped from Utah's side that the rivalry might not continue beyond the two-game series already scheduled, the Cougars turn around and invest in a multi-year series with the Broncos.
I could be reading way into things here and that wouldn't be the first time. However, it's rare you ever see two programs make such a commitment to scheduling - unless they're rivals.
Could Boise State be BYU's new rival?
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Yes, this is another sign.
The biggest sign is the simple fact that there is only one more game currently scheduled. Utah has a 4 game deal with Utah State that extends to 2015, but for whatever reason have not come to a deal with BYU for 2013. It’s clear BYU is open to scheduling games as far away as 2023, so what’s the hold up?
Boise-BYU series won't be a rivalry, it will be a SLAUGHTER series by Boise
Coach Petersen outcoaches Mendenhall everytime. Mendenhall wishes he could do the same Petersen does with mediocre talent
There's a lot of fish in the sea.
BSU and BYU both need attractive opponents to pad their resumes.
Utah doesn’t, not anymore.
Utah needs to get ready for Pac-12 competition. The A-B-C model is the gold standard of BCS OOC scheduling for a good reason. Two to get ready, and one marquee match-up to really test yourself, and maybe make a splash. Anything much beyond that is suicide.
so for the utes
BYU would be the B or maybe the C in good years right?
oh, them beavers
or the other way around
depending on how you want to grade it
oh, them beavers
Some years C, most years a solid B.
Some years A.
BYU is a bit of a wildcard.
BYU would never be a C
C = FCS or NMSU level trash
BYU is one of those nasty B’s that BCS teams really don’t like to schedule (Nevada, Hawaii, Houston, Navy). Good enough to result in an upset, not good enough for anyone to care if you get the win. If it weren’t for the rivalry I’d say stay the hell away from scheduling BYU.
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts. - R. Feynman
It's great fun, if you're the best team in the country.
Anything less than that… suicide.
my two cents from a beaver fan
I’m not very knowledge of the history between these two teams but for collage football in general this would seem to be a big lose. I love having the Utes in the pac 12 and I understand the reasons why the pac did not take BYU but are all of these conf moves worth the lose of traditional rivalries. I blame the BCS.
oh, them beavers
I got a flat tire this morning
Totally the BCS’s fault
by kadoogan on Sep 28, 2011 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
see the BCS is good for something
oh, them beavers
more like we can blame all the worlds ills on the BSC
you know like terrorism, hate poverty hate etc… darn you BCSSSSSSS lol
oh, them beavers
So if you support the BCS.....
The terrorists win?
BYU went down like Bin Lauden though!!! Bury them at sea!!!
I really don't want to have to defend my Broncos to BYU fans (as fun as that sounds).
Hey, I’m all for the Holy War rivalry continuing. Here’s hoping they don’t shift their attention to BSU fans. I’m not ready to be labeled Great and Abominable yet. (I’m Mormon, and I am not a religious BYU follower. Weird, eh?)
There's quite a large Mormon community at Boise State, right?
Methinks that could indeed become another Holy War.
by The Ancient Mariner on Sep 30, 2011 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Not as many Mormons BSU fans as Mormon Utah fans, but yes.
And believe me, a lot of those Boise State fans hate, hate BYU. Of course, fans of lots of different schools seem to hate BYU.
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Meh
The TDS can go fuck themselves. They’re a second rate school with an arrogance of a Texas or ND. We’ve got new rivalries with real universities.
College football over the NFL any day. College basketball way over the NBA any day. Go Orange. Go Utes. Go Kings. Go Dodgers.
by OrangeUte on Sep 28, 2011 7:29 PM MDT via iPhone app reply actions
just a question
hope this does not come off as being a troll, I like to gain knowledge of the pulse of other teams fans, but whom do the Utes see as their new rivalries in the pac 12 right now?
oh, them beavers
I'd like to know that too.
I hate to generalize too much, but it seems to me that there is a large strain of Utah fans that hate BYU so much they never want to play them again. Refusing to play them would be the ultimate revenge for those fans.
is it not the point of a rival is to love to beat them?
I know the ducks love to beat the beavers and the beavers love to beat the ducks , even though some of them(ducks) think the beavers are not their rivals anymore, they have out grown the beavers. I hate not to play the ducks any more and i figure it would be the same for the Utes also. But to each their own i guess
oh, them beavers
I agree with all of that. So a word of caution, I’m trying to explain a point-of-view that I don’t really believe in. If someone want to correct me, feel free.
