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Brian Johnson rumored to be Utah's next offensive coordinator

Tom Cella, who helps run UteZone.com, has tweeted that Utah's next offensive coordinator will be Brian Johnson.

I'll wait a second while you pick your jaw up from the floor.

Johnson, of course, is Utah's quarterbacks coach and best known for leading the Utes to a 13-0 season in 2008.

He's only been coaching two years and has no experience calling plays - at least as a coordinator.

Genius move or WTFISHETHINKING deal?

It might not be true, but Cella is a pretty legit source and I don't think he'd put that out there without some confidence. Either way, we'll find out soon enough.

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The word conflicted

is the most perfect word of epic proportions about how I feel about this. Holy mother of Heaven and Earth.

by Oregon Ute on Feb 1, 2012 8:45 PM MST reply actions  

I want to say wtfishethinking, but if it ends up being true, it would mean he has seen something very special in Johnson. I wouldn’t discount him if he is given the job. Like you said, could end up being genius.

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by JD23UT on Feb 1, 2012 8:46 PM MST via iPhone app reply actions  

Holy Crap

As much as I love Johnson, if it is him I will be upset. He’s a smart guy and an amazing quarterback, but I don’t believe he’s ready. Only thing to say is Holy Crap.

by Classless Ute on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 PM MST reply actions  

agreed

I don’t like the move at all, just because of lack of experience, however knowing how Johnson has done he will succeed. Sure hope it does work.

by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 2, 2012 8:46 AM MST up reply actions  

Over 70 candidates

and the youngest one gets it? Whitt must know something we don’t

by PanchoUte on Feb 1, 2012 8:48 PM MST reply actions  

Either that or

the 70 candidates numbers is BS.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 1, 2012 9:45 PM MST up reply actions  

Spread QB play caller?

Johnson DOES have experience calling plays. Anyone who watched the 08/09 season saw that. Naming Johnson as OC would make sense why Whittingham waited this long to name an OC, but I can’t help but think how this might effect the chemistry among the coaching staff, and potentially young players who are only a few years younger than Johnson.

Whittingham keeps talking about the advantages of the Pac-12, so why doesn’t he use any? I really hope I’m wrong, but a spread QB with little play calling experience scares me for a team trying to transition into a downhill pro style offense, whilst making that transition in the pac-12.

by WeizenUte on Feb 1, 2012 8:53 PM MST reply actions  

beneficial..

why? when the utes ran no huddle spread, they destroyed the teams they played .. oregon does that now..

its a great pick up if true.

by PMARTI9 on Feb 1, 2012 8:57 PM MST up reply actions  

yes and no

chase hansen is a spread qb. maybe chow taught him enough in one year to have him earn it?

by PMARTI9 on Feb 1, 2012 9:06 PM MST up reply actions  

Hansen is one player who just happens to be a good running QB

Jordan Wynn and Travis Wilson are pro style QBs, we’re beefing up our line for a downhill running attack, white and york are built to be in a pro set, etc etc etc

we’re moving to a pro set, the spread is dead in utah except a few plays here and there.

by khaostheory117 on Feb 1, 2012 9:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh I'm sure Hansen can play in a pro style offense

in fact i’m sure of it, but we’re moving away from the spread and its not hard to see that. coach whit has made it very clear he wants a pro style offense

by khaostheory117 on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 PM MST up reply actions  

Beneficial?

When was the last time there was a coach on the field calling plays out of a no huddle? BJ was awesome calling plays on the field AFTER he had seen the defense. He won’t be able to do that on the sidelines (booth).

I’ll support Coach Whit and hope BJ does awesome. But still, WTFWASHETHINKING?!

by Lance10 on Feb 1, 2012 9:07 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm confused

How will he not be able to see the defense from the booth and then call the plays, say, via a headset?

by kadoogan on Feb 1, 2012 9:49 PM MST via mobile up reply actions  

It will be difficult to run a play down from the booth after seeing what the defense is showing. Not enough time, unless they go no huddle and then call the play after the defense is set.

by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 2, 2012 8:48 AM MST up reply actions  

That was in the MWC, and last time I checked, Oregon has been recruiting players for it’s offense for some years now, while Utah has not. Oregon also runs into too many problems when facing decent defenses, and for any team that doesn’t have their type of personal it would be foolish to copy their offense.

by WeizenUte on Feb 1, 2012 9:07 PM MST up reply actions  

you have a point. however what teams in the pac have a good defense besides us, usc and stanford..

by PMARTI9 on Feb 1, 2012 9:08 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t sleep on Washington. Paying a DC 1mil+ a year, and then firing Holt says they’re serious about defense, it just takes time, they were 0-12 just a few years ago.

by WeizenUte on Feb 1, 2012 9:11 PM MST up reply actions  

not saying they have a bad defense.. i agree they got serious on defense.. this isnt mtn west defense either.. if its true bj will have his work cut out for him.

by PMARTI9 on Feb 1, 2012 9:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Cal

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by CrimsonUte on Feb 1, 2012 9:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Wow

I’ve heard he is an incredibly smart guy and a great leader. He’s got a lot of charisma and confidence, so I’m sure he’ll recruit well and gain everyone’s attention and respect…but wow! Risky move. With a few more years of experience I’d call this a good move, but right now I’m not sure.

by QuackAttackUte on Feb 1, 2012 8:57 PM MST reply actions  

That's what I was thinking too.

We’ve always hear how incredibly smart he is and how he understands very quickly how to pick apart the opposing defense. That said, this past year I really questioned his coaching ability for the QB’s. I know a lot of if has to do with the QB you’re working with, but some of Hays’ mistakes seemed correctable through coaching and his stupid decisions didn’t go away as much as I would have liked. Whit’s a smart smart guy and wouldn’t replace Chow with BJ if he didn’t think he would be better than the (70) other candidates.

Still so many questions…. Who is the new QB coach? How does A-Rod feel? Are we instantly vulnerable to losing him A-Rod? Does our veteran staff respect the rookie making bank?

One thing we DO know, he’s a better choice than Crowton.

by UAEUTE on Feb 2, 2012 12:22 AM MST up reply actions  

I could see him at Co-Offensivie Coord.

Him and Tim would be nice…

If it worked with Schram and Roderick it could….

wait.

by Oo.ReAL.oO on Feb 1, 2012 8:58 PM MST reply actions  

Wow. Wow. Wow.

-Me after picking my jaw up off the floor.

by UU COE Alum on Feb 1, 2012 9:01 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I am a big fan of Brian Johnson...

