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No one likes the waiting game.

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Tom Petty hated it. I hate it. You hate it.

But what're you going to do about it? It's now been over a month since Norm Chow officially became Hawaii's next football coach and, outside hearing Gary Crowton's name linked to the job, nothing of note has transpired since.

We've gone over how painfully slow the search has become and I think it's time to concede that Kyle Whittingham will only make a hire after signing day, which is next week.

When Whittingham hinted at the possibility of this going into February, a great deal of us scoffed and yet, here we are, only days away from the end of January - and Chow left in December!

Yikes.

It doesn't help Utah is one of the few holdouts without a coordinator, as even Auburn hired Scott Loeffler, the guy who was Tim Tebow's quarterbacks coach at Florida, to replace Gus Malzahn, who was hired by Arkansas State just a few days before Chow bolted to take the Hawaii job.

So, I guess the wait continues and hopefully there is a method to this madness...because the longer this search goes on, the more anticipation builds for this hire.

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Seriously....

With how long this has gone, we’d better have someone lined up and ready to sign that’s still coaching during the season… as in someone coaching in the superbowl…

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by StarcraftLovinUte on Jan 24, 2012 1:44 PM MST reply actions  

im in the same boat man.. haha . yeah he is either sticking with roderick, which isnt a bad move or kyle has someone lined up that is a good fit that is still coaching/considering.

by PMARTI9 on Jan 25, 2012 10:51 PM MST up reply actions  

I assume whitt figures he can always fall back roderick if all other names are gone..it makes u scared to think maybe he’s fearful recruits will leave uf he doesnt bring in the big name

by kodiek on Jan 24, 2012 2:00 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

It's gone long enough I've forgotten

what names were in the mill. Besides Crowton, who is rumored to be on the list? Was there any legitimacy to those who brought up Mike Sanford?

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by Brett Hein on Jan 24, 2012 2:37 PM MST reply actions  

The only names we actually know were/are on the list

Is Andy Roderick and Gary Crowton.

Other than that we’ve heard jack with any legitimacy whatsoever.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 24, 2012 2:57 PM MST up reply actions  

The method is

That first it’s not going to be an NFL guy. People need to realize that.

Secondly, the method mainly is, wait till Feb. 1st in the midst of all the hype and excitement about our first ever top 25 recruiting class and quietly release a 1 paragraph statement that we’ve hired Gary Crowton and Robert Anae to share OC duties.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 24, 2012 2:56 PM MST reply actions  

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by Hockey Beard in SLC on Jan 24, 2012 2:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I actually think you could do much worse than Robert Anae. For being a first-time OC at BYU, his track record was quite good. Got predictable to good defensive coaches like Whittingham and Bumpas at TCU … but he’d be better than Crowton IMO.

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by Brett Hein on Jan 24, 2012 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Krags Brother Just Said he's not a candidate.

And that he hasn’t even interviewed. Said it while co-hosting 1280 with Monson today.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 24, 2012 4:54 PM MST up reply actions  

My guess is Whittingham hasn't interviewed many candidates...

In fact, I think he probably has only interviewed Crowton. That’s why there hasn’t been a great deal of information leaked.

by JazzyUte on Jan 24, 2012 5:00 PM MST up reply actions  

That's laughable

Obviously we can assume Whit has interviewed many, many more candidates than just Crowton. It’s in neither Utah’s nor the prospective coach’s interest that that story gets out.

I’d say Whit’s earned our trust by now. He’s obviously doing his homework and he’ll make a good decision. He got Chow, he got Tim Davis, and he had the faith in Sitake to promote him, and that certainly paid off.

by BCS Busted on Jan 26, 2012 10:03 PM MST up reply actions  

To continue the Simpsons analogy

I’d just like to say that when it comes to news on this hire, me so hungy.

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by CrimsonUte on Jan 24, 2012 3:12 PM MST reply actions  

I'm hoping it's Ver Steeg.

Anae is bad, Crowton is orders of magnitude worse, if just from a PR standpoint. Ver Steeg was at least successful, even if Schiano got rid of him after 2 seasons.

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by displacedute on Jan 24, 2012 4:23 PM MST reply actions  

And Anae wasn't?

I don’t quite understand your line of reasoning. If anything, Anae’s resume as an OC runs circles around Ver Steeg, who produced a lot of stinkers during his six years running offenses at either Utah and Rutgers.