From 1972 to 1992, BYU beat Utah 19 times and lost 2. I was 10 in 1988 when Utah got their first win in 10 years. So in my formative years of the rivalry, all I really knew about BYU is that they were evil and they won all the time.
It was not uncommon in those years to read BYU player quotes in the paper that said in effect, Utah is not a rival. There is no rivalry because not only do we win all the time, we blowout Utah every year.
So now, I think, for some Utah fans, it’s revenge to refuse to acknowledge a rivalry with BYU. We got into a better conference, we’ve won 7 out of the last 10, and now those fans want to say, in essence, we don’t care about BYU. There is no rivalry. They are beneath us and not worth acknowledging.
Interesting Point
I, like you, came of age in the 80s and I totally felt about BYU the same way (evil, bullies) and relished 57-28. And I did resent the way they looked down their noses at us and I guess it’s nice that the she is on the other foot now, but…
…Part of my identity as a Utah fan is defined by my hatred of BYU.Just as a Michigan man is partially defined by his hatred of the Buckeyes or a Bammer identified by his passionate loathing of the Plainsmen. I love the Utes and I hate the Cougars. That is the yin and yang of my fandom. And I would hate to lose the opportunity to play them every year.
And if they turn into a perenially lousy team that slides into irrelevancy and we just use our annual showdown with them as a tune-up for the start of conference play then so much the better!
thanks for the history lesson about your team and your love for them
truly that was fun to read your stories are not unlike what I’ve experiences being a beaver fan but it seems your team has gone to the top of football while for the beavers it has been dark we have come close
oh, them beavers
You guys played for the Rose Bowl two years in a row.
Still can’t believe you couldn’t pull it out either time.
so true and I was their for one of these loss
and it was filled with pain believe me I mean even WSU has been to a rose bowl during my life time while the beavers have not sad face,
oh, them beavers
The opposite of love is not hate - it's indifference.
Which is why I understand that sentiment from some fans. I can understand the joy in simply leaving them behind as we move on to bigger and better things. Part of me wishes I was indifferent to byu, but I’m not. I hate them. And as long as I do, I will need a healthy outlet for that hate, which can only come from my Utes beating them on the football field. But that begs the question: How can I stop hating them?
Whoa
The Night reference is a little heavy, don’t you think? =]
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 29, 2011 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Nah
Especially in light of the video evidence proving that Hitler is a byu fan. ha ha.
by UU COE Alum on Sep 29, 2011 11:41 AM MDT up reply actions
The rivalry should continue
I’m really surprised at how many U fans don’t care about losing this rivalry. College football is all about tradition. Well, it more about money now, but it should be about tradition. I hate to just throw away decades of history. If we’re going to schedule A-B-C, why not get USU and BYU every year. USU is typically an easy win, but its justifiable because they are in-state rivals. BYU is a good team and sometimes really good. Then we top off the schedule with a decent BCS team. I think it’s totally manageable. If we’re gonna fill the schedule with crap like Montana State, why not just play our in-state rivals and make them games that people actually care about.
every year?
if you did that, they would cease becoming games that people actually cared about and you’d be relegated to just one “rotating” spot on your schedule. yawn.
Damn, my eyeball tastes good.
@chrislandon
Better than FCS garbage
It does suck to have only one “new” OOC game per year, but when you think of pushing out classic rivalry games to make room for FCS pieces of crap, then what’s the point? We should have played USU this year instead of Montana State, for example. I’d be 10x more interested in seeing that game. Maybe we could play BYU every year and USU every other or something. But, keep in mind that we’ll be replacing one with basically a non-game FCS opponent. Talk about yawn.
by Ute_in_Austin on Sep 28, 2011 8:10 PM MDT up reply actions
unless your the beavers lol
oh, them beavers
home vs road
with 3 OOC games the biggest needs to be part of a home/home type deal like Pitt this year. Utah did BYU a huge favor by agreeing to go to LES this year b/c like Jazzy pointed out on his UW preview we’re hitting Oct before we have a very interesting home game. So if you are playing local schools(if we can bring in Montana St. we can bring in Weber or SUU too) they need to be heading to Rice Eccles and zoobies will get all twisted about it but 2 for 1 is the way it needs to be.
by CityCreekUte on Sep 28, 2011 9:30 PM MDT up reply actions
mixed feelings
there are some drawbacks to the rivalry including the risk of injury. This year BYU looked like they were playing to knock people out instead of playing clean. A couple of hits probably would have resulted in NFL fines. Of course stuff happens when people are flying around the field.
Listening to Roscoe in the media is another drawback, although he can be entertaining.