But I don’t know if I would be a big fan of this move. Next year feels like a special year, and we need an experienced oc to lead the Utes.

by notblue19 on Feb 1, 2012 9:02 PM MST via mobile reply actions  

re:

i agree but disagree in the same sense.. when utes dominated with him at qb he was calling shots on the field, not andy ludwig..

by PMARTI9 on Feb 1, 2012 9:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Good Move

His big challenge will be to stay cool if a plan doesn’t look like it is working. Avoiding panicky play calling and serving up a dish of the Utah run game should not be too difficult for him to do. Who better than a QB to call the shots?

Guys like Brian can be a disruptive force in football. It takes new blood to come up with new offensive wrinkles. Plus he had a year of training with Chow.

I would be happy with this hire.

by Salsabone on Feb 1, 2012 9:07 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Wow

It’s kind of terrifying, but you have to trust Whittingham’s judgment… possibly Chow also had some input in some way?

One thing about it that excites me: if he turns out to be good, we’ll have a hold on him for a long, long time. No more one and done head coach revolving door.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 1, 2012 9:17 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

How does this sit with Roderick? If Johnson becomes the next OC, is Roderick looking for a new job?

by WeizenUte on Feb 1, 2012 9:18 PM MST reply actions  

Would that question change?

I think regardless of who was hired, there would be questions about Roderick starting. Other than if he was hired, of course.

by Drum&Feather on Feb 2, 2012 12:55 PM MST via Android app up reply actions  

Ummmm...

Hmmmm…
Wellllll…

Sorry, I got nothin…

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by BetterasIgetolder on Feb 1, 2012 9:27 PM MST reply actions  

If it's true...

Pretty intriguing move. I like Brian a lot, and know it’s not exactly Whit’s style to take unnecessary risks. If Brain becomes OC, I think it’s because the staff expects brilliance and soon. If they’re right it sure give future recruits a compelling story about the university and our coaching staff.

Applauded if true… (after I picked up my jaw)

by pac12ute on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 PM MST up reply actions  

That's a good point about diversity.

The game needs many, many, MANY more African-American coaches. The statistics on it are pretty embarrassing.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong...

but I remember seeing BJ on the sidelines glaring at Hays in exasperation more than I remember seeing him sitting at Norm’s side in the booth, gleaning knowledge about how to run an elite BCS offense. I don’t think he “spent most of his time last season with Chow in the booth”.

by TheTwoUtes on Feb 1, 2012 10:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Come to think of it...

I do remember him on the field a few times. However, I do remember seeing him in the booth on more than 1 occasion….

by utefandc on Feb 1, 2012 10:19 PM MST up reply actions  

Well he has not called plays before...

So I cannot express displeasure without doing so in ignorance, but what I can say is that I did not like what I saw out of the quarterback position last year (from both a quasi-healthy Wynn and Hays), so going by the only on-field product he had anything to do with, I don’t have a good feeling about this.

I’d obviously want nothing more than for him to come out and take the NCAA by storm with some cutting-edge play-calling, but realistically, the odds aren’t in his favor.

I can’t see how naming him as the outright coordinator would be better for our team than someone—anyone—who has been doing it for years.

The Intimidator

by Earnhardt on Feb 1, 2012 9:52 PM MST reply actions  

Well, the odds weren't in his favor

When he had an undefeated season
When he beat Bama
etc…

hopefully, he can beat the odds again

by MNUte on Feb 1, 2012 10:17 PM MST up reply actions  

25 year old OC? Skeptical would be putting it mildly...

Did BJ take the Wonderlic? If so, does anyone know his score? What are his credentials? The last 2 minutes of the TCU game & the Sugar Bowl? Does he have a high gamer score on NCAA ’12? Was Whit tired of hearing that we hire BYU retreads?

Bottom line, I’m very frustrated with this move. 2012 has all the pieces to get us to a BCS bowl…and we’re handing the keys to a 25 year old? He’d better be the next Bill Walsh.

Also, bye bye A-rod…slap in the face. Ugh. Whit should not be risking these moves. BJ wasn’t going anywhere. No one in a D1 BCS conference is offering a 25 year old an OC position…

…oh, except us.

by Middy_U on Feb 1, 2012 9:55 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

BJ did take the Wonderlic. His score has never been confirmed...

But rumors put him in the high 30s, which, if true, is extremely high.

To put it in perspective, here are the averages for various professions and for the NFL:

Various Professions:
Chemist – 31
Programmer – 29
Journalist – 26
Sales – 24
Bank teller – 22
Clerical worker – 21
Security guard – 17
Warehouse worker – 15

NFL:
Offensive tackle – 26
Center – 25
Quarterback – 24
Tight end – 22
Safety – 19
Linebacker – 19
Cornerback – 18
Wide receiver – 17
Fullback – 17
Halfback – 16

by DallasUte on Feb 1, 2012 10:27 PM MST up reply actions  

That makes me feel a little better...

I have always thought Alex Smith would be a good OC, because he scored high on the Wonderlic.

Anyway, still skeptical…but what do I know. If I did, I would be Utah’s OC :-)

by Middy_U on Feb 1, 2012 10:41 PM MST up reply actions  

…and that would be awful.

by bailey_pooch on Feb 1, 2012 11:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Its a terrible idea.

Throwing a young coach in the deep end of the ocean. No experience calling plays at any level does not bode well. Running an offense is part x’s and o’s and part having an ability to call plays. Don’t let love for BJ cloud your judgement. Terrible hire.

by jusorenson on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Maybe...

But I’d reserve judgement until we a) know it has happened and b) see how it turns out.

Does this move seem risky to the common fan? fuuuhgyeah But it could also prove to be brilliant (I’m hoping its brilliant). Nervous and excited all at once.

by pac12ute on Feb 1, 2012 10:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe it's just a rumor

Once Coach Whitt sees my post on Block U, he’ll give Mark Whipple a call.

(440) 891-5000

The Intimidator

by Earnhardt on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Co OC is a non starter...

It says “I don’t have confidence in anyone to run this thing” You can structure your staff to give support, but the chain of command shouldn’t be wishy washy

by pac12ute on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Anyone who says this is good news...

Is a troll… Brian Johnson barely deserves to be a D1 QB coach right now (emphasis on right now). BJ will have his day, no doubt. Just not right now. But from a PR perspective, floating a rumor like this just makes waking up to an Arod announcement more palatable for the broader ute community.

by hoyaute on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Great point

And this makes the most sense of anything I’ve read so far.