Here’s how Ver Steeg’s offenses ranked at Utah & Rutgers:

2001 (Utah):

12th in rushing offense
68th in passing offense
24th in total offense
40th in scoring offense

2002:

47th in rushing offense
64th in passing offense
63rd in total offense
89th in scoring offense

2003 (Rutgers):

69th in rushing offense
45th in passing offense
71st in total offense
55th in scoring offense

2004:

113th in rushing offense
6th in passing offense
40th in total offense
66th in scoring offense

2005:

42nd in rushing offense
42nd passing offense
44th in total offense
48th in scoring offense

2006:

15th in rushing offense
96th in passing offense
58th in total offense
22nd in scoring offense

Even in ‘06, when Rutgers went 11-2, their offense wasn’t great. If anything, you could say Ver Steeg has had two good seasons as OC (‘01 and 06) and that’s out of six.

So, I’m not sold on the idea his return to Utah would be a better hire than Anae, who, outside the 2010 season, ran some of the best offenses in the country. Ver Steeg’s offenses were average at best most years and very erratic (going from in 113th in rushing offense on year to 15th two years later).

We should be able to do better.

by JazzyUte on Jan 24, 2012 4:59 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes but at least Ver Steeg doesn't have the BYU connection.

I for one am sick of every Utah hire being BYU rooted.

But then I also don’t want Ver Steeg.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 24, 2012 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

That's fine...I can live with that...

I’m just saying, Ver Steeg doesn’t seem like a great hire. His resume, at least as OC, is, at best, a very mixed bag.

by JazzyUte on Jan 24, 2012 5:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree with Jazzy

Do you pass up a guy just because he has BYU roots? You take the best candidate who is going to do the most for Utah to get points on the board. If that’s Anae, then great. If it’s Steve Young, then great. Who cares if he has BYU roots? Do what’s right for Utah. Other than the fact that they’re out hated rival, TDS is not a bad place. (Did I just say that in my out-load voice?)

by UAEUTE on Jan 24, 2012 10:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes you do.

In this case, yes you do pass up a guy because of BYU Roots. Especially cause those BYU roots will cause a PR nightmare, and because he’s not heads and tails above the other candidates.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 25, 2012 7:28 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

The fanbase hates OCs most of the time. Norm was not universally accepted, and he was a homerun hire in my opinion. Even if Anae is the best candidate, he’d have to be head and shoulders above everyone else to be worth the headache, and I don’t think he is. Same with Crowton. The only BYU-tied people worth something like that are Norm and Andy Ried, and neither of those are any sort of possibility.

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by displacedute on Jan 25, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

I mostly agree short term...

That being said, if Anae came in and did a stellar job, the pr would switch. Someone thrives with Whitt, after failing and getting thrown under the bus by Roscoe. Whitt wins again. Also, I should mention I would not be excited by that hire.

by notblue19 on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

Anae played with Whitt, but never coached with him.

Anae coached at Hawaii, Ricks, Boise, UNLV, TTech, and BYU (and now he’s at Arizona).

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by displacedute on Jan 25, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Zona?

never heard of the hire by rich rod to hire anae, its two different types of offenses… rich rod likes the run where as anae likes the passing game

by PMARTI9 on Jan 25, 2012 10:53 PM MST up reply actions  

He was originally on Mike Stoops' staff.

He was hired in Jan. 2011 to be Arizona’s offensive line coach and run game coordinator. He was retained/re-hired by Rich Rodriguez for the same position.

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by CrimsonUte on Jan 26, 2012 8:02 AM MST up reply actions  

It's not that Anae doesn't have a good resume.

Anae’s got a decent resume. But he’s a PR nightmare. I think Ver Steeg is an OC that you can sell because of the Rutgers/Rice/NFL connections. For Anae, he got FIRED FROM BYU. That’s impossible to sell.

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by displacedute on Jan 24, 2012 5:26 PM MST up reply actions  

And Ver Steeg would be a tough sell too...

Considering his final season was running the offense that got McBride fired.

Yeah, his NFL connections and ties to Ray Rice is decent enough. But when you get down to it, he’s run some bad offenses and there is no real evidence to point to that he can be a successful OC. If we’re going on 2006, where his offense still only ranked 58th overall, as a sign he’ll be great here, well is it that much easier sell than a guy like Anae? I agree, Anae would be a PR dinger – but Ver Steeg wouldn’t be much better and at least Anae has a resume as an OC that is pretty successful.

If I had my say, I’d take neither.

by JazzyUte on Jan 24, 2012 5:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Official announcement

Whit is waiting to announce me as the new OC. Needs someone with a bit of East Coast Bias™.

With such a big O-line, I’m going to implement the old Oklahoma/Nebraska option offense. Three yards and a cloud of dust.

I’ll be buying beers at the local hangout. However, I have forgotten all the drinking rules in Utah, so maybe not.

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by LeftCoastMan on Jan 24, 2012 4:49 PM MST reply actions  

I Hate To Say It...