The Utes have more to lose by playing BYU than they stand to gain.
If BYU were in the Big 12, then the rivalry would be more worthwhile. It could help our standings more if we win, and the officiating crew could actually have some power over BYU in case dirty play became a factor.
by Salsabone on Sep 28, 2011 8:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree.
Right now, we’re BYU’s real bowl game. They have nothing to get up for other than beating us, and if they can’t beat us on the scoreboard, they’ll try to do it on the field through cheap shots and amped-up play.
And, yeah, the rivalry continuing only makes sense if BYU is in a BCS conference.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 29, 2011 7:58 AM MDT up reply actions
So I guess I'm really pulling for the Big XII invite now
With at statement like “the rivalry continuing only makes sense if BYU is in a BCS conference” I’m really hoping that BYU gets that Big XII invite so we can keep our 100+ year rivalry.
I wrote that in a rush this AM and screwed up.
I was going to be all sarcastic about not playing a non-BCS BYU due to the risk of injury without any tangible benefits, but then thought better of it/realized it was lame. That last bit should’ve been deleted.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 29, 2011 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Battle of the Brothers would be better
Older than a bunch of you, so let me throw out my 2 centavos.
I still remember when the USU game was the season ending big time rivalry and BYU was just a speed bump on the way.
Since USU has declined, I missed that rivalry and now that it looks like Coach A is bringing them back, I would rather revive that rivalry than give the TDS 1 second of extra exposure.
Lord knows we would not beat USU 54-10 if we played them this season...
No doubt the Aggies would have given Utah a better game!
I agree with this too.
I wish Utah had enough games to play USU, BYU and Weber every year. Reality being what it is, I think the best thing for Utah to do is alternate WSU (Weber, not Wazzu) & SUU for their FCS opponent, and BYU & USU for their in-state FBS rival, every year. That would be two games a year (one relatively “easy” and one that could pose a challenge) devoted to instate rivalries, leaving a third non-con game open every year for another BCS team. I’d be ok with that.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 29, 2011 8:54 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I Like This
If Anderson continues his work, and I see no reason he won’t, USU will continue its way upward and regain respectability. SUU looks to be seriously improving as well, and Weber is usually in the FCS playoffs so they’re not exactly a nobody directional school.
Would be a nice rotation.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
Second
Sounds like a good system. It would also let us get away with playing an FCS team every year: “we have to! They are our rivals!”
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 29, 2011 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah FCS is Still FCS, But...
If you’re perfectly honest, the top FCS teams can usually beat the lower half FBS teams, and it doesn’t take a fluke either. If Weber and SUU stay good, or continue up in the case of SUU, then it’s more respectable. Yes, Utah would still be playing an FCS team, but it will be a far cry from some of the other FBS schools that schedule teams like Southeast Central Wyoming Tech.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
Precisely
Though I’m not sure if beating UNLV is really a statement anymore.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
Last I Checked
MSU was ranked 4th in the FCS coaches’ poll. Not too shabby, as FCS wins go.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 30, 2011 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Not At All Shabby
At this point, the small homer portion of my head wants to consider the MSU win better than the TDS stomping.
If anyone found my snowboarding gloves after storming the field following the 2004 TDS game, I want them back!
I'm all for keeping the BYU game on the schedule
so long as it switches to be on a 2 for 1.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe there are any other BCS AQ schools showing much interest in long term home and home series with Roscoe’s boys.
Maybe this just means BYU is planning to stay independent for a long time
and they’re not going to the Big 12.
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It could also mean that both BYU and BSU believe they're going to the Big 12,
so why not sign a long-term deal? If they are both invited (and accept) those games become conference games.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 29, 2011 8:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Ooh, good point
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I disagree
I think this is actually a sign of a lack of faith of getting an invite.
Otherwise why bother going through the hassle of writing up the contracts, with the out clauses that are probably in them, when it would just be done by Big 12 conference as part of the conference schedule.
It will suck to lose it
But now, when people ask ‘what happened to the holy war?’ we can say “54-10 happened to the Holy War. Kyle Whittingham happened.”
If the rivalry has to end, it is best that it end as it has… with a decade of beating them up on their way out the door as we get better and they stay the same.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 28, 2011 9:32 PM MDT reply actions
I think you guys should try as all hell to keep byu on the sched!
It would really be sad if you don’t its THE best rivalry in college sports! (I grew up in Murray) I see a era now though kinda like lavell had against utah before mcbride came along, except reversed. I think Utah can really start to dominate this rivalry, and who wouldn’t want to stick it to byu every year!