If it is true – holy shit – that’s all.

yojimbo is jazzed
2011-2012 is our 2012-2013 pre-season

by jazzed on Feb 2, 2012 1:16 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

The press release is out

It’s Johnson. Everyone get out your prayer rugs.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 9:11 AM MST up reply actions  

Even better

yojimbo is jazzed
2011-2012 is our 2012-2013 pre-season

by jazzed on Feb 2, 2012 1:17 AM MST via Android app up reply actions  

K, a few things to consider

1. we don’t know if this is actually true yet, so far it’s just a twitter rumor.
2. Hold judgement until we see him doing it next year. No one had a problem with Luck calling plays for his offense. BJ has had a good career as a player and he has experience with both a spread (playing) and a pro style (coaching), so I don’t know what will happen.
3. Favorite comments so far: He might have some new ideas and he Coach whitt wouldn’t put his job on the line for nothing, so hopefully he sees something

by MNUte on Feb 1, 2012 10:24 PM MST reply actions  

Coach Whitt

Lol, they actually believe BJ is gonna be our next OC

The Intimidator

by Earnhardt on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 PM MST reply actions  

Well....

It has been announced by several sources that BJ is the new OC…. So, Coach Whitt is the one laughing at you.

by SLCUte on Feb 2, 2012 12:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Wow

If true then peace out Aaron Roderick. Unless his ego is the size of an acorn, I don’t see how you get demoted then have a 25 year old who PLAYED on teams you COACHED basically become your superior and still want to be there.

by seaute on Feb 1, 2012 10:32 PM MST reply actions  

Yeah

He is going to have to leave if this goes down. That’s just too tough a pill to swallow.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Not necessarily...

Roderick is known to be a guy without a huge ego… hard to believe in college football but this seems to be the general impression of him. More than once he’s put other priorities ahead of his ego. I guess we’ll see…

by GentileUte on Feb 2, 2012 12:53 AM MST up reply actions  

It's reported

He’s the new ‘passing game coordinator’, which is a promotion.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 9:12 AM MST up reply actions  

Right you are man

Roderick is staying around as the “passing game coach”

by MNUte on Feb 2, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

This can't be true...

If it is, my previously high degree of faith in Coach Whit becomes almost non-existent. It just doesn’t make sense to give a 25 year old (I don’t care how good of a QB he was) a PAC-12 OC job. Either Whit wasn’t honest about the number of candidates there were or he really thinks this is a good idea. Either option diminishes Whittingham’s credibility in my book.

I guess I won’t be getting any sleep tonight because I’ll be up all night praying this isn’t so.

by UteBoot on Feb 1, 2012 10:52 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

SLTribune is reporting it as done

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/sports/53427336-77/utah-coach-johnson-whittingham.html.csp

Wow.

Well let’s look at it this way; it’d be almost impossible to screw our running game up, and our passing game really has nowhere to go but up.

The Intimidator

by Earnhardt on Feb 1, 2012 10:54 PM MST reply actions  

Incredible

He’s been a stud at everything else we’ve asked him to do. He’s always been doubted, and when it counted the most, he’s always come through. He’ll have lots to learn, and likely stumble along the way, but I like it. I like Brian. This could be great.

by utesmatt on Feb 2, 2012 12:30 AM MST via iPhone app up reply actions  

WTFISHETHINKING

I like BJ, and am thankful for his contribution to the program, but OC??!!

BJ must be some freaking genius.

by Utah-UCLA alum on Feb 1, 2012 11:31 PM MST reply actions  

Agree

It was obvious from BJ’s hire as the QB coach that Whit wanted to groom him to be an OC one day, as he was extremely young and unqualified for the job. Okay, I get that. But to have him be an OC at 24 is beyond me. I pray it works. This move will either go down as one of the greatest moves by Coach Whit or one of the worst. There is no middle ground. But to be honest, I kinda like it better than an A-Rod hire. We already knew what we were going to get out of that pony and it wasn’t great…

by Fat Kid from The Hill on Feb 1, 2012 11:37 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Whit Must Know What He is Doing.

Whittingham has taken this program beyond our wildest dreams. He has lots of credibility. At this point we have to assume that he knows what he is doing. Also I suspect that Brian Johnson earned Norm Chow’s stamp of approval. You just have to believe that Whit asked Chow if any of the staff could replace him and Chow said that Johnson could handle the job. Until he starts to screw up the program I think we all need to trust Whit.

by ives87 on Feb 1, 2012 11:34 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I'm with you on the Chow stuff

Whit had to have had this conversation. Chow must have spoken pretty highly of him to get him through… I don’t see it as a huge gamble. They can always move on if it doesn’t work out… if it does work out, Whit’s a genius and we have an OC locked up for something like 10 years, before he’d even begin to be old enough for boosters/athletic directors to consider him as a head coach.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 1, 2012 11:49 PM MST up reply actions  

lol

I swear, I didn’t steal your OC-for-a-decade idea even though you posted 4 mins before me!

by Daver321 on Feb 1, 2012 11:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Furthermore. . .

Until he messes up, think about this
Whit approved this
the AD approved this (otherwise he wouldn’t sign off on it)
Chow must’ve been asked his opinion

So far, those are three opinions of confidence more savy than me, so for now he’s all right in my book

by MNUte on Feb 2, 2012 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Good point

I hadn’t thought about Dr. Hill also approving this. This is on his head as well (for good or bad).

by Daver321 on Feb 2, 2012 10:05 AM MST up reply actions  

re:

yeah.. no way this hire gets made if chow hadnt coached here.. i think bj has some tricks up his sleeve.

by PMARTI9 on Feb 1, 2012 11:40 PM MST reply actions  

Maybe Whit is tired of revolving door OCs

OCs either suck and are fired or are successful and move to a head couch job at an inferior school. It’s tough to ever develop and long-term relationship with an OC. Whit has the experience of seeing Chow be the OC for a billion years at BYU (which is very uncommon). With a 24-yr old OC, if he is successful, he still won’t be targeted to be a HC for another decade. Even if BJ takes a few years to grow into the job, maybe Witt is thinking long term and realizing we have some great offenses down the road.

This also would lead me to believe Whit isn’t in any hurry to leave the U either or he would have pinned the OC job on a retread.

Also, I’m glad they didn’t just get some safe retread that will never get the Utes higher than 3rd place in the PAC-12 before leaving. Kudos to Whit for taking a big risk.

However, I think it’s going to take a year (or maybe 4-5 games) of BJ making mistakes before it gets better. Having two experienced OL coaches will certainly help.

by Daver321 on Feb 1, 2012 11:53 PM MST reply actions  

That is actually kind of freaky.....

Monson makes some good point for Brian.

Got me to rethink my initial reaction.

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by U of Uman on Feb 2, 2012 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Question...

If in fact Chow did think so highly of BJ, wouldn’t he have pushed for BJ to come to Hawaii as OC? Wouldn’t this move had made more sense?

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by BetterasIgetolder on Feb 2, 2012 12:08 AM MST reply actions  

Maybe Chow asked, but BJ likes Utah too much

by StarcraftLovinUte on Feb 2, 2012 12:59 PM MST up reply actions  

HMMMM We shall see... Internet rumor perhaps? WOW

Definitely a huge risk for Whitt. I kind of like it. None of the other names were very exciting.