I hate to say it, but of all the options mentioned my two favorites are Anae and Roderick (assuming Kragthorpe is out). Of those two options, I would go with Roderick because I don’t think you want to lose him later on down the road. I’m not saying its my first choice, but it’s the best one available given the names posted on this board. I think Ver Steeg would be a major step back to an era that, while somewhat grateful for, I never want to go back to again.

by SHUte on Jan 24, 2012 5:58 PM MST reply actions  

At this point

Because Kyle has waited so long, no name is going to be big enough to satisfy the anticipation and suspense. I don’t blame him for waiting, but at this point with the names released I’m becoming a bigger and bigger fan of Roderick. I would be led to believe that he’s grown and learned from his mistakes. Another thing Ute fans need to remember is that the University of Utah and Kyle Whittingham specificly are VERY good at keeping things under wraps and keeping the public in the dark. I can only pray this is the case and that he has someone bigger than Anae or Crowton ready to go….

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by P-NutUte on Jan 24, 2012 6:11 PM MST reply actions  

Maybe that was the plan all along.

Wait so long, and let the names of all the crap prospects slip out (Anae, Crowton, etc.) that Roderick doesn’t seem so bad by comparison.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 24, 2012 10:18 PM MST up reply actions  

agreed.

very anxious to hear what happens. Wont name names, but I heard several football players yesterday talking about how the team is going to back to the spread more next year. I think thats a great call.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jan 24, 2012 6:11 PM MST reply actions  

Well Roderick is more a spread guy than pro-style...

He ran the spread option here in 2010 and ran a spread offense while the OC under Gary Andersen at SUU.

Read into it what you will.

by JazzyUte on Jan 24, 2012 6:24 PM MST up reply actions  

I prefer a mix.

We would be extremely foolish not to put five receivers on the field at times with the kind of talent we have. But, John White would not do as well in a pure spread.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jan 24, 2012 7:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't mind using some spread concepts in a pro style offense

I actually encourage it, but I don’t want the main focus to go back to the spread. I love pro style offense for the same reason I love triple option offenses (for teams besides utah of course), it allows you to dictate the tempo and grind it out with good ball control.

by khaostheory117 on Jan 24, 2012 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

i agree whole heartedly.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jan 25, 2012 9:08 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

without disclosing anything more that you have to

What implications does that have with the guys we have (and those we’re recruiting) at QB? How do they fit into the spread?

by UAEUTE on Jan 24, 2012 10:31 PM MST up reply actions  

i think what khaostheory said

we will probably incorporate some spread looks into our offense, but i anticipate we will continue to roll with pro-style QBs.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jan 25, 2012 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree.

We’re not going back to the spread option. Our QB won’t be running, but he might be in the shotgun throwing to 4- and 5-WR sets a lot more than last year.

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by displacedute on Jan 25, 2012 11:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Which, by the way, with the way the NFL game is going....

… is more of a pro-style system than the pro-style system is nowadays.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 25, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

agreed.

was thinking the same thing the other day.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Jan 25, 2012 6:27 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting Comment from Whit

from March of last year. Look toward the end of the article where he talks about a QB’s ability to run in the spread. I’m not sure I’ve ever heard him admit that Wynn can’t run.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/utes/51408258-89/utah-chow-game-whittingham.html.csp

Wilson seems to fit a similar profile. “Not much of a running threat on the college level” according to his Scout profile.

by UAEUTE on Jan 25, 2012 10:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Wilson can't run

But he’s going to be pretty tough to bring down. I’ve plenty video where big guys get to him and he shakes them off. I could see him developing into a successful scrambler.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Jan 26, 2012 8:36 AM MST up reply actions  

No need.

We don’t need to develop players into running QBs. Every time we asked Wynn to run it was a disaster. Even pretending like he might run was usually a disaster. Let Wilson be who he is, a passing QB who might scramble when he has to, not a QB who runs, and certainly not a “running QB”.

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by displacedute on Jan 26, 2012 10:45 AM MST up reply actions  

No thanks...

We would be stupid to get away from one of the best backs in the nation, and rely on JWynn. Now we would also be stupid not to use are incredible talent at wide out. At this point I would be alright with a little more 4 and 5 wide sets, but remember that the Wolfman was the only reason we had a winning record..

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by P-NutUte on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Considering we have the interior of our OL all back, but are breaking in two new tackles, I agree.

Passing relies more on tackles, running more on center-guards. Our center and our guards will be great, our tackles are a huge question mark. Because of this, I’d rather see us running up the middle than passing a lot.

That changes next year, assuming Wynn is back for his double-redshirt SR year, but I like us running more than passing next year.

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by displacedute on Jan 25, 2012 5:01 PM MST up reply actions  

I see Mason moving to LT...

Poutusi stating at guard… Not sure about the other tackle…

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by BetterasIgetolder on Jan 25, 2012 11:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Right. Which will still mean we're strongest at guard.