A-B-C idea
We could have the A be another BCS school, The B be a 2 for 1 with BYU and the C rotate between USU, weber, SUU, etc. If USU gets good and BYU continues to decline, USU and BYU could rotate as the B. I’m a Ute transplant living in Ohio, and the Buckeyes schedule two Ohio schools every year, rotating between toledo, akron, kent st, etc. However, they do it as a favor for those schools. As the “Premier” team is Utah, we should do a favor to our little brothers, and let them come play us.
this makes sense
and it has the addec benefit of making zoobie heads explode by having another 2 for 1 booked after Roscoe tried so hard to get away from them.
by CityCreekUte on Sep 29, 2011 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
The odds of this agreement getting played out is about nill.
There’s no way they make it all 12 years. Also in the later years of the agreement, the games are supposed to be in October.
Utah/BYU if it happens will need to be a September game, so I don’t think this effects the Rivalry much.
I was ready to move forward in the PAC and drop the Holy War...
and then 54-10 happened. Leading up the rivalry game this year, I just wasn’t that excited about it. If you would have asked me then, the Holy War could go away and I would have been fine with it. It was weird. But being in Provo to witness that epic beatdown was the most fun I’ve had at a football game since the ‘09 Sugar Bowl. That’s the type of satisfaction that can only come from beating your archrival. I’d hate to lose the opportunity to beat them down each year – especially with the Utes only getting better from here and the TDS only getting worse or staying the same. Being South Division or PAC-12 champions will feel damn good too, but that’s likely not going to happen every year or even every other year.
by UU COE Alum on Sep 29, 2011 8:03 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
All good points.
We need to remember what exactly we’re watching the games for. Is it for the games themselves or for all the other shit that surrounds the games: rankings, championships, awards? I’m personally done with thinking about the championship races and etc. I’m just enjoying each game because, let’s face it, that’s really what matters. Play well in each game, win each game and the rest takes care of itself. If the Utes win out and/or do well enough to capture a championship and/or go to good bowl games, that’s great, but I’ll still enjoy the games (so long as the Utes play hard and the games aren’t boring like that MSU game) even if they lose or fall short. From that viewpoint, the BYU game is very beneficial.
by -FeloniousMonk on Sep 29, 2011 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions
It was exciting for a half...
To see the new offense, how Wynn would look. Once we went for the fake punt, tho, things turned south fast and it became a game of run out the clock.
The Rivalry is here to stay
A rivalry’s strength depends on mutual hatred (maybe too strong a word, but probably not) and a desire to beat the other team. As a Ute fan there is still no one that I want to beat more than BYU, and BYU fans still say the same thing about Utah. The rivalry is here to stay. Even though it sucks to have it in september, and even if we continue to destroy them by 44 points, I will ALWAYS want to beat BYU. I can’t imagine the importance of that game diminishing anytime soon.
P.S. If we beat BYU 54-10, Boise State is going to destroy them every year unless something drastic happens. If Y fans are smart (debatable) they won’t try to place too much importance on the BSU games.
by QuackAttackUte on Sep 29, 2011 12:09 PM MDT reply actions
Having dealt with (and lived among) both fan bases, I can confidently say this is a match made in heaven.
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BYU-BSU Series has an out-clause
I believe that if either team gets invited into a BCS conference, they can pull out of the 12-year deal.
This is a pre-emptory attempt by BYU to schedule someone relevant past their first 3-4 games in case they don’t get accepted into the Big 12.
So it’s not a set in stone 12 game series, but I did find the clause interesting.
Not related: I hope Utah and BYU continue their rivalry. I would miss beating them year in and year out.
This, I think
since if BYU does stay independent in football, they’re going to need ~eight of these long-term contracts, and they’ll need them signed well ahead of time so that other teams can fit BYU in during the conference portion of their schedule.
by The Ancient Mariner on Sep 30, 2011 9:46 AM MDT up reply actions
After what happened this year
Why wouldn’t they want it to die?
I like following the holy war, though… So much venom <3
Good Idea
C=Weber/SUU
B=BYU/USU
A=?
What teams would people want for the A? TA&M would be top of my list (they’ll be in the SEC so highly ranked in the preseason by default) and we get to have recruiting exposure in TX.
I would love
To play texas teams that aren’t TCU. I think it could be a fun strength vs. strength thing to take on Oklahoma State or Texas Tech, as well as A&M.
by Joseph Silverzweig on Sep 30, 2011 7:59 AM MDT up reply actions
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