Brian is definitely Mr. Cool when under pressure. I like that Utah is developing from within. Whitt is creating a brand, system, and culture that players like and want to stay and be a part of. Outsiders might simply continue to use Utah as a launching pad for bigger and better things. I do worry about the pressure from fans and media turning on one of their own.

Brian won a lot of huge games at Utah and should always be held in high regard for what he did as a player. There are some crazies that would want him ran out of town if the offense sputtered for a dry spell. I would just hope it never would get to the point that it did with Ludwig, etc.

It’s like the Alex Smith scenario early on in SF. Is he being put in the best situation, or one that might stifle his growth?

Also, what happens with a great recruiter and coach in Rodrick?

by UteinBrooklyn on Feb 2, 2012 12:17 AM MST reply actions  

All you people complaining about BJ's age...

Orson Welles was 25 when he made Citizen Kane.

by kadoogan on Feb 2, 2012 12:38 AM MST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Worst movie ever.

How about “Doogie Howser was an MD at 16.” That would make me feel better.

by UAEUTE on Feb 2, 2012 1:19 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

So we are to expect

A product that is incredibly dull but regarded with extremely vociferous critical praise? And at the end, we’ll be left saying ‘what the hell was that?’ Works for me.

Rosebud was the FOOTBALL.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 9:16 AM MST up reply actions  

Best post yet!!!

We all knew that BJ would be our OC at some point in the near future. Whenever you get a first time OC, there will always be growing pains. Might as well have those growing pains now than in the future.

Everyone keeps saying that BJ did a horrible job coaching our QB’s last year. Go back and watch the games. Compare Wynn’s performance during the Montana St. game and his performance in the first half of the Washington game. Huge improvement. Then look at ANY early Hays game and compare it to a later Hays game. Everyone seems to forget that Wynn was coming off a major surgery and that Hays is not that talented and that we expected bad QB play in those games. I credit BJ with the improvement with both QBs as the season went on.

Lets be honest, none of the names being rumored for the position were really that exciting. The BJ hiring IS exciting. Everyone here will be excited to see what BJ brings to the table when the season starts (or Spring Ball).

by diehardutefan on Feb 2, 2012 7:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Sounds a bit...

Domanish. Although, I’m with most of you all in support of BJ. However, I will have to eat some crow because I remember rippin’ the boogers for hiring Doman.

by Oo.ReAL.oO on Feb 2, 2012 7:42 AM MST reply actions  

After sleeping on this...

I still don’t like it. Not one bit. It takes a special skill set to be an O.C. – being an outstanding quarterback isn’t one of them; neither is being a personable guy, or a good quarterbacks coach, or even calling successful plays on the field for three drives in the Sugar Bowl.

Pac-12 programs aren’t supposed to hire “projects” as coordinators and wait patiently while they learn on the job; they hire experienced, successful coaches away from other schools. Even if Brian turns out to be a great coordinator one day, this isn’t the right move for this program at this moment.

by UU COE Alum on Feb 2, 2012 8:34 AM MST reply actions  

kilane sitake was a project

and it got us a pretty good defense. however if it was an in house guy to run the offense, brian johnson is the best choice.. A-rod got promoted as well (basically the shared o.c. duties he did with schramm)

here is to hoping our offense is better than last years 109th ranked offense.. its not that hard to run the ball to white and york, only place to go is up.

by PMARTI9 on Feb 2, 2012 9:09 AM MST up reply actions  

Big Difference

It doesn’t matter who the Defensive Coordinator is, it’s always Whittingham’s defense.

Offensively, definitely not the same scenario.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Sitake was a project and has developed into a good coordinator

But it’s always been Whittingham’s defense. Whittingham has always been the ultimate authority over the defense and was able to mentor Sitake along the way. There is no such mentor in place for Johnson.

by UU COE Alum on Feb 2, 2012 9:22 AM MST up reply actions  

maybe

a rod is still there, since he got promoted and maybe the year under chow was enough.. dude was a qb coach at 23.. we knew the day would come where johnson was gonnna be the o coordinator..

whether its the right move or the wrong move im still gonna support him as the o coordinator.. i think its a good hire.. not the best hire, but a good hire.

by PMARTI9 on Feb 2, 2012 9:29 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed re defense

But talent acquisition could improve dramatically and teh chances are if BJ dioes even a half assed job we will have some continuity at this critical position.

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by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 11:32 AM MST up reply actions  

Whittingham

I know he is loyal to those within, but this hire also probably means that he has very little coaching connections to draw from. If I am correct every coordinator job came within outside of Norm Chow which happened to fall in his lap.

That could be why he hired within.

by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 2, 2012 8:51 AM MST reply actions  

I'm in agreement with you.

Been saying it for a couple weeks.

Whit does not seem to have a lot of coaching contacts, that’s why every hire seems to have a direct link to him.

It’s a bit worrisome, especially when it causes you to have to fill a vacant RB Coach spot by moving you’re highly successful DB coach to the RB position, and replacing him with an Attorney who happened to be a GA on the staff 7 years ago.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 8:58 AM MST up reply actions  

Hill is not a great coach

Read the press release. He has coached four different positions during his relatively short tenure at Utah, and on different sides of the ball. The feeling I get is that he is not very good and they can’t find a good fit for him, but they don’t have the heart to fire him. Any success he has seen recently has been due to great talent and help from Sitake and Scalley.

by Fat Kid from The Hill on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 AM MST via mobile up reply actions  

That's true

Where Jay Hill excels is recruiting.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Special teams has been solid

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by CrimsonUte on Feb 2, 2012 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

I think it is less

. . .connections and a sincere desire to to find a guy who fits in and will stay. He wants to build a long term winner, not grab the flashiest new toy. Ask Michigan howw that Rich Rod hire worked out!

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"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 11:44 AM MST up reply actions  

Disagree

Whittingham was considered one of the hottest DCs in the entire nation and others were after him. he is now considered for every majr job opening, or many nof them, including SEC jobs. He is friends with the hittest property in College baall—Meyer. Whitt has connections.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 11:39 AM MST up reply actions  

if he has connections

He could have brought in someone with experience. I hope the hire works out but I am skeptical.

by Jeremy Mauss on Feb 2, 2012 12:25 PM MST up reply actions  

So, you hire someone else simply because you can?

That makes no sense. There are more experienced guys, but that does not mena this is not our best move now. You hire a so-so or crappy guy like Crowton whom no one here wanted because “well he’s older than BJ”?

Having a guy work in one place, get some recruiting areas down pat after years of working them, work well with you and contribute mean more than simply grabbing anyone. What if everyone interviewed was a jack ass? Why hire a guy who pisses off players so they only put out a half assed effort?