Even if Mason moves to tackle, our OL is stronger in the middle than on the edges.

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by displacedute on Jan 26, 2012 10:46 AM MST up reply actions  

No big deal

It’s no big deal that we haven’t hired an OC yet. Nothing pressing is on the horizon, so I’m fine with Whittingham taking his time on this hire.

I realize that means some coordinators will take jobs elsewhere, but I’d rather take our time rather than sign the first OC candidate who says yes.

There are a LOT of possibilities out there. I’m sure Whittingham will get the right one.

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by TomahawkRed on Jan 24, 2012 7:46 PM MST reply actions  

I'm with you

Be nice to know… but there’s only been one name leaked, no one liked it, and he doesn’t have the job yet (which suggests he isn’t getting it). We’ll have someone soon enough.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Jan 24, 2012 8:37 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe he's waiting until after signing day

to announce he’s handing BJ the reigns and we’re gong to run a no huddle and throw quick slants on every play…. Obviously I jest, but at this point who knows. Right now none of the options sound appealing to me.

by seaute on Jan 24, 2012 11:01 PM MST reply actions  

Just throwing a name out there...

Tom Clements of the Green Bay Packers. That’s who we should hire. Not sayin’ it’ll ever happen, but it sure would be awesome.

by UtesCheesehead90 on Jan 25, 2012 8:53 AM MST reply actions  

I hope we don't follow a predictable path by the University Leadership (core roots)

Last year was a great surprise to hear the announcement of getting Chow. But it made sense, he had UoU and BYU roots and luckily was an awesome and proven coach. He was a get that they won’t be able to duplicate for a long time if they are going to focus on the obvious “core” roots.

To put the football (or any other athletic program) on the correct path to be a potential long term great in the PAC-12 the leadership needs to revise its roots and think big. We can’t be complacent and think they have time to train the primary coaches (DC/OC). They need to be able to come in as a known producer and to do that it takes $ and vision. The Chow hire showed both from the leadership, but this waiting game makes me worried that the vision might have just been dumb luck.

I’m crossing my fngers and holding my breath (I’ve actually passed out a few times during the waiting session) that when an announcement does come we fans and the team are not in for a huge let down. For me the let down would be a hire for specific Utah past ties over someone who can flat out get the job done. Spread or Pro style makes no difference to me as long as the coach can make the players work it out and produce.

I assume 2/1 or groundhogs day will produce an announcement. Let’s hope we can smile and not be hanging our heads in disgust once we hear it.

by Unexpected Ute on Jan 25, 2012 8:17 PM MST reply actions  

I disagree.

The OC/DC’s don’t always need to be a known producer. Utah can in fact home grow their top assistants.

They just also have to know when in-house isn’t good enough and go out of house.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 26, 2012 7:32 AM MST up reply actions  

I no longer care

I just want the bastard looking at film of our opponents tendencies and our guys’ abilities ASAP.

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by Aardvark on Jan 25, 2012 9:25 PM MST reply actions  

i know it wont happen. but

how about hue jackson…. offense he ran at USC, Cincinatti and Oakland is the same type of offense kyle whittingham wants on the field (without the inconsistent play of carson palmer of course)

by PMARTI9 on Jan 25, 2012 10:56 PM MST reply actions  

Is there a single connection to Utah?

I’m not saying it’s impossible, but it seems about as likely as McCoy (which I think is on par with Norm Chow deciding he made a mistake and coming back to coach this year).

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by displacedute on Jan 26, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Sorry Middy, I'm not internet-hip enough to get that reference.

That’s a troll face, right? on some sort of pokemon? I don’t get it.

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by displacedute on Jan 26, 2012 11:57 AM MST up reply actions  

The Pokemon's a slowpoke I think...

… Yes I’m a nerd, but I still don’t get it :)

by StarcraftLovinUte on Jan 26, 2012 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

You unwashed masses...

…you who are unanointed to “Arrested Development”…

REPENT!

by Middy_U on Jan 26, 2012 6:38 PM MST up reply actions  

There's a reason why I subscribed to savecrowtonsjob.com

back when he was HC of the TDS: he sucked.

You always hear talking heads say things like, “He didn’t just wake up one morning and forget how to coach!” Well, Crowton didn’t just wake up one morning and forget how to suck either. Just sayin.

by plubmloco on Jan 26, 2012 12:18 PM MST reply actions  

A Nugget from Miller

During his Pac-12 chat, Ted Miller had this to say:

Just gossiped with someone on this… but I don’t have anything I feel comfortable reporting. It appears that Whittingham has kept it quiet and will announce on signing day… My guess: Someone from NFL.

Hey it’s the closest thing we’ve had to a legit rumor since the devastating Crowton news.

by UnHoly Ram on Jan 26, 2012 1:32 PM MST reply actions  

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