Maybe BJ will fall flat, maybe he’s the second coming of Urban Meyer, I don’t know, but I am bettingbased on my hunches on him being a good OC in the next few years and no one comes in and makes it amazing in one year, no one.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I can't help but feel.

That this is a MWC level of a move.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:00 AM MST reply actions  

Worse than MWC level move...

It’s more like a SUU Thunderbird move…

by hoyaute on Feb 2, 2012 9:02 AM MST up reply actions  

I've been thinking the same thing

You’re a Pac-12 program Utah…act like it.

by UU COE Alum on Feb 2, 2012 9:05 AM MST up reply actions  

Maybe

Time will tell, but I think Whittinghaam has one great skill besides reading oipposing offenses: taalent appraisal.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

I think this will be be a good move leaders take others to a better place and I think he is one - look at his history

by deadon500 on Feb 2, 2012 9:04 AM MST reply actions  

Where have these people been for the last month?

I don’t remember anyone hoping for Brian Johnson over the last 4 weeks. If it wasn’t a great idea a month ago, it shouldn’t be now.

by UU COE Alum on Feb 2, 2012 9:26 AM MST up reply actions  

I didn't even think it was a possibility

It’s a risky idea; we won’t know if it’s a great idea or a bad idea for probably another 2-3 years. If someone had mentioned it as a possibility, I would have said “I’d prefer someone from the NFL, but if Coach W. and Chow saw something… I trust them”

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 9:37 AM MST up reply actions  

I think some people are rolling with the punches...

…trying to look at this in the most optimistic light possible.

We probably could all learn something from them :-p

-

Me on the other hand, I’ve been punching babies in the face since I heard the news.

by Middy_U on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Bahahahaha

Babies in the face…

I knew he’d be it eventually, I just figured it’d be a couple more years. If he’s ready now, let him have it!

by StarcraftLovinUte on Feb 2, 2012 1:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Well to be fair

None of us looked at the 75 candidates. Given the trend to younger coordinators for recruiting, I think there is merit to the hire, but no one knows, not me and not you. Guys poo-pooing this have zero idea if it will be bad. There are solid reasons to do it and only one not to: inexperience. In coaching, hard effort and talent count as well. Work at film and spotting trends is the key, not 40 years a gruff exterior. Frankly I was more concerned about Chow since he had seemed ot fall off a bit lately.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 11:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Eventually Whit will have to go outside of his circle

Only I’m not really sure he can. Whit just does not seems to have many coaching contacts. We heard about supposedly 70 candidates for the job, but in all honesty, in over a month, the ONLY names we officially heard connected to the job were BJ, ARod, and Crowton.

Whit’s offensive coordinating hires have been very poor in his tenure. Ludwig never clicked, The Schramm/Roderick Co-Coordinator Experiment was a failure. Chow fell into his lap and was a success. And now after a supposed month long national search, we end up with BJ.

Not only that but we had a vacant RB Coach position. And what do we get? We move our CB Coach over to coach RB. Our CB Coach who has only done an awesome job of helping to reload depleted defensive backfields the past few years, but help to crank out NFL player after NFL player. And we replace him with a former player, who’s been a lawyer and sideline reporter the past few years? Oh where has he coached before…. let me look…. umm NOWHERE. Really there wasn’t anyone who was interested in the RB job? Really?

The one other Outside hire, Dan Finn? Yep he was a GA during Whit’s first couple years as coach.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:13 AM MST reply actions  

Maybe

But the greatest coaches have always developed their own.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 11:55 AM MST up reply actions  

Ram, I like your posts but this "can't go out of his circle" stuff is sounding like a broken record.

First off, who cares? Is KW winning? Generally I’d say his having more success than the average bear.

But aside from that, it seems naive to think that KW is some sort of coaching hermit. Of course he knows lots of other coaches out there. Good grief, he’s tapped into the Urban Meyer circle which is the hottest circle in college football these days.

It’s clear that KW simply has a different philosophy about how to build a staff. Maybe it’s what he thinks will work at Utah for one reason or another.

Yes, this hire is risky, and may go down in flames. But it’s clear that KW has the pulse of his program. He’s not going to do what is popular, but what is best. As fans, we should take some comfort in that.

Look at what UCLA has been doing. They hire the biggest names they can bribe to come to Westwood for both HC and staff. But there’s no chemistry, and also no real success in recent memory. The PAC-12 has a history of throwing money at problems, and few championships to show for it. Let’s at least give KW some credit for blazing his own path here. Maybe it ends up being a disaster, but it also might be just what Utah needs.

by fountainofute on Feb 2, 2012 1:11 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea your right....

… 4 consecutive years without any offensive playcalling consistency is nothing to worry about.

Also, I’m not the only person who’s worried about this

http://www.pacifictakes.com/2012/2/2/2766329/utah-hires-brian-johnson-as-offensive-coordinator

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 1:23 PM MST up reply actions  

What does that have to do with what I'm saying?

I think we agree more than not.

Where you and I stand apart is the notion that Kyle has no significant coaching connections. I cited Urban Meyer, who both coaches acknowledge speak on a regular basis. I’ll state again that that’s one of the hottest coaching circles to be plugged into right now, and I’m certain that’s not where KW’s circles end.

He’s brought in Ludwig, Davis, and now Finn from the outside. As for Chow? Norm had been pretty far around the block since he and Kyle were playing tiddlywinks at BYU. IMO, I’d count Chow as an outside hire.

Because Kyle doesn’t choose to fill his coaching ranks with coaches with far flung resumes doesn’t mean he doesn’t know them or couldn’t hire them if he wanted to.

We’ve all heard about the “family” atmosphere that Utah uniquely builds. Well, much of that comes from the culture that KW fosters, and some of that is effected by how he CHOOSES TO build his staff

by fountainofute on Feb 2, 2012 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

None of the guys you listed were from outside his circle

Ludwig worked with Whit at Idaho State
Davis worked with Whit at Utah
Finn was a GA under Urban and then Whit
Chow eve was a coach at BYU and then Whit

Occasionally Coaches need to network enough and build contacts that if a position opens up they can get someone who they have never worked with before to fill that position. So far Whit has not shown that he can. And 3 of his 4 OC hires have all suffered because of it.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Everyone in coaching

HIres people they know.

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"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 3:06 PM MST up reply actions  

You're speaking out of both sides of your mouth, Ram.

You says he has no circles, but then you criticize when he hires from his circles.

Okay….

by fountainofute on Feb 2, 2012 11:23 PM MST up reply actions  

No I haven't said he has no circles....

I’ve said I question he has the contacts that he would be able to make a hire from outside of the group that he has played/worked with previously, especially on the offensive side of the ball.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 3, 2012 8:07 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree, we've had poor consistency

So it is time to put someone familiar with teh program in charge.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, they were

But they obviously lacked something. I mean, just because one quality is there doesn’t maake them awesome. Ther eis more to this than mere age or success somewhere else. Ludwig was a success and fans hated him.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Ludwig was not a success

His offenses were terrible.

Also I wouldn’t exactly call Roderick and Schramm “awesome”

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 2:42 PM MST up reply actions  

Really?

So he was recruited by major schools because he sucked? According to your criteria mate, Ludwig was an off the charts success.

That’s my point, using your criteria, Ludwig was god.2007? Ludwig man, all him. And he was recruited after by who? Because of his deep experience I’d bet.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 3:05 PM MST up reply actions  

So by your logic

Why didn’t we just hire Crowton after all he’s coached at LSU, And has a national championship. He also coached at Maryland another BCS school.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Interesting.

I thought that Ludwig led an undefeated season that took Utah to the Sugar Bowl, beat Alabama, and put us at #2 in the nation to end the season. Inconsistent, yes. Terrible? That’s a tough sell when you finish at #2. Look what happened after he left.

by UAEUTE on Feb 2, 2012 8:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Gary Crowton was the Offensive Coordinator of LSU's National Championship team

And most LSU fans were thrilled when he was gone.

You can win despite a bad offensive coordinator. And Utah did just that, thanks mainly to Brian Johnson.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 3, 2012 8:08 AM MST up reply actions  

Apples and Oranges.

I’m not trying to convince anybody that Ludwig was a genius, but to say his offenses were terrible is over doing it. IMHO, the Crowton / Ludwig situations are different b/c Crowton inherited amazing talent and his career declined from year one (the Championship year) forward. LSU fans HATED him when he was finally fired. Ludwig was a mixed bag; hot and cold, inconsistently mixing brilliant ball movement with “WTF was THAT?” (I seem to recall some draw play that he ran, more than once, on critical 3rd and 13 type scenarios. Help me out here…) However, he left our program on a high note (the highest note we’ve ever had) and at least had something to do with the kids who were there. Crowton can’t say the same thing. I agree that BJ had a lot to do with that. Funny thing Ram, your comment contradicts the negative comments you’ve been making about this hire. In your own words, Brian Johnson, as a QB, compensated for an underwhelming OC and won the Sugar Bowl. But somehow you think he’s going to fail now. Let’s give him a shot to show us what he’s got.

by UAEUTE on Feb 4, 2012 2:35 AM MST up reply actions  

My Comments have never been negative about BJ Being hired.

In fact, I love the hire. We were going there in 3-5 years, so why not just do it now. I think we’re in for some rough times next year, but I love the hire.

I’m a little more worried about the process. That’s where all my concern comes from, because if this doesn’t work out, I don’t have any faith whatsoever, that Kyle can go out and bring in a good OC.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 6, 2012 8:19 AM MST up reply actions  

well, its official

so I am cautiously optimistic about this. I think Brian can and will do a great job eventually. I just think there are some growing pains ahead. Remember how the Zoobs were going crazy over the Doman hire? And then how many games in did they start calling for his head? 3? As long as we go in to this knowing that there are going to be growing pains, and we accept that, we will be ok.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Feb 2, 2012 9:19 AM MST reply actions   1 recs

Not True

Growing Pains, or transitional pains, or Pains of some sort are always going to happen when a high level position is changed such as this. There’s no way around it.

With BJ Those Growing pains may be more severe. But no matter who got the job, there was always going to be some sort of “pain”

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:31 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually I consider it a Big Picture point of view.

It’s not bright side. I just choose to look at what does this mean for the big picture. Is it really worth avoiding a couple pains here or there, or is it worth going through some pains now for an overall future improvement.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree this feels like an MWC move

And I think it’s more, that Coach Whit just doesn’t have the Coaching Contacts, than it is being a proving ground.

I just wanted to point out there there were going to be pains no matter who got the job.

But Growing Pains aren’t always a bad thing.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:47 AM MST up reply actions  

Anyone coming in would experience growing pains

Johnson at keast has personnel and system familiarity so there may be far less of that.

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"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 11:56 AM MST up reply actions  

I'm with you

We did okay last year without a proper QB, just saying ‘give it to White’ every play. I think this may cost us a win or two next year, but if everyone is right about the kind of mind that BJ has, it will pay off in years to come.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 9:39 AM MST up reply actions  

exactly.

once he has experience, he has potential to be elite. But it may take some rough patches before we get there.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

I agree that this is a step back

Part of what made the Schram/A-Rod experiment not work is that both really lacked OC experience and that there wasn’t “one guy” who should be accountable for inconsistency.
Even though Chow was apparently in his twilight years, he still had considerable OC experience and knew the ins and outs of running an offense.

I was really hoping Whittingham was going to choose a guy with OC experience. Guess we’ll have to wait and see if Whitt knows what he’s doing.

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by GambitUte on Feb 2, 2012 9:35 AM MST reply actions  

Having said that, I'm glad Whitt didn't go with another Co-OC situation

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by GambitUte on Feb 2, 2012 9:37 AM MST reply actions  

Thank God

… The Spread offense is back at Utah. I’m more excited about that than BJ getting the OC job. I think Utah moved the ball the best when he was calling his own plays in 2008. i.e. the last drives of the Oregon State Game and TCU game as well as the hurry up offense in the 1st quarter of the Sugar Bowl. I think he has the best football IQ of anyone who’s ever played at Utah.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 9:38 AM MST reply actions  

continued...

AAAAAAANND, the other PAC12 defenses are not quite as used to the spread offense as they are the Pro style offense. Maybe reintroducing the spread will keep a few defenses on their heels. Its like how Air Force was always good in the MWC because they ran the triple option and nobody else in the MWC did. It was something different that other D’s had to prepare for.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 AM MST up reply actions  

not necessarily

just because BJ played in the spread does not mean he is bringing it back fully. You will probably see more of it mixed in, but I dont htink we are going back to being a spread team.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Feb 2, 2012 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Exactly...

…because Jordan Wynn is so mobile…

Spread ain’t comin’ back people…not until Wynn gets injured anyway.

by Middy_U on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

Wilson

Is not exactly a gazelle either. We’ll be throwing the ball a lot still.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 9:44 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know, don't care

Either way Wynn put up his best stats as a spread qb. The statistic sample is a little flawed though because he only really played 2 and a half games as a pro style qb.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

Have you ever seen Jordan Wynn run?

The spread is only a threat if you actually have to spy the QB.

…and if someone other than Wynn is at QB, set your expectations for 8 wins at best.

by Middy_U on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Spread doesn’t mean option. You can run the spread without the QB running.

by Daver321 on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

BJ himself hardly ran at all (due to knee injuries) his 08 season in the spread offense.

by Daver321 on Feb 2, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

We are not going back to a Full Spread

Just look at our recruiting class. All that beef we just brought in. Yea that’s Pro-Style beef.

It may not be 100% Pro-Style, and will probably be a mixture, but the full Spread is not coming back to Utah.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 AM MST up reply actions  

exactly.

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by BigBenSportsGuy on Feb 2, 2012 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Don't be so sure.

“(Johnson) also has extensive knowledge of the spread offense, a scheme the Utes have indicated they might return to in 2012,” Lya Wodraska of the Salt Lake Tribune wrote.

Maybe not full spread, but I bet more spread than pro.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

Because Lya is the best source of info.

It may start out more spread than pro, but it will definitely be mixed, and will trend toward more pro than spread as the season goes on.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I hope the run everything in the book

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"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Not to be rude...

…but who among our QB’s is a running threat? Where are you getting the idea that with our personnel that running the Spread is even an option?

by Middy_U on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

Really?

Have you seen Chase Hansen or Travis Wilson play? Chase Hansen is a better running threat than Travis Wilson but they both run the ball pretty well (taken with a grain of salt, its high school football).

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 9:52 AM MST up reply actions  

Sodium poisoning...

…is what you’d get if you’re taking it with enough grains of salt to believe a true freshman can come in and QB us to a successful season in the Pac-12.

This ain’t the MWC where the teams you’re playing are easier than the practice squad.

by Middy_U on Feb 2, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

This new recruiting class looks like it was brought in to run a pro style offense rather than the spread..

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by uteowl on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Isn't Hansen a running threat?

I could see him getting a couple 4th and short snaps (a la Tebow’s freshman year),

by hoyaute on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Spread misconceptions

Many are still confused on what the Spread is.
- You don’t have to have a QB running to run the spread.
- You can still have a downhill running game behind big O-linemen in a spread.

The main differences are 1) less fullbacks and more receivers and 2) shotgun formation. That doesn’t really have anything to do with QB mobility or size of O-line.

by Daver321 on Feb 2, 2012 10:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

Don’t be too quick to assume this means a switch back to the spread. Whittingham wanted the downhill running game that comes with a pro-style offense, and I don’t see him abandoning that anytime soon. We’re bulking up on the O-line (less mobile, not spread-ideal) and of the four quarterbacks who will be in the system next year, only one could possibly pull off the spread, and he will be going on an LDS mission at the end of the year.

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by CrimsonUte on Feb 2, 2012 9:43 AM MST up reply actions  

Whit has been building to a pro-style offense for a few years.

The big issue was he was planning an MWC pro-style, so we didn’t necessarily have teh Pac-12 beef necessary. He started remedying that yesterday.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 AM MST up reply actions  

why

I just don’t understand why Whit would even want to go to the pro style in the first place when everyone else in the pac12 runs the same offense. Its like saying “since y’all are already used to defending this kind of offense we’ll run it too and see if we can be better at it than you.” Why not run an offense these teams aren’t used to defending.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 9:55 AM MST up reply actions  

not everyone else runs pro style offense

Oregon? a number of the new coaches are spread oriented.

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by uteowl on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 AM MST up reply actions  

Yeah...

And Oregon has had a ton of success with that. Of all the PAC12 teams Chip Kelley runs a high octane spread-like offense which the PAC12 Dlines are too “beefed” up to keep with.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 AM MST up reply actions  

New style

Maybe we are going to spread pro style offense. It makes sense, but BJ isn’t a pro style guy.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Agree

Whit may like a yonger guy he can order to run it more with.

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"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:01 PM MST up reply actions  

This is the craziest crap I have ever heard.

The more I try to process it, the more shocked I become. It could totally work. Or it could flame out in spectacular fashion. Whittingham must know something about the kid that I don’t. I don’t know, this just seems incredibly, completely rash.

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by CrimsonUte on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 AM MST reply actions  

To those who see this as a bad idea

Relax and give him a chance… Obviously our coach knows far more than you do otherwise you would be our coach! Stop being so overly negative towards this move. You all wanted him out of the QB spot at the beginning of his career then praised him during the 08 season! give him a chance he will do big things.

by Randonute on Feb 2, 2012 9:42 AM MST reply actions  

A Rod

A Rod received a promotion as did Sitake

by Randonute on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 AM MST up reply actions  

I think so

I think A Rod has a great deal of respect for BJ. I think with the promotion it wasnt just a slap to the face. And I am sure that Whit has done his damage control prior to the release of this information.

by Randonute on Feb 2, 2012 9:54 AM MST up reply actions  

Money talks

I’m assuming he got a good bump in salary which is compensated by BJ making probably less than most OCs.

by Daver321 on Feb 2, 2012 10:03 AM MST up reply actions  

There is a difference between questioning the hiring

And not giving the guy a chance.

Just because we question the move, or other aspects of what it means, doesn’t mean we’re not giving him a chance.

I seriously doubt anyone on here is being Comrade Crimson vs Larry K toward this hire, but it is a questionable, risky move that does open for criticism.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 AM MST up reply actions  

True

Good call.. I just keep seeing everyone saying how bad of an idea this is.

by Randonute on Feb 2, 2012 9:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't know if it's a bad idea

But it’s a risky idea, and one that opens up Whit to criticism.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 9:56 AM MST up reply actions  

+1

…and to do it just before a season where we have tremendous potential.

This (2012) season is one where we should, IMO, finish no worse than 9-3 with the personnel we’re bringing back. We have the potential to get to a BCS bowl, even with 1-2 losses.

We just filled the holes on the O-line, have a 4 start JC RB to compliment Blanco, got a huge DT to plug the middle with Star…

…and we’re now experimenting with the Offensive Coordinator? Mind boggling!

by Middy_U on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

It is risky.. but for some reason I have a feeling this is going to launch us into the pac 12 elite.. call me crazy but it is a feeling… I guess the game that will tell us what we need to know will be the USC game..

by Randonute on Feb 2, 2012 10:09 AM MST up reply actions  

I haven't seen this

As the BCS year. I think we’ve got players who still need seasoning and another round of getting a good look at our new slate of opponents. I see this as another 8 win year, with 10 as the ceiling and 6 as the floor.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 10:12 AM MST up reply actions  

The offense has sucked for a few yars

He had to do something, I wa salready criticizing him for the co-OC move.

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"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Excitement for this coming season just dropped!!!

Wow…I thought we were joining the big boys, then this happens?! I love BJ but holy crap going from Chow to BJ at the helm is a serious step back. I think we just pushed our learning curve in the PAC 12 back 2 years.

Sheesh!!!

by UteCanuck on Feb 2, 2012 9:48 AM MST reply actions  

BJ was already at the helm once before

He called his own plays on multiple occasions in 08.

by uteswim1988 on Feb 2, 2012 10:25 AM MST up reply actions  

Repost of my SLTrib comment...

BJ as OC? With 70 other candidates? I was hoping that our admission to the PAC 12 would have brought forth some extremely qualified candidates with proven track records. I guess not.

Others posting here have expressed faith in Coach W’s decision based on his overall success in putting together his coaching staff. For the most part I concur, albeit with one exception and that being the OC role. With the exception of Chow I’m not comfortable with what has happened over the years with OC.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know – how do you argue with success? I’m no football guru. I didn’t play the game. I’m just a fan so I have no football reasoning for how I feel. It’s just an uneasy feeling I’ve had with our offense since Coach W’s start.

lived in Oregon and knew Ludwig’s tarnished reputation when he was named the OC. I tried giving him the benefit of the doubt but was among the first calling for his head. Thank goodness BJ was the QB during that time and was able to pull chestnuts out of the fire. It’s been a roller coaster ride ever since.

I find myself agreeing with many others in that, while I am excited for BJ and wish him (and the Utes) only the best, this move may be a couple of years premature. Hopefully he will prove us naysayers wrong.

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by uteowl on Feb 2, 2012 9:50 AM MST reply actions  

ok I will try to please you 2004 2005-2006-2007-2008 -2009? -2010-2011. to me thats 7-8 years learning a job at the same co. so to speak . how long did it take you to learn a task at a job -- give him a break thanks

by deadon500 on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 AM MST reply actions  

There is a difference between playing the QB position

And being the Offensive Coordinator. For proof just look at the OC who just left. Widely considered the best Offensive Coordinator in College. And Look at his College QB Career.

Oh Wait he was an OL. Just because BJ was a successful College QB doesn’t automatically mean it translates to OC. Also that doesn’t mean that in 2004, when he was playing he was necessarily even thinking about being an Offensive Coordinator. In fact considering that in 2009 he was busy trying to get an NFL job, it wouldn’t be a stretch to say he may not have really been considering being an OC then.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 10:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Not anymore

Chow was widely considered ot have at one time been one of the best, maybe the best. Lately he was not getting any huge offers. Hawaii is not considered a plum assignment. Contrast with Whittingham getting offered at Tennessee. Not everyone out there buys the Sports Illutrated hyperbole about Chow. Ther eis a point where the game passes them by and I think that happened at UCLA.

Consider this: maybe the only thing good about or offense was BJ and Coaach W let Chow know it.

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by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

“You would be surprised at the names that have thrown their hat in the ring as far as showing interest or flat out wanting the job.”

-Kyle Whittingham

Not as surprised as when we heard the actual hire.

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by CrimsonUte on Feb 2, 2012 10:20 AM MST reply actions  

Personally

I think the above quote, and the 70 applicants quote was all just coach speak.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 10:33 AM MST up reply actions   1 recs

70 applicants testify to the fact that he had no connections

Heh

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Okay so show me some actual fact of those applicants?

Because outside of baseless fan speculation, we only know for a fact of 3 applicants. BJ, ARod, and Crowton.

If there really were that many applicants, and really were that many interviews done over the past month, especially interviews done outside the program, I find it really really hard to believe, that in this day and age, where nothing stays quiet, that we would have gone so long without any information.

Technically Whit never said 70 people. I believe that was actually Lya. The only quote in regards to number of people from Whit was the one Crimson posted.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 1:26 PM MST up reply actions  

So Whittingham said you'd be amazed

At the quality of the people aapplying, and instead this a testimony to how poor his connections are?

Heh.

Which way you want to look on this?

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 1:44 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

So you believe everything Whit says.

Because the names quality of people that we actually KNOW applied were Crowton, Roderick, and BJ

Not really amazing me.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 2:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Oh and we also now know

That Whittingham feels that of all those amazing people, Roderick and Johnson were the best two candidates (His words just now during the pressser)

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 2:31 PM MST up reply actions  

The more you expand your argumeent

The better it gets. No, really.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 2:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Hey If Roderick adn BJ Amaze you

That’s good for you. Apparently your standards are a bit lower than mine.

by UnHoly Ram on Feb 2, 2012 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

So Whit is lying?

Come on. You can criticize his judgement of picking BJ but claiming that Whit is a liar and there weren’t 70 people applying for the job is a bit Area 54/In search of Sasquatch loony.

Whit said most of those that applied weren’t a good fit and he ended up interviewing about 10 of those 70 and choose BJ. Seems like a reasonable thing to believe.

Oh btw, Whit did say 70. He said it again today (I think the exact quote was 60-70)

by Daver321 on Feb 2, 2012 3:58 PM MST up reply actions  

sorry to to put a dumb idea that this will work nevermind but if it does work we will know sooner than later

by deadon500 on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 AM MST reply actions  

I think a lot of people

Are hopeful or at least curious to see what he can do. You aren’t alone.

by Joseph Silverzweig on Feb 2, 2012 10:49 AM MST up reply actions  

I definitely agree. Whitt, Brian and any other person that Whitt consulted deserves our trust and confidence. I trust Kyle Whittingham (period). I also went to high school with Roderick and I know he’s a team player and he is not about himself.

by IAMAUTAHMAN! on Feb 2, 2012 11:26 AM MST up reply actions  

Good points. Remember though...

Questioning this move while rooting for BJ and Kyle to succeed are not mutually exclusive. Debating the coach’s moves and trusting the coach are not mutually exclusive either. Talking about this stuff is why we’re all here. No one can argue that this move is at least surprising, if not completely shocking. Call this move what you will…calculated, bold, gutsy, risky; it’s questionable to be sure. Has a 24 year old with no experience ever been given control of the offense at a major college football program? It’s previously unheard of. I haven’t seen anyone here questioning their support of the program or of Whittingham – just questioning whether or not this was the best possible move – which is fair.

by UU COE Alum on Feb 2, 2012 11:45 AM MST up reply actions  

Agreed but for now?

He is a Utah man.

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:33 PM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely.

I agree. And you seem to be approaching it with much more rationale than some. When the rumor first popped I was confused and excited and confused again. Anybody in their right mind would question any hire. Even some of the hottest names you have to ask “Well if he’s so great, then why didn’t ______ want to keep him?” It’s way too early to throw Whit and BJ under the bus and it feels like it’s happening a lot already. I’m hoping in the next few days one of the local talking sports heads puts together an interview with BJ so we can hear his plans.

by UAEUTE on Feb 2, 2012 8:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Intangibles

He haz it

"Gentlemen, it is better to have died as a small boy than to fumble this football."--John Heisman

"I'm not upset about the U allegations," tweeted Cleveland Indians closer Chris Perez, who pitched at Miami. "I'm mad we didn't win anything while we were cheating."

by Aardvark on Feb 2, 2012 12:45 PM MST reply actions  

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